Went to the dealer to get a window reg and..

[Gunther]

I'm not going to argue with you because it isn't worth the time. Jon wasn't simply saying that more money buys a better part but that spending more money on a better quality part is often worth it in the long run, something I whole heartedly agree with.

[ColombianMax]

Originally Posted by Gunther

I'm not going to argue with you because it isn't worth the time. Jon wasn't simply saying that more money buys a better part but that spending more money on a better quality part is often worth it in the long run, something I whole heartedly agree with.

I'm gonna back Jon and Gunther with this statement. I believe your extreme example of OEM 15 year old clamps is weak. Try perfect OEM fitment for only 75% (just an example %) higher price than aftermarket...if it makes life easier and will last longer its worth it. I'm all for quality and would def agree with these guys. Now sometimes you may run into good deals with good parts which doesnt necessarily mean they're bad parts as you are understanding from jons post. I'm poor but sometimes you just have to spend.

Choosing an Infiniti over a Nissan just because its more expensive is also a bad example considering most [of the older] models were exact identical car mechanically with just slight different body and luxury features. Luxury and quality are not the same. Look at Lincoln, Cadillac, most Jaguars, upper Chryslers, they're all garbage. May look nice and luxurious but are mechanical piles of crap that hit my junk yard everyday looking MINT as can be still.

I'm done

I can see where you're coming with the Accord intake as well, I'd do it too but if I had like a new car I'd def get exact fit non custom intake. Sometimes people just get tired of having to fab things to fit and like something to "bolt on" just like what these type of upgrades are called and known as; bolt-ons not fab-ons

[Maxpwer]

Originally Posted by ColombianMax

I'm gonna blah blah blah...

Didnt I tell you that you would be back? Atleast you held out for a couple of months.

[ColombianMax]

Originally Posted by Maxpwer

Didnt I tell you that you would be back? Atleast you held out for a couple of months.

Yes I did and was planning on going longer but your NC buddy talked to me a month ago when he was here for maxus and made me realize something. I wont lie, I missed the org considering no one did anything wrong to me. I just didnt like the actions of one person and didnt find them fair. Still dont but whatever. I also didn't like the false shady statement(s) made a while back but I'm not even gonna get into that. So you came out of your way to say that eh?

[jonmandude]

Originally Posted by 3g94MaxGXE

Not really, I'm just using extreme examples because it makes people think.

Extreme examples make people think...that you are arguing just to argue.

You are right a piece of pipe is just a piece of pipe but to make it a CAI takes work and time is worth something. To me your inexpensive kit isn't worth the time and effort to make it fit where my correct CAI fit without the work. Not because of bling, but because of what I value. You value your money more than your time, I value my time. Oh and the ebay Honda kits are usually chrome and blingy (like yours), my $150 (shipped) Warpspeed CAI is painted. Chrome retains heat which undermines the whole point of a cold air intake.

I am not telling not to buy something that is a good deal, I am just saying be smart about the deals you buy. A good deal is not always a good deal, sometimes it will cost more in the long run. The best rule of thumb is that you get what you pay for. If you buy something as potentially damaging as a turbo sitting in a junkyard, you have no history of it's abuse. You do not know why that engine with the turbo was in that junkyard, do you? It is russian roulette with your engine, car, money and your life.

[3g94MaxGXE]

Originally Posted by ColombianMax

I can see where you're coming with the Accord intake as well, I'd do it too but if I had like a new car I'd def get exact fit non custom intake. Sometimes people just get tired of having to fab things to fit and like something to "bolt on" just like what these type of upgrades are called and known as; bolt-ons not fab-ons

I didn't cut or modify anything. The CAI requires a bit of cutting and while I have 5 years of experience with tin snips but I didn't want to do the work nor have to deal with worrying about driving when my street is flooded. I remember one time flooding got so bad that my friend was going to pick me up to go out to eat some chicken wings and he parked his car at the end of the road, walked in almost knee deep water and then we walked back to his car. If it can get knee deep once, it can get a couple inches fairly regularly. So I just got a basic short ram setup all I needed that wasn't in the intake kit was a cap for an extra bung, some hose clamps and a single coupler. All of which can be found at home depot and autozone.

So really it was bolt on, not fab on.

[CapedCadaver]

Originally Posted by ColombianMax

Yes I did and was planning on going longer but your NC buddy talked to me a month ago when he was here for maxus and made me realize something. I wont lie, I missed the org considering no one did anything wrong to me. I just didnt like the actions of one person and didnt find them fair. Still dont but whatever. I also didn't like the false shady statement(s) made a while back but I'm not even gonna get into that. So you came out of your way to say that eh?

hai

[jonmandude]

Originally Posted by 3g94MaxGXE

I didn't cut or modify anything. The CAI requires a bit of cutting and while I have 5 years of experience with tin snips but I didn't want to do the work nor have to deal with worrying about driving when my street is flooded. I remember one time flooding got so bad that my friend was going to pick me up to go out to eat some chicken wings and he parked his car at the end of the road, walked in almost knee deep water and then we walked back to his car. If it can get knee deep once, it can get a couple inches fairly regularly. So I just got a basic short ram setup all I needed that wasn't in the intake kit was a cap for an extra bung, some hose clamps and a single coupler. All of which can be found at home depot and autozone.

So really it was bolt on, not fab on.

You still spent time getting parts putting them together for a WAI which is no better than the factory air box performance wise. It simply looks blingy.

I don't want to argue with someone who lists "gaming console" as a future mod and then argues with about wasting money.

[ColombianMax]

Originally Posted by capedcadaver

hai

How's it goin' lil' buddy?

[ColombianMax]

Originally Posted by jonmandude

You still spent time getting parts putting them together for a WAI which is no better than the factory air box performance wise. It simply looks blingy.

I don't want to argue with someone who lists "gaming console" as a future mod and then argues with about wasting money.

Hey you leave the gaming consoles out of this! I'm getting a Pioneer AVIC for my 4th gen, although its not a gaming console, I can hook one up to it

[CapedCadaver]

Originally Posted by ColombianMax

How's it goin' lil' buddy?

i'm tired, going to see m-effing Linkin Park tomorrow (hahahahahahahahaha sux for youuuu), and i can't afford new front brakes to go with the new rear ones. i mean, it's not like i'm just gonna buy autozone crap all over again. i have autozone brakes and they are ATROCIOUS. they overheat too easily and just glide on through the stops i *try* to make. only good stuff for me from now on.

[ColombianMax]

Originally Posted by capedcadaver

i'm tired, going to see m-effing Linkin Park tomorrow (hahahahahahahahaha sux for youuuu), and i can't afford new front brakes to go with the new rear ones. i mean, it's not like i'm just gonna buy autozone crap all over again. i have autozone brakes and they are ATROCIOUS. they overheat too easily and just glide on through the stops i *try* to make. only good stuff for me from now on.

Oh yea? I'm gonna go see {insert racist comment here(jk )} tomorrow at work on my day off to get some overtime since 2 guys cant make it...anyway enough off topic I'm out to bed

[jonmandude]

Originally Posted by capedcadaver

i'm tired, going to see m-effing Linkin Park tomorrow (hahahahahahahahaha sux for youuuu), and i can't afford new front brakes to go with the new rear ones. i mean, it's not like i'm just gonna buy autozone crap all over again. i have autozone brakes and they are ATROCIOUS. they overheat too easily and just glide on through the stops i *try* to make. only good stuff for me from now on.

Linkin Park should be a good show. Let us know how it is/was.

[3g94MaxGXE]

Originally Posted by jonmandude

Extreme examples make people think...that you are arguing just to argue.

Look if you think something is a good deal, buy it. But when you buy that junkyard turbo and end up having to rebuild the engine 6 months later, I hope I am here to say I told you so. If you buy something as potentially damaging as a turbo sitting in a junkyard, you have no history of it's abuse. You do not know why that engine with the turbo was in that junkyard, do you? It is russian roulette with your engine, car, money and your life.

I'm not saying with a junkyard turbo you just throw it in and let it go. I'd rebuild one the same way I'd replace a timing belt on a car with a timing belt of unknown age. It costs less than buying a new one and gives you the same performance and reliability because you are replacing the parts that do wear not buying the turbine housing and etc. As far as Russian roulette assuming you have every precaution in place (working wastegate especially) it shouldn't cause any problems.

As far as knowing why it's in the junkyard it's pretty obvious sometimes. Big dents and crushed doors and stuff mean accident. It being a Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T or GSX that isn't messed up on the exterior just means the 4G63's horrible reliability caught up with it. If you find a car with no timing belt well you can pretty much assume that the timing belt broke, the valves and pistons are messed up and the owner didn't consider their car worth the price of labor and replacement parts. Likely also the people that don't let their turbo cool down before shutting the engine off in any case but still doesn't mean a turbo is totalled, in need of at least inspection and definitely worth a rebuild.

You know most of the guys here like parts cars are we stupidly risking our lives but swapping in injectors, suspension, transmissions, etc? As far as russian roulette is concerned I hope you don't drive on city streets because when you do you are playing russian roulette, only you aren't the only person holding a gun. The guys that just had 12 beers and watched their team lose the superbowl at a friend's house might be on the road with you. You can either try to live life, or you can worry so much about safety that you end up not enjoying it as much as you can.

I'm dead in 80 years no matter what, I'm good as dead in 60 since even if I will still be able to walk I'll be walking on painkillers, in 30 years I'll be way past my best years complaining about my back hurting just like everyone else in my family. As is I'm not allowed to lift weights or supposed to lift my girlfriend's son because I had a spontaneous partial lung collapse 3 months ago. I've never smoked, I've got a strong heart, strong legs, a back that has held up to 300lb squats despite a family history of bad backs, my arms can bench my own weight. I was in perfect shape before I fell asleep in my bed one night 3 months ago. I woke up in pain that lasted for days. Just by living we're playing Russian Roulette, I say take a few precautions and have some fun. Die on your feet rather than live on your knees - a life never lived is no life at all.

Yes, I do like to argue because how I see it you are invalidating other people's views merely because they are trying to save you money acting like you know best. I don't know best but a pipe is a pipe. I don't argue to argue though. I argue to get a point across especially when I suggest something and it is met with an almost hostile response.

[jonmandude]

Originally Posted by ColombianMax

Hey you leave the gaming consoles out of this! I'm getting a Pioneer AVIC for my 4th gen, although its not a gaming console, I can hook one up to it

But you are not arguing about wasting money.

[ColombianMax]

damn straight, a pipe is a pipe. I acknowledge both and concur with both sides of the argument but they both have their good points which each one of you is missing. When I log on tomorrow after work I'll find out if you two have come to an agreement. Night peeps

[CapedCadaver]

Originally Posted by jonmandude

Linkin Park should be a good show. Let us know how it is/was.

kk. my friend is a MASSIVE LP fan and the concert is actually on his bday (now, today, since it's past midnight), and i was like hmmmm let's get him a bday present he'll actually 'use' instead of something lame like a VAF for his stupid probe that can't rev pas 4k before the fuel injectors shut off for 5 seconds.. anyhow. he doesn't know he's going. i just told him to take the day off and meet me at noon. he's gonna flip when i hand him the ticket at the gate.

[3g94MaxGXE]

Originally Posted by jonmandude

You still spent time getting parts putting them together for a WAI which is no better than the factory air box performance wise. It simply looks blingy.

I don't want to argue with someone who lists "gaming console" as a future mod and then argues with about wasting money.

gaming computer....it would be good for alot of things. You think thats so bad? I just made my list as complete as I could. If you check the first ride of the month a guy lists a accelerometer as a mod. Gaming computer could keep my passenger entertained, allow them to mix my music much easier than with a CD player, be used to store mapquest directions and maps, I could use it to modify fuel air maps and more with an emanage blue, and etc. I think it's a VERY good mod and not that expensive since I have been building my own computers for 5 years now and prices on quality components are at an all time low. Not to mention a desktop is cheaper, easier to upgrade or repair and etc. than a laptop and since everything else in my car is fixed by me I wouldn't want one of my mods to be less than easy to mess with than the car I put it in.

I built my current gaming rig a whole year and a half ago and it runs 24/7, no BSODs, no unexpected part failures (the power supply went out after a year but I had a replacement ready since it came with the case and was the only one that fit without some cutting and I knew it would likely fail since plenty of people had complained about 1 month to 1 year failures). Cost me $800 total, ~$200 graphics card, ~$50 cpu, $30 DVD drive, ~$80 motherboard, etc. The processor runs about 40C with a 33% overclock and I could game nonstop till death and never have to worry about it giving out on me. Even at a year old, it meets requirements for the most graphically intensive game out there, Crysis. If I built a new computer for my car it would cost closer to $600 which isn't that bad since some people would spend half that much on a pipe.

[jonmandude]

Originally Posted by 3g94MaxGXE

I'm not saying with a junkyard turbo you just throw it in and let it go. I'd rebuild one the same way I'd replace a timing belt on a car with a timing belt of unknown age. It costs less than buying a new one and gives you the same performance and reliability because you are replacing the parts that do wear not buying the turbine housing and etc. As far as Russian roulette assuming you have every precaution in place (working wastegate especially) it shouldn't cause any problems.

As far as knowing why it's in the junkyard it's pretty obvious sometimes. Big dents and crushed doors and stuff mean accident. It being a Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T or GSX that isn't messed up on the exterior just means the 4G63's horrible reliability caught up with it. If you find a car with no timing belt well you can pretty much assume that the timing belt broke, the valves and pistons are messed up and the owner didn't consider their car worth the price of labor and replacement parts. Likely also the people that don't let their turbo cool down before shutting the engine off in any case but still doesn't mean a turbo is totalled, in need of at least inspection and definitely worth a rebuild.

You know most of the guys here like parts cars are we stupidly risking our lives but swapping in injectors, suspension, transmissions, etc? As far as russian roulette is concerned I hope you don't drive on city streets because when you do you are playing russian roulette, only you aren't the only person holding a gun. The guys that just had 12 beers and watched their team lose the superbowl at a friend's house might be on the road with you. You can either try to live life, or you can worry so much about safety that you end up not enjoying it as much as you can.

I'm dead in 80 years no matter what, I'm good as dead in 60 since even if I will still be able to walk I'll be walking on painkillers, in 30 years I'll be way past my best years complaining about my back hurting just like everyone else in my family. As is I'm not allowed to lift weights or supposed to lift my girlfriend's son because I had a spontaneous partial lung collapse 3 months ago. I've never smoked, I've got a strong heart, strong legs, a back that has held up to 300lb squats despite a family history of bad backs, my arms can bench my own weight. I was in perfect shape before I fell asleep in my bed one night 3 months ago. I woke up in pain that lasted for days. Just by living we're playing Russian Roulette, I say take a few precautions and have some fun. Die on your feet rather than live on your knees - a life never lived is no life at all.

Yes, I do like to argue because how I see it you are invalidating other people's views merely because they are trying to save you money acting like you know best. I don't know best but a pipe is a pipe. I don't argue to argue though. I argue to get a point across especially when I suggest something and it is met with an almost hostile response.

Wow, is all of that really neccesary?

I understand your viewpoints, because I have been there, saving money on parts over and over again only to realize that it would have been cheaper to buy the right part the first time. My view comes from experience.

Your last paragraph makes