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Given all the praise heaped on the BMW 3 Series over the years, we can't blame you for thinking there's more to the story. We've heard all the conspiracy theories, most of them involving checks in large denominations from Munich.
This might seem believable to a certain segment of the population, but there's a far less interesting truth behind all those wins: The BMW was the best car. Sure, certain rivals often upped their game in one area or another, but the 3 Series always put it all together in a way that made it better.
So now the 2010 Audi S4 is here to take another shot. It's all-new this year and the old V8 is gone. There's now a supercharged V6 in its place, along with a lower price designed to better align the S4 with the BMW 335i.
The BMW 3 Series received a face-lift of its own last year. It was mostly minor trim changes and the like, but we're told that iDrive thing was tweaked again, too (oh, lovely).
Sounds like a fair fight, no?
S4 for the Win
So the 2010 Audi S4 finished well ahead of the 2009 BMW 335i this time around. Have our biases changed? Did we want to shake things up? Are we partial to canary yellow cars? Not a chance.
Like every comparison test before it, this one comes down to which car puts it all together in the most compelling package. We drove the cars in every imaginable situation, and every time someone got out of the Audi he was struggling to find a flaw. It was much the same way with the 335i, but driven back to back, the Audi feels a step ahead.
Slightly faster, easier to push hard and more comfortable on the inside, the 2010 Audi S4 is as good as it gets when it comes to sport sedans in this price range. It's a lofty range, but if you're going to spend that kind of money, you might as well get what you pay for.
The manufacturers provided Edmunds these vehicles for the purposes of evaluation.
That is a tough choice. I love the 335i, but that Audi looks great...
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I love how people, who obviously see I'm talking crank figures, have to try and disprove me by saying 'no it won't make certain WHP.' I never said those figures are to the wheels, which is why you don't see a "W" in my post.
The bottomline is that a tune nets over 400HP for an S4, which, thanks to a ton of torque, makes the S4 plenty fast. Any faster, and you'll have to get another Audi for that.
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I love how people, who obviously see I'm talking crank figures, have to try and disprove me by saying 'no it won't make certain WHP.' I never said those figures are to the wheels, which is why you don't see a "W" in my post.
The bottomline is that a tune nets over 400HP for an S4, which, thanks to a ton of torque, makes the S4 plenty fast. Any faster, and you'll have to get another Audi for that.
who gets a tune or modifies a car and speaks of ricer crank figures? especially when talking about a awd car?
when this car comes out let me know how a tune will net 400HP. I'll be waiting.
who gets a tune or modifies a car and speaks of ricer crank figures? especially when talking about a awd car?
Uh...ricer crank figures? Who uses them? How about the actual tuning companies like MTM, APR, and ABT? I'm not about to go and guess what the WHP numbers are, since I am not a dyno - THAT would be ricer numbers. I'm merely stating what I read.
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when this car comes out let me know how a tune will net 400HP. I'll be waiting.
What? What do you mean "when this car comes out"? The thing's been out for the past month now, if not more. And ABT and MTM have already released their ECU tunes and they both net over 430BHP. That's with just the ECU, no additional mods.
European tuners from Motoren Technik Mayer (MTM) have begun tuning the brand new 2010 Audi S4 with a new supercharged 3.0 liter V6. With only some minor ECU tuning; no underdrive pulley, intake, or exhaust modifications, they were able to crank out 430 horsepower. That is a 97 hp increase over the stock model, and the kit will sell for around $3,500 USD. The torque numbers have been raised as well to 380 ft-lbs of torque and the new 2010 Audi S4 can sprint from 0-60 mph in 4.6 seconds. The BMW 335i rival can expect to see more competition come from Audi and MTM tuning, as the Euro-tuning scene comes to the states later this year.
I'm curious why the comparison was made between an Audi "S" (not to be confused with the "S-Line" to a regular BMW series, as opposed to an "M", like M3.
An A4 vs. 335xi (AWD) would be a more reasonable comparison, similar to S4 vs. M3.
Nonetheless, both manufactures should pick a powerplant and stick with it, at least for a generation on the platform! The aggressive HP, displacement, induction d1ck slinging has shown in both of these platforms heavily over the past couple of years! I do see how comparing them, tuned, would be much closer, though.
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I'm curious why the comparison was made between an Audi "S" (not to be confused with the "S-Line" to a regular BMW series, as opposed to an "M", like M3.
An A4 vs. 335xi (AWD) would be a more reasonable comparison, similar to S4 vs. M3.
Nonetheless, both manufactures should pick a powerplant and stick with it, at least for a generation on the platform! The aggressive HP, displacement, induction d1ck slinging has shown in both of these platforms heavily over the past couple of years! I do see how comparing them, tuned, would be much closer, though.
OT: Both are nice, but liqidvenom's avatar reminds me that a CTS-V (yes, American) could be loved much more in my garage.
not even looking at specs i think M3>S4...maybe they are comparing price wise???...i guess the s4 is within the price range of a 335i???...now i hope audi has something else planned for the M3..RS4 or RS5 for the coupe????
edit jus saw on insideline that the M3 sedan is around 54k and the s4 is around 59k "as tested" yikes
not even looking at specs i think M3>S4...maybe they are comparing price wise???...i guess the s4 is within the price range of a 335i???...now i hope audi has something else planned for the M3..RS4 or RS5 for the coupe????
edit jus saw on insideline that the M3 sedan is around 54k and the s4 is around 59k "as tested" yikes
yeah the s4 is pretty but its over priced compared to nearly everything and sort of under delivers. The rs4 is going to be so expensive it wont make any sense i would imagine. i mean for about 60k you can get into a m3, isf, c63, cts-v.... why would you buy a similar priced but slower s4 or a more expensive rs4 which wont feel like its worth the money compared to the other 4 cars in its class.
yeah the s4 is pretty but its over priced compared to nearly everything and sort of under delivers. The rs4 is going to be so expensive it wont make any sense i would imagine. i mean for about 60k you can get into a m3, isf, c63, cts-v.... why would you buy a similar priced but slower s4 or a more expensive rs4 which wont feel like its worth the money compared to the other 4 cars in its class.
it does look really nice.
you're absolutely right...and its funny cause i always thought audi's S line of cars were competetively priced against the competition...if i had to put my chips down id take a new cts-v, it just tickles me in the right way., for close to 60k >340hp jus doesnt cut it when everyone else is putting out 400 minimum...
yeah the s4 is pretty but its over priced compared to nearly everything and sort of under delivers. The rs4 is going to be so expensive it wont make any sense i would imagine. i mean for about 60k you can get into a m3, isf, c63, cts-v.... why would you buy a similar priced but slower s4 or a more expensive rs4 which wont feel like its worth the money compared to the other 4 cars in its class.
it does look really nice.
isn't the new SCed s4 starting in the low $40k range?
isn't the new SCed s4 starting in the low $40k range?
it starts at 46k i think. i have no idea how its decked out thought at that price. I know you would at least want those cool s4 seats which arent prob standard.
^^ That last sentence strikes me as odd from someone that chose an RX-8 over an 350Z or GTO or even an S2000. Just sayin'..
I'm in the market for an 8 myself btw so I get it...
lol touche...but to my defense i wanted the GTO...but the maxima took a crap on me before i had enought saved up...i had to lower my budget. And at the time for 16k i couldnt get much else than an 03 mustang gt (yuck) 5.7 GTO was still around 18k for a stick or 16k wtih an auto (which i didnt want at ALL!!!) Z was still too much and a two seater wasnt practical...the 8 was a compromise yet still gave me everything i wanted plus the fun stuff!!!..i said it before, if i had to buy a new car it ouldnt have been an 8, but for used its quite a bargain lol...
u really looking at getting an 8?
back on topic is the new S5 going to be supercharged aswell cause i saw one today that looked like a new model, (the front bumper seemed a lil different then other s5's) yet it still had a V8?
What? What do you mean "when this car comes out"? The thing's been out for the past month now, if not more. 
, for close to 60k >340hp jus doesnt cut it when everyone else is putting out 400 minimum...
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