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Think you have what it takes to best both Bob Lutz and the Cadillac CTS-V on the track? Throw your hat in the ring, and you just may get the chance to prove it.
Lutz had previously promised journalists a chance to best him and the high-performance Caddy, but the event -- billed as the CTS-V Challenge -- now is open to owners of other performance luxury sedans. One Jaguar XFR is already in the mix, but we wouldn't be surprised if owners of Mercedes-Benz's C63 or the BMW M3 may want to prove their worth.
How do you qualify? GM is making the driver selections, but you have the best chance if you're older than 21, devoid of a shoddy driving record, and own a stock, unaltered sedan within the "CTS-V competitive set." If selected, you'll head out to Monticello Motor Club in New York on October 29, and have five laps around the course.
According to GM, the car with the best lap time will be declared the winner. To quote the General's ad campaign, "May the best car win."
Which 7th gen maxima owner is going to try and get a shot at him?
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id like to see this happen, i think its a great way fot GM to prove that the cts-v can hold its own...and like mentioned to have average everday car owners compete is just great...we all know what expert drivers can do...they do what we all can dream of which is push a high performance car beyond its limits.
The average semi skilled driver getting a chance to show his skills and car off on a legit track sounds like fun.
to add a lil twist maybe they can have the driver run their car, and then eun a cts-v and see if they can possibly improve their time, or perhaps speak on the pros/cons of each car.
if GM really wants to preach the let the best car win slogan...maybe they can pay off the car note of the person who can out perform the CTS-V...sort of like an incentive for the driver to really push his car hard. that would be cool.
like mentioned i def see the following cars compete
C63
M3
Lexus IS-F
maybe
RS4 (even tho thats the previous gen?)
S4 (new style even tho its seriously underpowerd)
The Jag seems like its in a larger car class doesnt it?
Chrysler 300c SRT-8 (prob only other american luxo performance car similar to the cts-v)
winner will be whatever challenger in that "class" comes STOCK with the best tires.....tires matter more than the car at the track, when the cars are fairly comparable.
So...what are the stock tires on all of the cars mentioned?
Does the criteria count cars with different wheel/tire options stock?
winner will be whatever challenger in that "class" comes STOCK with the best tires.....tires matter more than the car at the track, when the cars are fairly comparable.
So...what are the stock tires on all of the cars mentioned?
Does the criteria count cars with different wheel/tire options stock?
i was thinking that too...and im assuming the caddi would prob be brand new with a frsh set/lightly broken in tires...whereas the competitors would be bringing whatever they have, and those DD's the tires could probably be seriously disadvantaged, not to mention brakes as well.
im sure who ever is serious about doing this competition will be enough of an enthusiast to realize he might have to change pads and tires, mild tune up.
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i know its OT but....here is a Q, is GM going to do something "V" wise when it comes to the next STS, isnt that car due for a new model soon? would be nice to have somethin go against the next AMG E Class
You could put the stig in a 7th gen and still not be able to keep the cts-v in sight
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i know its OT but....here is a Q, is GM going to do something "V" wise when it comes to the next STS, isnt that car due for a new model soon? would be nice to have somethin go against the next AMG E Class
I thought the STS was getting killed off..
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You could put the stig in a 7th gen and still not be able to keep the cts-v in sight
you do know that now 7th gen owners with coil overs and intakes are going to tell you how wrong you are.
Haha! I really dig the new CTS-V. Especially the interior. The exterior is also much better looking. I hope it devalues as much as the 1st version so I can pick one up on a few years
Haha! I really dig the new CTS-V. Especially the interior. The exterior is also much better looking. I hope it devalues as much as the 1st version so I can pick one up on a few years
i know right!
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Is there any corvette's that are close power to a maxima? I saw one that didnt really seem fast it was a newer model, but not that new... I dont know any corvette models and it didnt have any badging so I couldnt tell what it was.
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Haha! I really dig the new CTS-V. Especially the interior. The exterior is also much better looking. I hope it devalues as much as the 1st version so I can pick one up on a few years
i think by having an auto that would prob keep the resale alot higher then mine.
so this was passed around the work place today....
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GM's Lutz, Caddy CTS-V take 'fastest sedan' claim to the track
10/29/2009
USA Today - Online
GM's chief Bob Lutz on Tuesday, after a practice lap in a 556-hp Cadillac CTS-V at GM's Milford Proving Ground in Michigan.
General Motors' septuagenarian marketing chief, Bob Lutz, will race a handful of high-priced, high-performance rivals at a New York track Thursday to put a fine point on GM's new slogan, "May the best car win."
Lutz will pilot a Cadillac CTS-V with a 6.2-liter, supercharged V-8 rated 556 horsepower. GM says it's a "showroom stock" — unmodified — CTS-V (base price about $63,000).
Several private owners are scheduled to put at least one Audi and a couple of BMW M Series high-performance sedans on the track, one at a time, trying to beat Lutz's time around the course.
A few auto writers also are to take a crack, in the same CTS-V as Lutz. GM professional test drivers are likely to turn a few laps, too, to ensure the Caddy has the best chance at the fastest time.
"This is all about having fun" at a dreary time in the recession-thumped auto business, Lutz, 77, says. "If I don't have the fastest lap, I'll blame it on my age."
The head-on challenge grew from Lutz's impatience with ads "that namby-pamby around. ... Why don't we just come out and say it's the world's fastest four-door production sedan," he mused, triggering a Lutz blog entry and challenges to the claim from some 120 readers.
Only a few of them had cars likely to be competitive, and they were invited to show up at the Monticello, N.Y., track today.
GM, almost unable to quit communicating in its post-Chapter 11 incarnation, says it will post real-time lap results on twitter (twitter.com/cadillac), videos on Facebook (Facebook.com/Cadillac) and final results later today in a public space at http://media.cadillac.com.
The European makers, who sell the most likely rivals to the CTS-V, have steered clear of the challenge. But not out of fear of losing, they say.
"We have no fear of comparisons by objective bodies, but it's different if the person doing the comparison has a dog in the hunt," BMW Vice President Tom Kowaleski says. He notes that GM can use results of the challenge any way it wants in marketing pitches, which should make any rival automaker wary.
The 500-hp, $89,000 BMW M5 is a direct CTS-V rival.
Audi says it got no requests from auto writers for cars.
Jaguar first offered writers use of its 510-hp supercharged XFR sedan, then had second thoughts over legal and safety issues.
Jaguar spokesman Stuart Schorr points out that he willingly participated in a direct CTS-V vs. XFR comparison under controlled conditions by Road and Track magazine. The Caddy scored higher (results at roadandtrack.com). "I already know the CTS-V is a faster car. My PR goal was just to get mentioned."
Mercedes-Benz spokesman Jeff Day says he declined to provide cars because of "how heavily the deck is stacked." GM picked the venue, Lutz has racing experience and M-B is concerned — as are other makers — that there's no way to verify GM has not modified the car.
Says Day: "I'm sure it'll be a fun day out, but I don't think it's my job to aid and abet Cadillac's marketing 101 exercise."
i think its kinda sad to be honest. its just an open track day, bmw had no issue lending a m5 to take on the cts-v there before. but once they lost they seem to have given up having a competetive bone in their body. i dunno... i wonder if the m5 would have won before would they be more willing to send a m5 there today.
This is lame, Bob must be disappointed anyone with any type of PR intelligence understood what he was trying to pull and refused his silly offer. You want to claim you have the fastest four-door production sedan pay a non-biased 3rd party to test the claims.
I just heard they are now asking for more money from the taxpayers to finance and run the "new" GM. Nice....
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No, what's silly are the lame excuses the other brands used to excuse themselves from the challenge. There's nothing GM could have done that other makers couldn't also do if they thought the CTS-V's were ringers. Oh, and GM has had 3rd party tests for the CTS-V....and it was the fastest. That might chafe with you but there are ointments you can take...
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No, what's silly are the lame excuses the other brands used to excuse themselves from the challenge. There's nothing GM could have done that other makers couldn't also do if they thought the CTS-V's were ringers. Oh, and GM has had 3rd party tests for the CTS-V....and it was the fastest. That might chafe with you but there are ointments you can take...
Just as I suspected they (GM) put John Heinricy in to battle a bunch of amateurs... Real nice GM.
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I'm just amazed that cadillac has mb and bm shaking in their boots from a performance standpoint especially considering not to long ago cadillac was normally known for making big fluffy sofa cars.
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Just as I suspected they (GM) put John Heinricy in to battle a bunch of amateurs... Real nice GM.
You suspected precisely ****.
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GM professional test drivers are likely to turn a few laps, too, to ensure the Caddy has the best chance at the fastest time.
Congrats, you can read plain English. You have the clairvoyance of a brick.... In fact Michael Cooper is far from an amateur driver but I'm sure you'll find something else to complain about.
Oh, and just to cement the point for you. Here is what M. Cooper had to say about things:
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I am he, Its been a long day. I will post up about my experiences later or tomorrow
But I will say this right off the bat, anybody that thinks the m3 should beat any time the ctsv can do on that track doesn't know anything. I got to do 2 laps in the CTSV at the end of the day and was extremely impressed.
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Congrats, you can read plain English. You have the clairvoyance of a brick.... In fact Michael Cooper is far from an amateur driver but I'm sure you'll find something else to complain about.
Oh, and just to cement the point for you. Here is what M. Cooper had to say about things:
Boy are you on the defensive... All I'm saying is if you want to create a challenge and get credibility make it fair and open to all otherwise piss off with your closed contests with GM pro drivers vs handpicked amatuers.
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Someone's got to deal with the raging fanboy. You've been on the rag since this whole thing came together. It wouldn't matter what contest, if the CTS-V wins it obviously was a fluke with you. The M3 is a 2-door which, if GM really was set on stacking the deck, wouldn't have been allowed.
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Someone's got to deal with the raging fanboy. You've been on the rag since this whole thing came together. It wouldn't matter what contest, if the CTS-V wins it obviously was a fluke with you. The M3 is a 2-door which, if GM really was set on stacking the deck, wouldn't have been allowed.
First the M3 was allowed because they knew it wasn't going to be competitive any idiot could figure out that one.
Not a fan boy you idiot and not sure what I would be a fan boy of based on my posts I never took sides with any manufacturer, I only pointed out in my original posts from weeks ago the facts about the Pro drivers versus the GM handpicked amateurs.
Fact is the CTS V can most likely hand any car in it's class it's arse that is my opinion.
I have issue with Lutz the clutz, he needs to retire and let someone else try and resurrect GM, if he thinks this so called "challenge" was going to prove to the world that this is the best four-door sedan well what can I say but FAIL...
GM - you want to show off the "V" then create a "open" challenge where the competition will show up and hopefully get their arses beat. Otherwise keep pimping your cars to the blue hairs and see where that gets you.
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Just as I suspected they (GM) put John Heinricy in to battle a bunch of amateurs... Real nice GM.
heinricy was there in case other car makes showed up and brought a pro driver. they even encuraged other makes mb, bmw, etc to bring a press vehicle and have a pro drive it in a different class against one of their pros.
but as you can see none of them showed up so why not let them drive then.
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