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I want the V8! Imagine the power this thing must have. I thought they were gonna put the 5.0 in the V8, but they went all out with the 5.6. The car somewhat looks like the 09 Maxima.
theres too much going on with the lines of the car. too complicated. needs more simplistic defined lines. too wavy IMO. its like a G/maxima hybrid. they need to make this car stand out alone.
It looks way too much like the G37's lines. While I think the car is beautiful, I think it needs it's own identity with smoother lines in order to sell well against it's competition. This thing is going to be a beast with the 5.6! Hopefully, they won't de-tune the 5.6.
Surprised you're not more so, seeing as you lack my three-pedal purist's mentality..
his car has 3 pedals
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RWD = fun? Yeah, maybe if you only watch Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift.
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Is there any corvette's that are close power to a maxima? I saw one that didnt really seem fast it was a newer model, but not that new... I dont know any corvette models and it didnt have any badging so I couldnt tell what it was.
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Aaron, you're great.
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i will never tell him this in person but bigles' car is hawt
RWD = fun? Yeah, maybe if you only watch Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift.
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Is there any corvette's that are close power to a maxima? I saw one that didnt really seem fast it was a newer model, but not that new... I dont know any corvette models and it didnt have any badging so I couldnt tell what it was.
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Aaron, you're great.
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i will never tell him this in person but bigles' car is hawt
Ummmm...pretty much every vehicle with drive-by-wire? Nissan used rather strict parameters with the Titans because of the transmission/rear axle were only just adequate. The engine will no doubt make the power as advertised but that power will be reigned in.
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2000 F-150 XLT, blown
Ummmm...pretty much every vehicle with drive-by-wire? Nissan used rather strict parameters with the Titans because of the transmission/rear axle were only just adequate. The engine will no doubt make the power as advertised but that power will be reigned in.
I mean how is Nissan using the DBW system to limit power? Especially considering the fact that this new 5.6 will share the current 5.0 VVEL system aka the throttle body is wide open full-time.
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I mean how is Nissan using the DBW system to limit power? Especially considering the fact that this new 5.6 will share the current 5.0 VVEL system aka the throttle body is wide open full-time.
PCM still has control over the valvetrain events. It'll just use the cam phasors to adjust engine power. The net effect is still the same though, you can mat the pedal and the PCM will decide how much power you get.
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1995 Maxima GLE, stock
2000 F-150 XLT, blown
There's no way for us know if this will happen. Some were saying that the ECU started closing the TB at high rpm to limit power when e-gas was first introduced in 2002 and that myth was debunked. Either way I expect monster power from this thing since Nissan is geting close to 400HP out of the 5.0.
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Tuning a car isn't a crime, but spelling it "tunning" ought to be. - ....
There's no way for us know if this will happen. Some were saying that the ECU started closing the TB at high rpm to limit power when e-gas was first introduced in 2002 and that myth was debunked. Either way I expect monster power from this thing since Nissan is geting close to 400HP out of the 5.0.
Don't need to close the throttle for torque management. Fuel and spark scheduling are just as effective. Every maker has some sort of setup, DBW can make it easier to implement but hardly the only way. Gotta keep those warranty claims down. Same strategies are invoked to protect emissions equipment too during spirited throttle use. It's not a matter of IF it will happen or not...because it will. It's a matter of "to what extent".
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2000 F-150 XLT, blown
Maybe also a matter of how easily reversible it will be.. doubt it will get the same support that the N54, etc does (good, "undetectable" software upgrades) but you never know.
Don't need to close the throttle for torque management. Fuel and spark scheduling are just as effective. Every maker has some sort of setup, DBW can make it easier to implement but hardly the only way. Gotta keep those warranty claims down. Same strategies are invoked to protect emissions equipment too during spirited throttle use. It's not a matter of IF it will happen or not...because it will. It's a matter of "to what extent".
What's so funny? I was just giving you an example of a supposed deliberate derating ploy that turned out to be bunk. Most factory tunes don't have max HP/torque in mind anyway so I don't see why this would be any different. Even if it is derated deliberately for warranty purposes it will still be a hell of a powerplant if the current 5.0 is any indication.
BTW I think it's safe to say that closing the throttle body will have a more dramatic effect than a few degrees of timing.
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Tuning a car isn't a crime, but spelling it "tunning" ought to be. - ....
What's so funny? I was just giving you an example of a supposed deliberate derating ploy that turned out to be bunk. Most factory tunes don't have max HP/torque in mind anyway so I don't see why this would be any different. Even if it is derated deliberately for warranty purposes it will still be a hell of a powerplant if the current 5.0 is any indication.
I already stated the engine will likely make all the power advertised. The PCM will determine whether or not you get all that power when you demand it though. Key difference. A TBSS makes all 400hp and then some but the torque management will dump a ton of fuel if it thinks it needs too. I've seen stock data logs on a friend's TBSS dip well into the 11.x:1 AFR range at WOT.
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BTW I think it's safe to say that closing the throttle body will have a more dramatic effect than a few degrees of timing.[/size]
Oh it would but most PCM's can control timing over a 40 degree range and pulling a ton of timing out would have just the same effect as closing the throttle. Closing the throttle is easier, but if the computer pulls timing and cuts fuel it's pretty much the same effect. Probably a more precise method overall so you wouldn't notice it as much.
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One of very very few new cars that doesn't make me shake my head in disgust. The interior is amazing, the contours, contrasts, blend of wood, aluminum and leather make it one of the best I've seen. The exterior is seductive but not overdone, much better than the "XXL Altima" look of the current M. The M56 is going to be a beast with 430-460 HP. Consider that the FX50 hits 60 in 5 seconds flat. This thing will edge an M3! Nissan/Infiniti seems to be doing everything right these days!
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One of very very few new cars that doesn't make me shake my head in disgust. The interior is amazing, the contours, contrasts, blend of wood, aluminum and leather make it one of the best I've seen. The exterior is seductive but not overdone, much better than the "XXL Altima" look of the current M. The M56 is going to be a beast with 430-460 HP. Consider that the FX50 hits 60 in 5 seconds flat. This thing will edge an M3! Nissan/Infiniti seems to be doing everything right these days!
I was going to say E46 or the current model, both of which run 0-60 in the high 4's. That's not too much of a stretch for the M56 considering the FX50's performance, right? I guess we'll know in a few months when more details surface and the reviews arrive.
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That car is a bad Mutha ! Will put a lot of cars on SHUTDOWN including that played out CTS-V.
please, go on
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Originally Posted by nalc
RWD = fun? Yeah, maybe if you only watch Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift.
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Originally Posted by nzelinsky
Is there any corvette's that are close power to a maxima? I saw one that didnt really seem fast it was a newer model, but not that new... I dont know any corvette models and it didnt have any badging so I couldnt tell what it was.
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Originally Posted by MinervaMaxxxima
Aaron, you're great.
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Originally Posted by CapedCadaver
i will never tell him this in person but bigles' car is hawt
That car is a bad Mutha ! Will put a lot of cars on SHUTDOWN including that played out CTS-V.
Oh this is going to be a good one to explain. Considering the current estimates the M56 is giving up around 90 - 100hp to the current CTS-V. M56 will probably weight less but NOT that much less.
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1995 Maxima GLE, stock
2000 F-150 XLT, blown
Oh this is going to be a good one to explain. Considering the current estimates the M56 is giving up around 90 - 100hp to the current CTS-V. M56 will probably weight less but NOT that much less.
well the 09 m weighed at least 3900lbs so i would imagine the new one would prob add a few hundred lbs
It's hard to justify anything else when you put the current CTS-v into the picture. I assume the costs of both are roughly the same. But the M56 is one very good looking car (at least at that angle). The Caddy still has that old person stigma to it. But with the magazines putting the CTS-V into comparisons with the E55s/M5 etc.. it's shedding that blue hair view quickly.
It's hard to justify anything else when you put the current CTS-v into the picture. I assume the costs of both are roughly the same. But the M56 is one very good looking car (at least at that angle). The Caddy still has that old person stigma to it. But with the magazines putting the CTS-V into comparisons with the E55s/M5 etc.. it's shedding that blue hair view quickly.
its not even the cts-v, but if this is in the 50-60k range for a m56 then you can jump into a m3, c63, isf etc.
hard to saw u want performance and pass any of those cars up
his car has 3 pedals
Don't need to close the throttle for torque management. Fuel and spark scheduling are just as effective. Every maker has some sort of setup, DBW can make it easier to implement but hardly the only way. Gotta keep those warranty claims down. Same strategies are invoked to protect emissions equipment too during spirited throttle use. It's not a matter of IF it will happen or not...because it will. It's a matter of "to what extent".
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