New PB- Still no 13s tho :-(
10-10-2007, 11:29 PM
#1
New PB- Still no 13s tho :-(
8 runs total FTW! High 70s temp. Moroso Motorsports Park- Jupiter, Florida.
- Only weight savings was no spare. I had 1/2 tank of gas and full trimed.
- Slicks were on 16psi (yea I know, too high, gonna drop them for the next time)
- I dumped the clutch on all runs.
#1, from 4000, bogged nasty (first time at this track on slicks, give me a break
), plus a one-wheeled burnout FTL
R/T= .392
60ft= 2.30
1/8= 9.58@75.4
1/4= 14.69@94.3
#2, from 4500, still bogged, but less
R/T= .375
60ft= 2.15
1/8= 9.2@76.7
1/4= 14.3@96.7
#3, from 5000, did a much better burn out, still boged
R/T= .496
60ft= 2.06
1/8= 9.2@76.5
1/4= 14.3@95.8
#4, from 5000, FELT better, but no cookie, LOL
R/T= .235
60ft= 2.04
1/8= 9.2@76.3
1/4= 14.3@95.7
#5, from 5500, STILL bogging
R/T= .000 --> YEEEEEA BOI!!!!
60ft= 2.10
1/8= 9.2@76.7
1/4= 14.28@96.3
#6, Same as previous
R/T= .196 (w00h00!!!)
60ft= 2.09
1/8= 9.2@76.7
1/4= 14.27@95.9
#7, Same as previous
R/T= .195
60ft= 2.02
1/8= 9.08@77.5
1/4= 14.12@96.2
#8, Same as Previous
R/T= .015
60ft= 2.05
1/8= 9.1@77.1
1/4= 14.19@96.7
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The problem Im having is that when I dump the clutch, I dont go 100% throttle fast enough, so although the car jumps forward and all, the slicks catch and RPMs fall into 3500 (my LOWEST POINT of power, refer to http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=536413)- the bogging I experienced in ALL the runs, got better launchin higher, but still would drop down. I need to find a way, either dump the clutch from redline or slipping it to keep the RPMs up there. Of course the other way is through the EU once I get it, to advance the living out of my timing (thats the dead spot of ign timing on the 3.0 ECU). Dropping into that dead spot is what was hurting me the most during these runs.
On the brighter side of things, I set new PBs, I achieved a PERFECT .000 reaction time, I got my 60ft down to a CONSISTANT 2.0, and also my ET dropped from 14.5 from the last time to 14.1.
13s are so close!!! and full trimed too!
Videos are coming tomorrow or Friday. Need to edit them cus they are HUGE files. Streetz might make me a sort of video documentary of the runs back to back, so it'll be worth the wait.
WEEEEEEEEEEEERD!!!! so close to 13s (full trimmed) I can smell them!!!! lol
- Only weight savings was no spare. I had 1/2 tank of gas and full trimed.
- Slicks were on 16psi (yea I know, too high, gonna drop them for the next time)
- I dumped the clutch on all runs.
#1, from 4000, bogged nasty (first time at this track on slicks, give me a break
), plus a one-wheeled burnout FTLR/T= .392
60ft= 2.30
1/8= 9.58@75.4
1/4= 14.69@94.3
#2, from 4500, still bogged, but less
R/T= .375
60ft= 2.15
1/8= 9.2@76.7
1/4= 14.3@96.7
#3, from 5000, did a much better burn out, still boged
R/T= .496
60ft= 2.06
1/8= 9.2@76.5
1/4= 14.3@95.8
#4, from 5000, FELT better, but no cookie, LOL
R/T= .235
60ft= 2.04
1/8= 9.2@76.3
1/4= 14.3@95.7
#5, from 5500, STILL bogging
R/T= .000 --> YEEEEEA BOI!!!!
60ft= 2.10
1/8= 9.2@76.7
1/4= 14.28@96.3
#6, Same as previous
R/T= .196 (w00h00!!!)
60ft= 2.09
1/8= 9.2@76.7
1/4= 14.27@95.9
#7, Same as previous
R/T= .195
60ft= 2.02
1/8= 9.08@77.5
1/4= 14.12@96.2
#8, Same as Previous
R/T= .015
60ft= 2.05
1/8= 9.1@77.1
1/4= 14.19@96.7
********************************
The problem Im having is that when I dump the clutch, I dont go 100% throttle fast enough, so although the car jumps forward and all, the slicks catch and RPMs fall into 3500 (my LOWEST POINT of power, refer to http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=536413)- the bogging I experienced in ALL the runs, got better launchin higher, but still would drop down. I need to find a way, either dump the clutch from redline or slipping it to keep the RPMs up there. Of course the other way is through the EU once I get it, to advance the living out of my timing (thats the dead spot of ign timing on the 3.0 ECU). Dropping into that dead spot is what was hurting me the most during these runs.
On the brighter side of things, I set new PBs, I achieved a PERFECT .000 reaction time, I got my 60ft down to a CONSISTANT 2.0, and also my ET dropped from 14.5 from the last time to 14.1.
13s are so close!!! and full trimed too!
Videos are coming tomorrow or Friday. Need to edit them cus they are HUGE files. Streetz might make me a sort of video documentary of the runs back to back, so it'll be worth the wait.
WEEEEEEEEEEEERD!!!! so close to 13s (full trimmed) I can smell them!!!! lol
10-11-2007, 12:18 AM
#2
Nice times man, there going in the right direction!!! Dont you wish you had an EU with 2step lol. If your on slicks dumping from near redline shouldnt give you traction issues..this is of course assuming your drivetrain can take the shock.
10-11-2007, 05:45 AM
#3
Nice night mang, my uber leaking 3.5 did pretty good as well. I'll bring the suby next time to go down with STREETZ!!!!
If you could slip that clutch a bit more I predict 1.9's man. Nice R/T FTW!
If you could slip that clutch a bit more I predict 1.9's man. Nice R/T FTW!
10-11-2007, 07:39 AM
#7
Good show! you're getting closer to those 13s - now if you had a VLSD automatic and Shift_Fast, you'd already be there!
Heh.
What's up with your trap MPH? What gear/RPMs are you at when going through the lights???
.
Heh.
What's up with your trap MPH? What gear/RPMs are you at when going through the lights???
.
Last edited by grey99max; 10-11-2007 at 08:07 AM.
10-11-2007, 08:57 AM
#9
96blkonblkse- So far the tranny took it like a breeze *knock on wood*, And honestly I think I could take more advantage of adding timing to the midrange to boost that power (3500 Im currently around 17-18*, I'd like to have it around 24*) so at least I wont fall into a dead spot. That alone would have me in the 13s (This will be evident on the videos once they are up). Thanks!!! So close to 13s!!
GoalieKeg- Yea man I tried to slip the clutch for that last run but its like, when the slicks grabbed I got jerked back and further off the clutch, so I still ended up dumping it, lol. But yea man your car finally set better #s!!!! Now fix that leak and go for it! (might want to upgrade that clutch as well. that 5thgen clutch doesnt seem to like hot lapping at the track much, lol. My clutch didnt slip at all that night- and even when I let streetz drive it back to Miami, lol)
t6378tp- LOL! Honestly I suspect if I let gtr_rider drive my car he can make that 13 happen, but whats the fun in that if Im not the one doing it?
Cardana24- http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=536413 Mods are= VQ35, No Midpipe'd Intake, 3" MAF, PF TB, SSIM, HS knock-off headers on custom equal-length ypipe, WSP test pipe and catback, UDP, 16v Ignition system, SAFC1 tuned. Only tuning is on a/f, I need an EU to really tune that ignition, thats my bottle neck right now. For some reason, even after all my MAF conditioning, Im still not running any more than 24* timing advance at redline, which is the same as stock 3.0 ECU timing! Hey look at this just to compare my best 3.0 vs my last 3.5 dyno (pior to ubber short intake and headers) http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=540899 . It really shows that dip in power at 3500, its exactly 3.0 #s!!!!! And when dumping from 5500 thats exactly where my rpms would bog down to when the slicks caught (from me not going hard enough on the gas to prevent this from taking place)
DandyMax- Yes! Im getting there! And the thing is Im determined to get there on full trim. I know it can do it, I just have to keep trying. ONCE it gets there on full trim (dont care if I get there with 13.9999), THEN I'll start doing weight savings and aiming for those mid/low 13s. But this chase is fun!
grey99max- Im actually crossing the line a few seconds into 4th gear. I think its the slicks. running them at low pressure I'd assume would make the overall diameter smaller, and thus negatively affect my trap speed. Thats why Im not so concerned about them.
gtr_rider- I know you can do it, but there no fun to ME on that. However if you break my tranny I can sue j00 for an 01 AE j/k lol
GoalieKeg- Yea man I tried to slip the clutch for that last run but its like, when the slicks grabbed I got jerked back and further off the clutch, so I still ended up dumping it, lol. But yea man your car finally set better #s!!!! Now fix that leak and go for it! (might want to upgrade that clutch as well. that 5thgen clutch doesnt seem to like hot lapping at the track much, lol. My clutch didnt slip at all that night- and even when I let streetz drive it back to Miami, lol)
t6378tp- LOL! Honestly I suspect if I let gtr_rider drive my car he can make that 13 happen, but whats the fun in that if Im not the one doing it?
Cardana24- http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=536413 Mods are= VQ35, No Midpipe'd Intake, 3" MAF, PF TB, SSIM, HS knock-off headers on custom equal-length ypipe, WSP test pipe and catback, UDP, 16v Ignition system, SAFC1 tuned. Only tuning is on a/f, I need an EU to really tune that ignition, thats my bottle neck right now. For some reason, even after all my MAF conditioning, Im still not running any more than 24* timing advance at redline, which is the same as stock 3.0 ECU timing! Hey look at this just to compare my best 3.0 vs my last 3.5 dyno (pior to ubber short intake and headers) http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=540899 . It really shows that dip in power at 3500, its exactly 3.0 #s!!!!! And when dumping from 5500 thats exactly where my rpms would bog down to when the slicks caught (from me not going hard enough on the gas to prevent this from taking place)
DandyMax- Yes! Im getting there! And the thing is Im determined to get there on full trim. I know it can do it, I just have to keep trying. ONCE it gets there on full trim (dont care if I get there with 13.9999), THEN I'll start doing weight savings and aiming for those mid/low 13s. But this chase is fun!
grey99max- Im actually crossing the line a few seconds into 4th gear. I think its the slicks. running them at low pressure I'd assume would make the overall diameter smaller, and thus negatively affect my trap speed. Thats why Im not so concerned about them.
gtr_rider- I know you can do it, but there no fun to ME on that. However if you break my tranny I can sue j00 for an 01 AE
j/k lol
Last edited by 95BLKMAX; 10-11-2007 at 09:03 AM. Reason: adding info
10-11-2007, 12:17 PM
#11
You're doing a great job of chasing down the 13s - getting really close now... maybe some spray would help!
EDIT - with a 75-shot, you'd be a real 13.7-13.8 car, and have a grin to go with the slip....
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10-11-2007, 01:26 PM
#16
You two are ganging up to persuade me to use that juice!!!! Getting these impure thoughts in me head!!! LIES!!!!!!!!!!
All Motor beast baby! and then maybe later on boost, I shall not use juice (unless of course it can come across cheaply). I did almost buy your nitrous kit for the price you told me remember? LOL
All Motor beast baby! and then maybe later on boost, I shall not use juice (unless of course it can come across cheaply
). I did almost buy your nitrous kit for the price you told me remember? LOL
10-11-2007, 01:42 PM
#17
You two are ganging up to persuade me to use that juice!!!! Getting these impure thoughts in me head!!! LIES!!!!!!!!!!
All Motor beast baby! and then maybe later on boost, I shall not use juice (unless of course it can come across cheaply). I did almost buy your nitrous kit for the price you told me remember? LOL
All Motor beast baby! and then maybe later on boost, I shall not use juice (unless of course it can come across cheaply
). I did almost buy your nitrous kit for the price you told me remember? LOLKinda like Dr. Jeykl and Mr. Hyde - two personalities.... two slips... Heck, you might get hooked so badly that you'll want to turbo it as well as spray it.
My job here is done. Heh.
Last edited by grey99max; 10-11-2007 at 01:45 PM.
10-11-2007, 01:56 PM
#18
Moroso track prep is some of the worst I've ever experienced. But it's not 100% of your problem. Just keep practicing your launch. You'll start seeing sub2.0 60 foots pretty easily, even with poor track conditions.
10-11-2007, 01:57 PM
#19
Streetz, we've almost got him hooked!! Now think about this - and getting into the 13s while N/A is a noble goal to have - it would make you feel dandy - but how would you like to knock off 1/2 (75-shot) or an entire second off what you just ran (150-shot) ?? Just to say you did it ?? Maybe more - a sprayed 3.5 is a beast uncaged...
Kinda like Dr. Jeykl and Mr. Hyde - two personalities.... two slips... Heck, you might get hooked so badly that you'll want to turbo it as well as spray it.
My job here is done. Heh.
Kinda like Dr. Jeykl and Mr. Hyde - two personalities.... two slips... Heck, you might get hooked so badly that you'll want to turbo it as well as spray it.
My job here is done. Heh.
13 second All motor FULL TRIM is the objective here. Once that is achieved, Im still gonna do more NA as you are aware... just internally. THAT will uncork some serious power. Im shooting for at LEAST 270whp before doing anything else ontop of the motor, be it boost or juice, or most likely... both :-X
Perhaps I should start looking at 6spd stuff :-X. NISMOLOGY! you're 6spd stash of parts is just sitting there catchin dust, let me put it to some good use!!! :-D
10-11-2007, 02:02 PM
#20
If you say their track prep sucks, I'll believe you, you've had track experience coast to coast, lol. But at least bet'n Moroso and the mickey mouse 1/8mi track that we have in Miami... Moroso beats it hands down. So thats what I have to work with, lol.
Streetz is hard at work editing videos! Videos coming in hawt!
10-11-2007, 02:10 PM
#21
LIIIIIIIIIIIIIES!!!!!!
13 second All motor FULL TRIM is the objective here. Once that is achieved, Im still gonna do more NA as you are aware... just internally. THAT will uncork some serious power. Im shooting for at LEAST 270whp before doing anything else ontop of the motor, be it boost or juice, or most likely... both :-X
Perhaps I should start looking at 6spd stuff :-X. NISMOLOGY! you're 6spd stash of parts is just sitting there catchin dust, let me put it to some good use!!! :-D
13 second All motor FULL TRIM is the objective here. Once that is achieved, Im still gonna do more NA as you are aware... just internally. THAT will uncork some serious power. Im shooting for at LEAST 270whp before doing anything else ontop of the motor, be it boost or juice, or most likely... both :-X
Perhaps I should start looking at 6spd stuff :-X. NISMOLOGY! you're 6spd stash of parts is just sitting there catchin dust, let me put it to some good use!!! :-D
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2618056
The tail end of this thread.... "kevin007" is his login handle. LOOK at that intake mainfold in his CarDomain site. Dang... I gotta get one of those..
Last edited by grey99max; 10-11-2007 at 02:12 PM.
10-11-2007, 02:22 PM
#22
Some people have the money to burn, lol. Its a nice car, very clean. But really that Kinetix IM is mostly cosmetics. As far as its effects on the powrband, an SSIM does along the same lines. Take power from midrange, move it to the top and hold it w/o dropping.
Kinetix= $700+
SSIM= You already have all the tools you need, so maybe just a few cuts and scrapes, lol
Kinetix= $700+
SSIM= You already have all the tools you need, so maybe just a few cuts and scrapes, lol
10-11-2007, 02:33 PM
#24
why do some people bog? is it just learning how to launch with slicks and the condition of the track ? i just dont recall every bogging on a launch and was curious as to why this happens to some people ?
also even in regards to wheelhop, i recall maybe 4 years ago having this happen once but 98 percent of the time i never experience it ?
nice runs for sure ! get that 13 !!
also even in regards to wheelhop, i recall maybe 4 years ago having this happen once but 98 percent of the time i never experience it ?
nice runs for sure ! get that 13 !!
10-11-2007, 02:37 PM
#25
10-11-2007, 02:41 PM
#26
ceasar!!!!! Im getting there boss, lol.
I bog because from wat I think, you know to hold an RPM u dont NEED to really be at WOT for it, for 5500 I'd say maybe 13% thorttle and you're up there. But of course I DUMPED my clutch, which is an instant grab, and I dont think I was able to go WOT with my foot fast enough. Thus, the slicks caught and car yolted forward, but because I was still going into 100%, it allows them time to catch, and thats when the car bogs and RPMs drop from 5500 to 3500.
Perhaps if I slipped it fast, or simply floored it as I dumped the clutch (again, all in the technique), the bogging would not take place.
practice practice practice
I bog because from wat I think, you know to hold an RPM u dont NEED to really be at WOT for it, for 5500 I'd say maybe 13% thorttle and you're up there. But of course I DUMPED my clutch, which is an instant grab, and I dont think I was able to go WOT with my foot fast enough. Thus, the slicks caught and car yolted forward, but because I was still going into 100%, it allows them time to catch, and thats when the car bogs and RPMs drop from 5500 to 3500.
Perhaps if I slipped it fast, or simply floored it as I dumped the clutch (again, all in the technique), the bogging would not take place.
practice practice practice
10-11-2007, 02:47 PM
#27
According to your explanation, a 2step will be PERFECT!!. Why dont you buy an MSD 2step launch control thingy, its about $40something. you dont have to wait till you have a EU, and we can probably wire it up within minutes. DO IT!!!!
10-11-2007, 03:00 PM
#29
Yea that night was pretty weird. I kept launchin on GTs like nothing the whole nite!@ street or slicks, I'd just hop on them (then SOME would reel me in down the track, while others couldnt catch the VQ :-X lol). I got some thumbs up from them for it.
If you say their track prep sucks, I'll believe you, you've had track experience coast to coast, lol. But at least bet'n Moroso and the mickey mouse 1/8mi track that we have in Miami... Moroso beats it hands down. So thats what I have to work with, lol.
Streetz is hard at work editing videos! Videos coming in hawt!
If you say their track prep sucks, I'll believe you, you've had track experience coast to coast, lol. But at least bet'n Moroso and the mickey mouse 1/8mi track that we have in Miami... Moroso beats it hands down. So thats what I have to work with, lol.
Streetz is hard at work editing videos! Videos coming in hawt!
Just keep trying Moroso. With slicks and a good launch, you will be getting 1.9s soon. With my automatic, it's a lot easier for me to learn with slicks. I just mash the gas to the floor and hope the slicks hold. If they don't, I make them hold by altering my suspension, lowering tire pressure, or reducing power. I have never had to worry about reducing power out of the hole until I got nitrous. I may try launching with the 50 shot at first to get that launch down. If everything seems ok, then I'll ATTEMPT to launch with the 75 shot. My track visits this Fall/Winter will be pretty dang interesting!
10-12-2007, 09:33 AM
#31
10-12-2007, 01:59 PM
#33
Unfortunately I haven't really followed the "story" of your car, 95BLKMAX, but could you possibly explain some of your car's setup to me? Is it available online anywhere? I ask because, and nothing against you (you're clearly learning and I certainly can't do any better, check my 1/4 mile thread), it just seems like you could/should be going a lot faster with a 3.5 swapped 4th gen. I'm not dissing you at all, it is pure curiosity. Are you tuned? SSIM? I see you're running full street weight. Given your traps, it explains the higher ETs to a degree, but why are the traps the way they are also?
Just trying to think of a way to ask this stuff and not come across as an ass
Just trying to think of a way to ask this stuff and not come across as an ass
10-12-2007, 03:24 PM
#34
Unfortunately I haven't really followed the "story" of your car, 95BLKMAX, but could you possibly explain some of your car's setup to me? Is it available online anywhere? I ask because, and nothing against you (you're clearly learning and I certainly can't do any better, check my 1/4 mile thread), it just seems like you could/should be going a lot faster with a 3.5 swapped 4th gen. I'm not dissing you at all, it is pure curiosity. Are you tuned? SSIM? I see you're running full street weight. Given your traps, it explains the higher ETs to a degree, but why are the traps the way they are also?
Just trying to think of a way to ask this stuff and not come across as an ass
Just trying to think of a way to ask this stuff and not come across as an ass
95blkmax story? here you go http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=540899
his tuned, SSIM (secret sauce intake manifold) = basically a modified intake manifold to improve top end, but you remove alot from mid rage as you will see in his dyno, which is also the reason when he is launching, that he gets a bit of bog because when clutch catches rpms drop right to where his lowest HP is at. his also in full street weight as well.
10-12-2007, 08:37 PM
#35
you an ***!! lol jk
95blkmax story? here you go http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=540899
his tuned, SSIM (secret sauce intake manifold) = basically a modified intake manifold to improve top end, but you remove alot from mid rage as you will see in his dyno, which is also the reason when he is launching, that he gets a bit of bog because when clutch catches rpms drop right to where his lowest HP is at. his also in full street weight as well.
95blkmax story? here you go http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=540899
his tuned, SSIM (secret sauce intake manifold) = basically a modified intake manifold to improve top end, but you remove alot from mid rage as you will see in his dyno, which is also the reason when he is launching, that he gets a bit of bog because when clutch catches rpms drop right to where his lowest HP is at. his also in full street weight as well.
jk I pretty much knew all that/read it before in this thread except the thread you linked me to. But basically what it boils down to, you're saying, is the stubbornness of the driver (no weight reduction? come on! jk), a bad track, and perhaps the need for a little bit of practice? I know I need practice, the driver is the worst part of my car 
10-12-2007, 09:36 PM
#36
[QUOTE=Tatanko;6001921] But basically what it boils down to, you're saying, is the stubbornness of the driver (no weight reduction? come on! jk), a bad track, and perhaps the need for a little bit of practice? I know I need practice, the driver is the worst part of my car [/Q
No offense taken at all,
lol. Yes, I am DETERMINED (yea you could say stoburn, lol) to get into 13s no matter what on full street trim. Yes of course I could have done weight savings and been in 13s already, but I have plenty enough power to get there w/o doing that. ONCE I get into 13s full trimmed, THEN I'll go ahead and do weight savings and shoot for better #s.
Yes according to Aaron, Moroso is a pretty crappy track as far as prep-work goes. But really thats all I have available to me within a reasonable driving distance (Moroso itself is already a 1.5hrs drive away from me, 102mi).
And I agree, it is mostly a driver needing practice, lol. If I could slip that sticky *** clutch just enough so the rpms dont drop into my dead spot, I know I can do 13s. I know Im not the best of drivers around but hey its a learning game. The more you do it, the better you get at it. Last year getting 2.3 60ft's were pure flukes for me, lol. Now, on my 1st time out at this track with the slicks, I started doing multiple 2.0 60' passes, considering it was full-trimmed this is damn good, lol
Umm, did anybody that watched the video not notice the cool shotgun sound of when I dump the clutch??? I wonder if my tranny is appreciating that sort of shock :-X
[/QNo offense taken at all,
lol. Yes, I am DETERMINED (yea you could say stoburn, lol) to get into 13s no matter what on full street trim. Yes of course I could have done weight savings and been in 13s already, but I have plenty enough power to get there w/o doing that. ONCE I get into 13s full trimmed, THEN I'll go ahead and do weight savings and shoot for better #s.Yes according to Aaron, Moroso is a pretty crappy track as far as prep-work goes. But really thats all I have available to me within a reasonable driving distance (Moroso itself is already a 1.5hrs drive away from me, 102mi).
And I agree, it is mostly a driver needing practice, lol. If I could slip that sticky *** clutch just enough so the rpms dont drop into my dead spot, I know I can do 13s. I know Im not the best of drivers around but hey its a learning game. The more you do it, the better you get at it. Last year getting 2.3 60ft's were pure flukes for me, lol. Now, on my 1st time out at this track with the slicks, I started doing multiple 2.0 60' passes, considering it was full-trimmed this is damn good, lol
Umm, did anybody that watched the video not notice the cool shotgun sound of when I dump the clutch???
I wonder if my tranny is appreciating that sort of shock :-X
10-12-2007, 10:29 PM
#37
Moroso is horrible, usually. They don't prep it right most of the time, and it puts the FWD cars on street tires at a HUGE disadvantage. Even when I take my suby out there, I can only achieve 1.9 60fts. It's almost like sometimes the track is too sticky, but yet at other times the launch pad is way too slick. When I ran my first two runs of the night when I went with 95BLKMAX, I hooked great. After someone spilled tranny fluid in the right lane, it was the end for me. 
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