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Apparently it's the GT-R's fault GM and Porsche (a marque that SHOULD know about tires) they can't pick the "right" tire. Handicapping themselves on purpose ftw
I bet you'd be singing a different tune if they ran the R compound tires that are a factory option for the 911's in Europe...
In any case, given that the Z06 is putting down so much power with only the rear tires, does not have the level of suspension or powertrain aides as the GT-R or 911, and only got edged out by the GT-R by a cunt hair of a margin in the final analysis of this one, far from definitive comparison, I'm more than comfortable with the results.
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I bet you'd be singing a different tune if they ran the R compound tires that are a factory option for the 911's in Europe...:rolleys:
Excuse me. Are we in Europe? So make an option here and run it. But then again, what would liquid and Irish say??
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In any case, given that the Z06 is putting down so much power with only the rear tires, does not have the level of suspension or powertrain aides as the GT-R or 911, and only got edged out by the GT-R by a cunt hair of a margin in the final analysis of this one, far from definitive comparison, I'm more than comfortable with the results.
You must really like the furry ones if you think 5 sec is a cunt hair. Boo hoo for the Z06
Gotta love the reactions. Exactly what I was expecting. The domestic lovers coming in here defending their brand. (even though I happen to like the Z06 alot and get flamed for supporting them on other boards).
Stay calm bro. You took the bait hook line and sinker. Let's see how other reviews come out. I'm sure the DEFINTIVEA one will have the Z06 on top
Excuse me. Are we in Europe? So make an option here and run it. But then again, what would liquid and Irish say??
You must really like the furry ones if you think 5 sec is a cunt hair. Boo hoo for the Z06
Gotta love the reactions. Exactly what I was expecting. The domestic lovers coming in here defending their brand. (even though I happen to like the Z06 alot and get flamed for supporting them on other boards).
Stay calm bro. You took the bait hook line and sinker. Let's see how other reviews come out. I'm sure the DEFINTIVEA one will have the Z06 on top
You must really like the furry ones if you think 5 sec is a cunt hair. Boo hoo for the Z06
Gotta love the reactions. Exactly what I was expecting. The domestic lovers coming in here defending their brand. (even though I happen to like the Z06 alot and get flamed for supporting them on other boards).
Wow...either you are clinically retarded or just plain can't read. I'm not voting the latter either.
Let's re-examine what I stated shall we?
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and only got edged out by the GT-R by a cunt hair of a margin in the final analysis
I took the liberty of putting in bold the operative words here for you. I don't want to make this harder that it apparently is for you. IF you actually read through the entire article you'd have noticed the final scores, before price consideration, only had the GT-R ahead by ~2 points. THAT was the margin I was referring to. Since you came here to start **** and obviously have no intentions of decent technical discussion I'll leave it at that. The only thing that went as expected here was your ignorance and lack of reading comprehension. You stepped right up to the plate and swung for the bleachers there....
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I'm really glad you found some sort of solace in the anal beating the Z06 took on the track.
I'll just pretend that if it was the Z06 that came out on by 5 sec, you'd actually have the same analysis of the situation.
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Wow...either you are clinically retarded or just plain can't read. I'm not voting the latter either.
Let's re-examine what I stated shall we?
I took the liberty of putting in bold the operative words here for you. I don't want to make this harder that it apparently is for you. IF you actually read through the entire article you'd have noticed the final scores, before price consideration, only had the GT-R ahead by ~2 points. THAT was the margin I was referring to. Since you came here to start **** and obviously have no intentions of decent technical discussion I'll leave it at that. The only thing that went as expected here was your ignorance and lack of reading comprehension. You stepped right up to the plate and swung for the bleachers there....
(even though I happen to like the Z06 alot and get flamed for supporting them on other boards)
To this...
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I'm really glad you found some sort of solace in the anal beating the Z06 took on the track.
...makes you a liar and a juvenile nutswinger. I've never said one negative thing about the GT-R. You were waiting for just one comment that even hinted at support for the Z06 in that article and you burst into a masturbatory frenzy then try to play it off like you have always held the Z06 in some sort of regard. Not surprising it takes so little to pander your little ego huh?
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I can say something negative...the GTR at $20k markup is a ripoff I'd rather have a Z06 for $70k than a GTR for $100k. Of course I think a GTR > Z06 for same money but not THAT much better.
...makes you a liar and a juvenile nutswinger. I've never said one negative thing about the GT-R. You were waiting for just one comment that even hinted at support for the Z06 in that article and you burst into a masturbatory frenzy then try to play it off like you have always held the Z06 in some sort of regard. Not surprising it takes so little to pander your little ego huh?
I will keep this clean and objective--the fact that someone likes a car doesn't mean they can't acknowledge that it got anally raped by another car. I really like the Z06, that car is incredible. The fact remains that the GT-R DOMINATED this test, 5 seconds is a metric ASSLOAD of laptime difference. A 250hp Ariel Atom on r-comps is STILL 2 seconds shy of the GT-R's BW #13 track time.
I never said one thing negative about the Z06. But I'm not blinded enough about EITHER make not to see which got it's arse handed to itself.
Is getting beat by 5 sec something negative or a flat out fact? Let that sink in for a few moments before replying
At least my "nutswinging" car is 5 sec faster than your "nutswinging" car
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This...
To this...
...makes you a liar and a juvenile nutswinger. I've never said one negative thing about the GT-R. You were waiting for just one comment that even hinted at support for the Z06 in that article and you burst into a masturbatory frenzy then try to play it off like you have always held the Z06 in some sort of regard. Not surprising it takes so little to pander your little ego huh?
I never said one thing negative about the Z06. But I'm not blinded enough about EITHER make not to see which got it's arse handed to itself.
Don't make a liar out of yourself twice... I am far from a Z06 nutswinger but I can at least give credit where credit is due. You don't even have the common sense or decency to do that much...
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I like your view of "credit". The z06 got beat by 5 sec and you gave "credit" via a cunt hair. Wow Nissan should hire you as their director of marketing
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Don't make a liar out of yourself twice... I am far from a Z06 nutswinger but I can at least give credit where credit is due. You don't even have the common sense or decency to do that much...
I think a lot of us called this race months ago when the data was coming in that the GT-R was destroying records out at the Ring. Not to beat a dead horse, but I'm failing to see how the 200 UTOG Dunlops on the GTR give it a MASSIVE 5 second difference in a road course that has lots of straights where lateral grip is pretty meaningless. Like Jeff pointed out, all the tires outfitted on these three cars are in the 200-220 UTOG range which means none of them are remotely close to "race-spec" rubber. If you want to talk about street race-spec rubber, then look at the 140-160 UTOG rubber that came on stock EVOs. That's almost race rubber.
Additionally, the GT-R weighs about 300-500lbs more than the 911TT and Z06 and it's riding on narrower tires, especially out back. How in the world are the GTR's tires resulting in a 5-second advantage? I completely fail to see it.
Some of you are failing to understand that the GTR has probably one of the world's best sorted chassis' hence the reason it's kicking so much ***. It's not all in the tires.
The Z06 use to be the performance bargin, but the GTR undercuts it by $10K and the GTR absolutely destroys it in every contest except for acceleration above 70mph. Sure, dealer markups on the GTR are there, but that's not going to last forever. C5 and C6 Z06s were also selling above MSRP too for the first year. I still think the Z06 is totally badass, a bargin, and is better looking than the GTR, but the GTR is a far better performance car plus it can be driven in the snow (with snow rubber), and it has real utility for $10K less. The 911 is still my all time favoriate car and the 911 GT3 is my car of choice, even though it's a worse performer.
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I like your view of "credit". The z06 got beat by 5 sec and you gave "credit" via a cunt hair. Wow Nissan should hire you as their director of marketing
Once again your failure to understand what is put in front of your face is astounding. Go re-read (again) what I stated. If you still fail to understand what I meant then I'll re-post with a word-by-word explanation that even a 5 year old with Downs Syndrome could understand if that's what you need...
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The Z06 use to be the performance bargin, but the GTR undercuts it by $10K
Going by quoted prices the difference is $325. With the As Tested prices it's $6700 with the GT-R being estimated. Considering a GT-R should have a longer list of options than the Z06 a loaded one will probably cost about the same. Hardly a $10k undercut.
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Who did you give "credit" to again? Link? Quote? Oh that's right, you didn't.
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Once again your failure to understand what is put in front of your face is astounding. Go re-read (again) what I stated. If you still fail to understand what I meant then I'll re-post with a word-by-word explanation that even a 5 year old with Downs Syndrome could understand if that's what you need...
Maybe Chevrolet should rethink thier tire selection.. Run what you brung..
As far as aftermarket parts, and potential.. The GT-R is running at a very modest 11.8psi boost setting. I've been told that the injector/MAF/turbo combo is good for over 600hp. This car will be WICKED fast with a bump in boost pressure.
Who did you give "credit" to again? Link? Quote? Oh that's right, you didn't.
I do give credit to the Z06 for doing as well as it did given the competition. And if you had the capability to read what was in that article you'd have seen that Millen (along with most reasonable, open-minded people) does the same. Does that take anything away from the GT-R? Nope, not one bit. You are simply to blindsided by your own stupidity to comprehend what is right in front of you. Don't make your personal problem somebody else's...
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This happened a little while ago... http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/07/a...an-gt-r-crash/
Even with an advanced all-wheel-drive system, the Nissan GT-R must still be handle for some with its 480-horsepower twin-turbo 3.8L V6. Something like that must've been the case with the owner of this black GT-R, who has earned the distinctly displeasurable honor of being the first to crash a production Nissan GT-R. The location of the crash is unknown, though some forum goers have guessed Hong Kong. The circumstances surrounding the accident are also a mystery, though it's clear that the GT-R hit something almost head on and that its crumple zones do, in fact, work quite well. Hopefully we won't be posting about GT-Rs that bite the dust as often as we do Enzos, but clearly Nissan's new supercar needs to be respected by novice drivers.
The fact that you have "Honda Civic" written on the back of your car. And the fact that I have "Subaru Impreza WRX STi" written on the back of mine. Should precipitate your balls into shrinking, along with your presence. Now...Fook off!
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Okay you're giving the "due" credit to the car that lost overall and lost by 5 seconds on the track. If that's the credit "due" to the Z06, where's the credit for the GTR? Oh that's right. You never gave any and never intended to. Because you're a domestic bandwagoner though and though.
Did you take anything AWAY from the GTR? No. Then again, never said you did. Did you actually GIVE the GTR anything? No. And that's the point. All you did was try to give the Z06 as much credit as you could while not giving the GTR any whatsoever.
So you logic is either totally biased for flawed. Because to me, the credit should go to the winner. Especially when this is not even the upgraded GTR model like the Z06 is vs the normal Corvette. Especially when this the 1st time the GTR is being offered to the USA.
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I do give credit to the Z06 for doing as well as it did given the competition. And if you had the capability to read what was in that article you'd have seen that Millen (along with most reasonable, open-minded people) does the same. Does that take anything away from the GT-R? Nope, not one bit. You are simply to blindsided by your own stupidity to comprehend what is right in front of you. Don't make your personal problem somebody else's...
Okay you're giving the "due" credit to the car that lost overall and lost by 5 seconds on the track. If that's the credit "due" to the Z06, where's the credit for the GTR? Oh that's right. You never gave any and never intended to. Because you're a domestic bandwagoner though and though.
Did you take anything AWAY from the GTR? No. Then again, never said you did. Did you actually GIVE the GTR anything? No. And that's the point. All you did was try to give the Z06 as much credit as you could while not giving the GTR any whatsoever.
So you logic is either totally biased for flawed. Because to me, the credit should go to the winner. Especially when this is not even the upgraded GTR model like the Z06 is vs the normal Corvette. Especially when this the 1st time the GTR is being offered to the USA.
You so full of **** it's a wonder you can breathe... I'm a domestic bandwagonner? Gee...I own 2 imports and 1 domestic vehicle...once again you are a miserable failure on that point. I've given the GT-R all the credit it is due for setting the bar higher. You are just are just a piss poor excuse for an automotive enthusiast. You are so narrowly focused on ONE aspect of the article you completely ignore the other facts. The Z06 lost overall? I guess you failed to notice the 911 came in third place. Not surprised since you obviously have a knack for not being able to comprehend what is right in front of you. Ignorance is forgivable but being willingly ignorant is a serious character flaw. That you seem to be comfortable with that is even more pathetic. Obviously you are the one with the flawed logic. How can the GT-R NOT be compared to the Z06 instead of the base Corvette? The GT-R, as it stands now, is Nissan's flagship sports car. The Z06 is GM's flagship sports car. Well holy ****, we have a match... You are seriously screwed up over this article. Seek professional help.
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1) Where did you give ANY credit to the GTR? Quote? Link?
2) I focused on one aspect. The biggest one. It actually did well in ALL aspects thanks.
3) Exactly where did I say it "shouldn't" be compared?? Read it again, sparky. I said the GTR deserves credit because it beat the others AND it's not even the highest model that will be offered. Duh Maybe after the 2nd explaination, it will sink in.
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You so full of **** it's a wonder you can breathe... I'm a domestic bandwagonner? Gee...I own 2 imports and 1 domestic vehicle...once again you are a miserable failure on that point. I've given the GT-R all the credit it is due for setting the bar higher. You are just are just a piss poor excuse for an automotive enthusiast. You are so narrowly focused on ONE aspect of the article you completely ignore the other facts. The Z06 lost overall? I guess you failed to notice the 911 came in third place. Not surprised since you obviously have a knack for not being able to comprehend what is right in front of you. Ignorance is forgivable but being willingly ignorant is a serious character flaw. That you seem to be comfortable with that is even more pathetic. Obviously you are the one with the flawed logic. How can the GT-R NOT be compared to the Z06 instead of the base Corvette? The GT-R, as it stands now, is Nissan's flagship sports car. The Z06 is GM's flagship sports car. Well holy ****, we have a match... You are seriously screwed up over this article. Seek professional help.
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