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Boy are you on the defensive... All I'm saying is if you want to create a challenge and get credibility make it fair and open to all otherwise piss off with your closed contests with GM pro drivers vs handpicked amatuers.
you still seem to be to slow to understand that this isnt a gm open track day for bikes and lambos to show up. its a track day open only to the natural competitors of the cts-v.
you cant have 100 people all race. the race track is booked outside of gm being able to use it. you have to prep the drivers, make sure they pass a basic licencing course if they dont already have a solo track licence. then they do practice laps, learn from their mistakes then go out and hit 5 laps trying to get a good time.
track days involve alot of sitting around for novice drivers. and thats just for their own safety since you dont want someone to bring an m5 and flip it.
First the M3 was allowed because they knew it wasn't going to be competitive any idiot could figure out that one.
Not a fan boy you idiot and not sure what I would be a fan boy of based on my posts I never took sides with any manufacturer, I only pointed out in my original posts from weeks ago the facts about the Pro drivers versus the GM handpicked amateurs.
Fact is the CTS V can most likely hand any car in it's class it's arse that is my opinion.
I have issue with Lutz the clutz, he needs to retire and let someone else try and resurrect GM, if he thinks this so called "challenge" was going to prove to the world that this is the best four-door sedan well what can I say but FAIL...
GM - you want to show off the "V" then create a "open" challenge where the competition will show up and hopefully get their arses beat. Otherwise keep pimping your cars to the blue hairs and see where that gets you.
no idiot, the m3 coupe was allowed because bmw was going to bring an m3 coupe and a m5. no logical sense for bmw to put a m3 sedan and a m5 sedan on the same track at the same time.
it wasnt pros vs anyone. the pros came for a reason which they were never needed since the other brands didnt show.
you must not know much about marketing because this was a move so powerful it caused other brands to not show and endure some negative press. this is nothing but lots of free air time for the cts-v. how is this a bad move?
what would they gain by having a cts-v take on a 911tt? or a viper? or a gt-r? those arent cars even in its price range let alone in its class. the cts-v is already ranked on the ring with its time going against some of the worlds greatest vehicles. you can see that there if you want to see a 5 seater sedan race a lotus. this is to allow a friendly track day with cars in the same class.
is your gripe that they didnt allow a 370z to show up and stand up for all the japanese makes out there? I hope you dont seriously think the 370 would have stood much of a chance on that track. it might have beaten the evo but that might have been it.
no idiot, the m3 coupe was allowed because bmw was going to bring an m3 coupe and a m5. no logical sense for bmw to put a m3 sedan and a m5 sedan on the same track at the same time.
it wasnt pros vs anyone. the pros came for a reason which they were never needed since the other brands didnt show.
you must not know much about marketing because this was a move so powerful it caused other brands to not show and endure some negative press. this is nothing but lots of free air time for the cts-v. how is this a bad move?
what would they gain by having a cts-v take on a 911tt? or a viper? or a gt-r? those arent cars even in its price range let alone in its class. the cts-v is already ranked on the ring with its time going against some of the worlds greatest vehicles. you can see that there if you want to see a 5 seater sedan race a lotus. this is to allow a friendly track day with cars in the same class.
is your gripe that they didnt allow a 370z to show up and stand up for all the japanese makes out there? I hope you dont seriously think the 370 would have stood much of a chance on that track. it might have beaten the evo but that might have been it.
Can you read? You might want to re-read my post... Never once did I mention any favoritism towards BMW or any manufacturer except that I believe the "V" is a class winner or did your hate cloud your judgment?
No idiot I don't think for a second a 370Z could take on a "V" go spew your crap elsewhere, I never stated such a position if you want to read my signature and make up sh*t go ahead. If you think blogs, forums and twitter was good marketing cool, but at the end of the day Lutz failed at luring in any manufactures so nothing was proved except that John Heinricy is still a very good driver.
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No idiot I don't think for a second a 370Z could take on a "V" go spew your crap elsewhere, I never stated that ever if you want to read my signature and make up sh*t go ahead. If you think blogs, forums and tweitter was good marketing cool, but at the end of the day Lutz failed at luring in any manufactures so nothing was proved except John Heinricy is still a very good driver.
i guess news papers, video and magazine coverage isnt good marketing? and since when did blogs, facebook, twitter and forums become bad marketing?
what they proved today is that bob lutz still has the ability to get people to listen to him and spend time talking about his actions like he did when he used to work for bmw long ago. i mean its nearly 1am eastern and you are on the internet talking about something he did. and you arent even his target demographic.... so how was this a failure again?
the part of the contest rules which lutz explain why the pro drivers are coming and thats to go against any manf/magazines who wants to bring a pro and a vehicle in the cts-v's class and THEY can go head to head while the novices have their own fun.
I don't remember assuming that. WTF are you talking about?
did i quote you? go back and take a look at your sn and the sn of the person who i quoted. its ok, just take a sec and look above a few posts then look to the left where your sn is..... and see if they match.
i guess news papers, video and magazine coverage isnt good marketing? and since when did blogs, facebook, twitter and forums become bad marketing?
what they proved today is that bob lutz still has the ability to get people to listen to him and spend time talking about his actions like he did when he used to work for bmw long ago. i mean its nearly 1am eastern and you are on the internet talking about something he did. and you arent even his target demographic.... so how was this a failure again?
i know why bmw and mb didnt show.... do you?
The results are mute because of the flawed rules, no one showed up so nothing was proved. It's a shame because I do think the "V" would really shine against the competition.
It's 9:48 PM here this forum isn't worth my time at 1AM like it is for you.
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did i quote you? go back and take a look at your sn and the sn of the person who i quoted. its ok, just take a sec and look above a few posts then look to the left where your sn is..... and see if they match.
my mistake. and I was going by the rules posted on the top of the thread.
its all good...no harm no foul man. on a off note your max looks rather quick
Thank you I wish i could post a 1/4 time, but I failed to obtain drag radials before the end of the season. I tried to run on street tires and failed miserably. Do you have a CTS-V?
The results are mute because of the flawed rules, no one showed up so nothing was proved. It's a shame because I do think the "V" would really shine against the competition.
It's 9:48 PM here this forum isn't worth my time at 1AM like it is for you.
the v shined against its competition when it first came out. mags put it up against everything and it beat nearly everything on a race track that showed up. so that wasnt the point of this track day. and i think thats why you are still beating a dead horse.
well bob lutz is worth enough of your time to keep you coming back to this thread. I have both a personal and a decent financial stake in this event, even though it didnt pan out the way i was hoping it would.
Thank you I wish i could post a 1/4 time, but I failed to obtain drag radials before the end of the season. I tried to run on street tires and failed miserably. Do you have a CTS-V?
i have the slow cts-v. i need for it to be less slow and i would like to tackle that issue in the future. any stats on the build you have?
i have the slow cts-v. i need for it to be less slow and i would like to tackle that issue in the future. any stats on the build you have?
Turbo manifold and exhaust are home built, Precision T3/T4 .63AR turbine, .50AR comp 16psi on a stock motor. Jim wolf ECU, 370 injectors, Z32 maf.
Car has enough power to spin the tires at highway speeds, but will probably go through motors at the rate of one per year
I dint know they made a slow CTS-V
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