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I was shocked to learn that after Acura drop the Manual transmission in their 2007 and 2008 models (except the Type S). They have decided to bring it back for their 2010 TL AWD model. Maybe it’s a cry out of desperation or is it that Acura is trying to win the fans who sort elsewhere for a manual transmission in other sedans.
Don’t get me wrong I know Nissan didn’t want to go rear wheel drive or have an all wheel drive or even a manual transmission. After begging Nissan for those options there answer is no. It seems as though Acura is the one listening to us. I’m sure there sales are nowhere near the maxima sales, besides Acura is a Luxury brand (which I give Kudos to Nissan for being compared against a luxury brand like Acura). Even though the outside of the TL Front wheel drive looks (I can’t find the right word), actually if you look at the one with all wheel drive it doesn’t look as bad in the back. If you saw or had the pleasure of seating inside of the new TL hands down it is beautiful. Not that I’m trying to market for Acura or anything like that. No I was never a big TL fan for the simple fact that I always thought there pedals were a little stiff, and there leathers seats started cracking very early. I always loved the maxima right back when I had my ’94 maxima to my ’02 and now ’09. So I guess for those of us who can look behind the face of the TL now it will offer a manual transmission. Should Nissan be afraid? Do you think they will even take notice? Do you think it would improve the sales of the new TL? I would love to hear what you all have to say.
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Honestly, even if the TL was Supercharged to 400 bhp and cost half as much as the Max I wouldn't go anywhere near it. The worst looking car on the road period.
Honestly, even if the TL was Supercharged to 400 bhp and cost half as much as the Max I wouldn't go anywhere near it. The worst looking car on the road period.
Boy you can say that again brother!
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09 370Z, Chicane Yellow, and yes it's a manual!
TL trannys always sucked anyway. Almost bought one til i test drove it and the first thing i thought was "this rebuilt tranny sux". Sales man assured me it wasn't rebuilt... test drove few others and realized he was tellin the truth
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If every buyer who would have bought the manual version of the '09 Maxima (had one been available) bought a manual TL, I'm not sure that would have been 100 people (and most of them post on this board). Dealers would not accept manual Maximas from Nissan for years, because they couldn't give them away.
This manual TL is just one more sign of Acura's desperation to find buyers somewhere for its TL. The ONLY reason Acura may not lose money on this manual TL is because the development and adaptation have already been done with the TL Type 'S'.
I am no designer or stylist, but every time I see the front of one of these new TLs, I am tempted to phone Acura and offer to help them make it better looking. Even with my ineptness, I could hardly fail to somewhat improve its looks. Even gluing a gunny sack across the grill would help.
If every buyer who would have bought the manual version of the '09 Maxima (had one been available) bought a manual TL, I'm not sure that would have been 100 people (and most of them post on this board). Dealers would not accept manual Maximas from Nissan for years, because they couldn't give them away.
This manual TL is just one more sign of Acura's desperation to find buyers somewhere for its TL. The ONLY reason Acura may not lose money on this manual TL is because the development and adaptation have already been done with the TL Type 'S'.
I am no designer or stylist, but every time I see the front of one of these new TLs, I am tempted to phone Acura and offer to help them make it better looking. Even with my ineptness, I could hardly fail to somewhat improve its looks. Even gluing a gunny sack across the grill would help.
If anybody read their reviews, Acura planned on releasing a manual tranny for 2010 when the new TL came out.
And did anyone notice how ridiculously long those things are!
I agree with the looks.... The 04 body style took a while to grow on me. But the new body style is HORRIBLE......
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Part of the ugliness is that huge grille known as the "Power Plenum". I work at Acura and we have some loaner 09 TLs and TL SH-AWDs with the colored matched grill done in-house at the dealership on a select few, which totally changes the look.
Part of the ugliness is that huge grille known as the "Power Plenum". I work at Acura and we have some loaner 09 TLs and TL SH-AWDs with the colored matched grill done in-house at the dealership on a select few, which totally changes the look.
No, the entire body is ridiculous. The rear end looks like a transformer gone bad. There are too many creases and nasty lines everywhere. It's not just the grille I hate about it; it's everything. In fact, I think I hate the rear end more than the front.
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Honestly, even if the TL was Supercharged to 400 bhp and cost half as much as the Max I wouldn't go anywhere near it. The worst looking car on the road period.
Its not FWD, its SH-AWD... which can split up to 70% of total engine power to the rear wheels- most of any FWD based vehicle. Then it can split that power sent to the rear wheels 100/0 or 0/100 depending on which wheel needs the most power. Read the article they did with a SH-AWD 6MT.... even thou it was down on power compared to the G37 and 335i it spanked them on a *road course*. I believe this was in Car & Driver about a year ago.
Althou I think the car is ugly, silver SH-AWD looks ok and its looks have grown on me. Its 1st year out and we have NONE of the issues of the old 04-08 POS TL which are the most unreliable Acura made to date due to chintzy materials used inside out. I'm picking up a 09 TL as my daily driver/winter beater possibly this week, I don't want to wait for the '10 6MT because it will be late December early Jan release date. And I can care less about the 6MT, my other vehicles all have 6M/T in them for me to enjoy.
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2004 Volkswagen R32.
OZ wheels, tons of suspension mods, brakes, go fast & light goodies.
To each his own. I don't care if that thing had 500hp, it's nappy looking. Acura design staff should be fired for all the crap they're introducing. The prior gen TL was great looking. All it was missing was RWD and performance-focused automatic. Also, Honda really needs to step up the power game if they want to be taken seriously. To me, the TL is sports sedan for the Camry crowd. It has sporting intentions, but it's still just an Accord with FWD tendencies. And damn does the Acura crowd nutswing from that single comparison test between the TL, 3-series, and G. Most every other performance enthusaist knows the 3-series, G, and even the IS350 are much better entry level sports sedans. The new TL is the new 6th gen Maxima.
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To each his own. I don't care if that thing had 500hp, it's nappy looking. Acura design staff should be fired for all the crap they're introducing. The prior gen TL was great looking. All it was missing was RWD and performance-focused automatic. Also, Honda really needs to step up the power game if they want to be taken seriously. To me, the TL is sports sedan for the Camry crowd. It has sporting intentions, but it's still just an Accord with FWD tendencies. And damn does the Acura crowd nutswing from that single comparison test between the TL, 3-series, and G. Most every other performance enthusaist knows the 3-series, G, and even the IS350 are much better entry level sports sedans. The new TL is the new 6th gen Maxima.
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i've always failed to see where the "sport" is in the new TL
General consensus doesn't care about power, look how many 325 and 525 where sold with AWD and auto trannies that get to 60 in minutes not seconds. People buy it because its "sporty handling" and status.
If you want a perfomance sedan you shouldn't look at Jap cars... just head on over to your local Audi dealer and buy an RS4. I fail to see any "sport" in a G37, normal 3 series or and the IS350. It all depends on your definition of "sport". TL is more in the Avalon category, you can't have sport with FWD. Drive a TL over a long distance, you will appreciate its supple suspension, solid interior, gizzmos gallore, and quite interior + great MPG with the FWD J35 motor setup.
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2004 Volkswagen R32.
OZ wheels, tons of suspension mods, brakes, go fast & light goodies.
I remember at the 2009 Autoshow, Acura showed a V6 TSX. I still think its a civic with leather, even with that V6 I'd never consider buying one. The currant TL, ugliest car they made so far, I have never met a person who thinks its a good look. (drove the 6mt accord coupe, and it wouldnt even pull on a little hill in 3rd)
General consensus doesn't care about power, look how many 325 and 525 where sold with AWD and auto trannies that get to 60 in minutes not seconds. People buy it because its "sporty handling" and status.
Except for the fact that the 3-series and 5-series were good-looking cars, and the TL looks like something a 5-year old drew up on his paper placemat at Red Lobster...
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If you want a perfomance sedan you shouldn't look at Jap cars
Yeah, those STis and Evos....no performance at all.
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... just head on over to your local Audi dealer and buy an RS4.
an Evo or Sti with $10k or less in mods will destroy an RS4 and still leave $30k left over....
Then again, you won't get headlight washers...
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you can't have sport with FWD.
The definition of "sport" is track work...
one of the best track cars under $50k of the last several decades...Just ask the M3's and Z06's that lost to one at the last SCCA 12-hour at Summit Point. One of the two Type-R's beat all of them....(and the M3s and Z06s all finished)
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Here you go comparing boys cars with mods to a proper STOCK car. STi or EVO will never come close to that of a M3, RS4 or a AMG C63. One shopping for a RS4 would never consider one of those boy racer cars. One could go up and say a old DSM for 1K dollars with 10K dollars in mods can put some SERIOUS hurt on any STi or EVO.
I've driven a Type R many times, worked on them many times. I do agree that you CAN make FWD handle, but it requires a stiff LIGHT chassis.... TL is not light, nor is a Maxima. Mini's are great handling cars also... FWD with too much power is point less, 300HP is about the absolute limit of the platform. You should know this, you drove a Maxima, I road raced a Maxima... there is just so much you can do before you call it quits and go with AWD.
TL is a luxury touring sedan, looks are subjective. To each his own I drive a Golf which is despised for its hatchback utility by dumb americans, and when I see a new Echo, I mean WRX I think its fuggly also. What you think is beautiful, another person will think its just fuggly. Some people don't buy cars based on looks, but by its features or things that lure them into that car- like drivetrain. J35 motor is probably one of the best if not best V6 you can buy, VQ looks like a boat anchor next to it in terms of reliability. AND that is a fact.
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2004 Volkswagen R32.
OZ wheels, tons of suspension mods, brakes, go fast & light goodies.
Here you go comparing boys cars with mods to a proper STOCK car. STi or EVO will never come close to that of a M3, RS4 or a AMG C63. One shopping for a RS4 would never consider one of those boy racer cars. One could go up and say a old DSM for 1K dollars with 10K dollars in mods can put some SERIOUS hurt on any STi or EVO.
we can argue all day about what we THINK is the better track car, but generally speaking the ultimate test of track performance for all cars is at the ring....that's why almost all car makers do their testing there.
So let's just do stock then....
Nurburgring times (stock cars)
Audi RS4 ('00, it's the only one listed) best time 8:25 on stock tires (8:09 on r-comps)
Mitsubishi Evo IX (not sure of year) best time 8:23 on stock tires (8:11 on r-comps)
Subaru Impreza STi ('04) best time 8:24 on r-comps
(we already knew the Evo is Much faster than the STi at the track...no surprise there)
Hockenheim times
Audi RS4 1:18 stock tires
Evo IX not listed
'04 STi 1:17 RE050's
'08 STi 1:18 (DOT r-comps)
E92 M3 1:15 on stock tires, for comparison's sake
new Z06 1:11 on stock tires
assuming equal drivers, the RS4 and Evo IX are a dead heat...and the evo costs 1/2 as much...
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and "one shopping for an RS4" is most likely doing it because
a) they're rich
b) they want to impress everyone
c) they most likely will never take it to a track.
Over 100 autocross events and i have yet to see an RS4 at any
Many track days and i have yet to see an RS4 at any.
The RS4 is an awesome car, but in terms of performance it doesn't exactly blow away alot of cars half its cost in performance categories...
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TL is not light, nor is a Maxima. Mini's are great handling cars also... FWD with too much power is point less, 300HP is about the absolute limit of the platform. You should know this, you drove a Maxima, I road raced a Maxima... there is just so much you can do before you call it quits and go with AWD.
you must have mistaken me with someone who thinks the maxima or TL are sports cars.
I was directly referring to your statement that a FWD car cannot be "sport," and I produced the Type R as an example of how you are not correct in that assessment. I did not suggest that a maxima or TL are "sport" cars.
I've never liked the TL in any iteration, personally..
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I've driven a Type R many times, worked on them many times. I do agree that you CAN make FWD handle, but it requires a stiff LIGHT chassis.... TL is not light, nor is a Maxima. Mini's are great handling cars also... FWD with too much power is point less, 300HP is about the absolute limit of the platform. You should know this, you drove a Maxima, I road raced a Maxima... there is just so much you can do before you call it quits and go with AWD.
The RS4 is a far superior car overall to an Evo or Sti or whatever. It's far better quality, features, comfort, ride and so on and so on....If someone offered me two evos or one RS4, I'd take the RS4 every day.
But the fact remains that it is at best only marginally better purely as a "sport" car.
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there is just so much you can do before you call it quits and go with AWD.
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Don't you drive an AWD R32? Why didn't you just get a regular FWD GTI then?
AWD has inherent advantages over both FWD and RWD, especially for the 100% of people who live in the real world where it rains and snows. I personally will probably never buy a daily-driver again that isn't AWD...
Here are the times. Auto Sport tests all the cars on the 'Ring and you can clearly see that the RS4 wins here.
I have driven them all, STi and EVO are tiring cars to drive.... turbo lag, punishing suspension, plastic interiors etc. Yes they are economy cars on steroids to compete in WRC. Out of all the RS4s I see in my area, most of them are modified in some way from wheels to exhausts to chips etc. Do I see them at the track, well we have quite a few nice tracks here and I've seen them. RS4 drives like a solid brick down the road, suspension is stiff but doesn't feel like a car thats running some cheap coil overs on it like EVOs or STis feel.
Why do I drive a R32 ? Because I didn't want a 4 cylinder laggy turbo FWD car. And AWD turbo 24V VR6 isn't anything like a boyish WRX or EVO I have driven. Car has pedigree, it doesn't attract attention of any ricer. I drive my car year long, 110K miles on the original engine, trans, clutch... aside from a squirrel which made a mess with the wire harness in the engine bay few weeks ago I haven't had any hickups with my car. My Maxima blew 4th gear on the highway @65K miles while I was easing onto the gas to pass a car @ 70MPH on the highway. 5 clutches, 6 wheel bearings, axles etc etc.
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2004 Volkswagen R32.
OZ wheels, tons of suspension mods, brakes, go fast & light goodies.
There isn't anything creative about a 400WHP Sentra SE-R which spins tires in 5th gear on the highway.... running wide tires doesn't work on the street.
AWD allows you to utilize the power the car makes, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that AWD is the best platform when it comes to racing. My brother built a 500WHP G20 not too long ago, it was just stupid to drive it.
Anyways this topic is about a TL 6MT. Its not competing with a slushbox Maxima, its in a totally different class. Before you bash it, drive it... its ugly but it drives better than any Maxima hopes to drive.
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2004 Volkswagen R32.
OZ wheels, tons of suspension mods, brakes, go fast & light goodies.
Here are the times. Auto Sport tests all the cars on the 'Ring and you can clearly see that the RS4 wins here.
I used autosport numbers too, but that must be the brand-new RS4 in your link...it wasn't in the listing I saw. I do not see a notation about whether or not the RS4 running the 7:49 was on r-comps or street tires. I know autosport tests using both, as I noted in my previous post.
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I have driven them all, STi and EVO are tiring cars to drive.... turbo lag, punishing suspension, plastic interiors etc. [/qutoe]
yeah, it sucks when the car doesn't do it all for you and you have to work a bit to drive it...... I've never found my WRX to be a "tiring" car to drive, and it has the same engine, about 95% as much power, and the same stock spring rates as an STi. Turbo lag isn't an issue if you know how to drive it. The suspension is far more comfortable and composed than my stock SE suspension on the Maxima. And yes, the interior is cheap plasticky materials. Saves alot of weight. Also has manual seats, FTW.
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Yes they are economy cars on steroids to compete in WRC.
And the RS4 is an A4 on steroids...what's your point?
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Out of all the RS4s I see in my area, most of them are modified in some way from wheels to exhausts to chips etc.
So wait, now are they "boy tuner" cars too?
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Do I see them at the track, well we have quite a few nice tracks here and I've seen them.
I never said that no RS4 ever goes to the track.....But for people spending that kind of cash, you're far more likely to see a Porsche 911 at the track than an RS4.
And we have a few nice tracks here as well....
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RS4 drives like a solid brick down the road, suspension is stiff but doesn't feel like a car thats running some cheap coil overs on it like EVOs or STis feel.
well, it's good to know that the extra $40k it costs gets you a solid brick feeling. Could have something to do with the 4000lb curb weight...maybe it's made of solid brick...
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Why do I drive a R32 ? Because I didn't want a 4 cylinder laggy turbo FWD car. And AWD turbo 24V VR6 isn't anything like a boyish WRX or EVO I have driven. Car has pedigree, it doesn't attract attention of any ricer.
MOST HILARIOUS THING YOU"VE SAID SO FAR!!! WINWINWINWIN
Mike, you really should come to this area. Damn near every high school guy in this area drives a GTI or R32. And they're the ones always trying to stoplight race everyone. GTI is THE "ricer kid" car around here (sure, there are plenty of WRXs and Civic Si's too). I like my new WRX sedan, because it attracts ZERO attention. And if some GTI or WRX or Civic does want to race...they will lose anyhow.
I'm not sure what "pedigree" you're referring to. The R32 is based on an econobox (the Golf) just like the WRX.
btw, the MkIV R32 at Nurburg runs it in 8:37 (MkV in 8:52)
that's the same time that the old EJ205 WRX ran about 9 years ago, and that car is far, far slower than the current WRX on the track.
(all on stock tires, btw).
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I drive my car year long, 110K miles on the original engine, trans, clutch... aside from a squirrel which made a mess with the wire harness in the engine bay few weeks ago I haven't had any hickups with my car. My Maxima blew 4th gear on the highway @65K miles while I was easing onto the gas to pass a car @ 70MPH on the highway. 5 clutches, 6 wheel bearings, axles etc etc.
why do you keep bringing up the maxima? apples and oranges.....
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Here you go comparing boys cars with mods to a proper STOCK car. STi or EVO will never come close to that of a M3, RS4 or a AMG C63. One shopping for a RS4 would never consider one of those boy racer cars. One could go up and say a old DSM for 1K dollars with 10K dollars in mods can put some SERIOUS hurt on any STi or EVO.
I've driven a Type R many times, worked on them many times. I do agree that you CAN make FWD handle, but it requires a stiff LIGHT chassis.... TL is not light, nor is a Maxima. Mini's are great handling cars also... FWD with too much power is point less, 300HP is about the absolute limit of the platform. You should know this, you drove a Maxima, I road raced a Maxima... there is just so much you can do before you call it quits and go with AWD.
TL is a luxury touring sedan, looks are subjective. To each his own I drive a Golf which is despised for its hatchback utility by dumb americans, and when I see a new Echo, I mean WRX I think its fuggly also. What you think is beautiful, another person will think its just fuggly. Some people don't buy cars based on looks, but by its features or things that lure them into that car- like drivetrain. J35 motor is probably one of the best if not best V6 you can buy, VQ looks like a boat anchor next to it in terms of reliability. AND that is a fact.
your views on things are all over the place. a rs4 is a great car, but not something i would consider to be a great sports sedan for the money, especially not in 2009.
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you must have mistaken me with someone who thinks the maxima or TL are sports cars.
I was directly referring to your statement that a FWD car cannot be "sport," and I produced the Type R as an example of how you are not correct in that assessment. I did not suggest that a maxima or TL are "sport" cars.
I've never liked the TL in any iteration, personally..
lots of fwd cars can be sporty. not sure why he would think so.
and yes a maxima isnt sports based even though it has an SE trim.
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let's cut right to it though Mike..
The RS4 is a far superior car overall to an Evo or Sti or whatever. It's far better quality, features, comfort, ride and so on and so on....If someone offered me two evos or one RS4, I'd take the RS4 every day.
But the fact remains that it is at best only marginally better purely as a "sport" car.
but i'm sure if you are buying some to be your dd and also as a track tool you would buy the evo/sti. heck you could buy a cobalt ss and eat the rs4 prob.
Here are the times. Auto Sport tests all the cars on the 'Ring and you can clearly see that the RS4 wins here.
I have driven them all, STi and EVO are tiring cars to drive.... turbo lag, punishing suspension, plastic interiors etc. Yes they are economy cars on steroids to compete in WRC. Out of all the RS4s I see in my area, most of them are modified in some way from wheels to exhausts to chips etc. Do I see them at the track, well we have quite a few nice tracks here and I've seen them. RS4 drives like a solid brick down the road, suspension is stiff but doesn't feel like a car thats running some cheap coil overs on it like EVOs or STis feel.
Why do I drive a R32 ? Because I didn't want a 4 cylinder laggy turbo FWD car. And AWD turbo 24V VR6 isn't anything like a boyish WRX or EVO I have driven. Car has pedigree, it doesn't attract attention of any ricer. I drive my car year long, 110K miles on the original engine, trans, clutch... aside from a squirrel which made a mess with the wire harness in the engine bay few weeks ago I haven't had any hickups with my car. My Maxima blew 4th gear on the highway @65K miles while I was easing onto the gas to pass a car @ 70MPH on the highway. 5 clutches, 6 wheel bearings, axles etc etc.
I know about 5 rs4 guys who use to be track day warriors when they had their normal a4's or other type of cars. they dont drive any where when it rains, go insane with blue painters tape when driving anywhere.
the normal s4 guys are more hard core then the rs4 guys. I would want a rs4 though if i didnt have my current car.
also you drive a hatch which it fairly loud under full throttle... how is that not boyish? while i am a fan of the r32, i wouldnt call it a grown up car and it attracts the down shifts of nearly every ricer when i had one for a bit. that coupled with every yr i spend 3 days surrounded with vw people at ocean city.... I can personally say that the people who own the r32 are just better funded people who over spent trying to get awd to one up the normal gti guys.
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Anyways this topic is about a TL 6MT. Its not competing with a slushbox Maxima, its in a totally different class. Before you bash it, drive it... its ugly but it drives better than any Maxima hopes to drive.
if you are thinking that a Tl is a good driving car based on the fact that its better then a maxima... then its a failure by association.
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-06 -g35 sedan 6MT [sold]
-02 merlot red 6mt full bolt ons [sold]
-97 - maxima 5MT [ hit bambi at 75mph]
I guess in this part of the country rice boys don't like VWs.... its probably why they stick to Nissans, Hondas and EVOs. P&L motorsports- HUGE Subaru shop- Chicago, AMS- EVO shop of the world- Chicago.... guess what I see daily ? WRX and EVO all day long.
Don't get me wrong, I respect the EVOs, fine car... thats where it ends. R"34" wasn't ever a true EVO competitor, its underpowered and VW left it like that for people to tinker with. There are plenty of companies making forced induction add ons to bring the car up and beyond EVO or STi power for street use.
I wouldn't call it proper engineering if your engine went at such low mileage, not to say EVO don't have engine problems.... the new one has problems with a relay that sticks in low PSI fuel pump mode, causing it to run SUPER lean. Plenty of these lumps @ the dealer.
TL > Maxima, any generation.
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2004 Volkswagen R32.
OZ wheels, tons of suspension mods, brakes, go fast & light goodies.
There isn't anything creative about a 400WHP Sentra SE-R which spins tires in 5th gear on the highway.... running wide tires doesn't work on the street.
Oh I wasn't speaking for street use. In that area even from even a daily use stand point you would be correct. But do you remember the time attack Cobalt from a while back? FWD and whooped up on everyone. Just using that as an extreme example. But this is getting O/T lol
I wouldn't call it proper engineering if your engine went at such low mileage, .
I would assume you're referring to my engine, and I'd agree, with a caveat. The problem was only on the first 2 months of 09 wrx production though (plus a few small groups of other 2.5 subarus) - and it's been confirmed as improperly cleaned cranks by a subcontractor that caused the problem....the EJ25 is generally considered a very reliable engine, but people mod them to such high power that obviously we (as "car people") see more failures than what we'd see just looking at stock cars...
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