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is it just me or do the wheels look abnormally massive. too big in my opinion. they look heavy as hell too.
something about them, its like they are too big and make the car sit too high.
when u make power the weight of a wheel isnt as important....
Look at all those weird mis-mash of shapes. The challenger concept is 1000X better. It actually has a style, instead of angular lumps. Chevy vs. dodge...all over again.
On the throttle
Granted clearance by the track monitors, we move out. The clutch's take-up is smooth. The cabin fills with the sound of the tuned exhaust and the familiar Tremec gear noise. Short shifting into 2nd gear, the all-aluminum 400-horsepower LS-2 V8 (lifted from a Corvette) pulls strongly. We had expected the concept to be a veritable rattletrap, being hand-assembled and all. And we love being wrong about things like this. A heavily modified Cadillac STS underpins the Camaro, and bits from many rear-wheel-drive General Motors vehicles were used to make the concept drivable. The result is surprisingly good and delivers a taut, virtually rattle-free ride.
While Chevrolet PR categorically forbade slaloming or full-throttle bursts of acceleration, Peters did let us push the car a bit. Steering response was crisp and cornering was pancake flat. The front struts were firmly calibrated, and the independent rear suspension tracked along as if it were painstakingly developed solely for this application. The huge 21- and 22-inch Goodyears did their jobs without protest. Performing as it always has, the 5.7-liter V8 provided far more power than we ventured to tap, fearing instant ejection from the grounds and permanent blacklisting by GM. Monster 14-inch front rotors easily burned off the modest speeds we achieved.
To that point, none of the gauges in the Camaro concept worked, so we don't know how fast we were driving. The climate control didn't work either. And the exterior and interior mirrors were fixed in spots that look great from the outside, but proved utterly useless for the driver. This is what driving a "concept" is like. The car's purpose is to point to what could be, not to be what could be.
After a good hour behind the wheel, we gave up the reins. Pressing the red button again killed the V8. We climbed out, seeing the threatening storm clouds gathering in the rural Michigan skies. Wanting to take in the shape one more time before it disappeared into its garage out of the rain, we turned its way a final time. With natural light spilling off its surfaces, the look was unmistakably Detroit. No other city could turn out a shape like this and call it their own.
Walking out with Peters, we ask the question he's fielded a thousand times since the Camaro concept's January introduction in Detroit: "So, are you going to build it?" Peters answers in kind, "If you were Bob Lutz or Rick Wagoner, what would you do? I mean, come on. After the reception this car has gotten…you answer that question for yourself."
We answer, "Yes." But that's always been our answer. It's time for the General to step up and make it official.
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Famous muscle car name will return to streets after a six year hiatus, says a newspaper report.
August 7 2006: 9:40 AM EDT
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The Chevrolet Camaro muscle car will join the Dodge Challenger in a return to production in the next couple of years, according to a newspaper report.
The official announcement will be made Thursday by General Motors chairman Rick Wagoner, the Detroit Free Press reported Sunday.
The production version could be built as early as 2008, the newspaper said.
The Camaro was introduced in 1966 to compete with the Ford Mustang that had been introduced two years earlier. It went out of production in 2002 along with its corporate sibling, the Pontiac Firebird.
A concept version of the Camaro was introduced in January at the 2006 North American International Auto Show in Detroit.
A concept version of a new Dodge Challenger was also introduced at that show. DaimlerChrysler announced in early July that the Challenger would be produced in 2008. That vehicle is based on an existing engineering platform, one already in use for the Chrysler 300 and the Dodge Magnum and Charger.
The new Chevrolet Camaro will be based on a new vehicle platform GM has engineered specifically for performance-oriented rear-wheel-drive cars.
Both the Camaro and Challenger as well as the Ford Mustang, which was restyled for the 2005 model year to resemble Mustangs from the late 1960s, tap into a nostalgia for the muscle car era of those years.
A new Dodge Charger, introduced in 2005, carried the name of one of the most famous cars of that era but was criticized by enthusiasts for its four-door body style. By the generally accepted definition, a muscle car should have only two doors.
Both the Camaro and Challenger will be two-door cars.
The Camaro will be made available with three engine choices,a V-6 and two V-8s, the newspaper said, citing people familiar with the plans.
Improvements in engine efficiency allow modern versions of these cars to get fuel economy that, while not stellar, is at least far better than it was in the 1960s and '70s. Still, some question the market for vehicles like these as gasoline prices rise beyond $3.00 a gallon.
No details about pricing are expected, according to the report.
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when u make power the weight of a wheel isnt as important....
in fact heavier (usually stronger) wheels are better so they(the spokes) don't get ripped off by the torque and power of the engine, If I am not mistaken.
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Brian Smith does it again, he's an incredible designer, he did the Cadillac sixteen as well, I can't wait for it to come out, it could save GM if it's descently priced and has the required backing/ advertising
When Chevrolet revealed its stunning Camaro coupe concept at last January’s North American International Auto Show in Detroit, General Motors only left one question unanswered.
No, we’re not talking about whether GM would approve production of the back-from-the-dead pony car—that was a given, at least unofficially, before the car even rolled onto the show stage. The bigger question was how Chevy planned to sustain interest in its all-new muscle machine for three years between the reveal and the projected early-2009 on-sale date.
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there is supposed to be one with the ls7 , and is estimated to run mid 11s
A current Z06 with a decent driver runs mid-11's....no way the Camaro will perform at nearly that level given the considerable amount of weight it will have over the Z06 with that engine...low-12's, sure. This will not be a light car by any means. The new Mustangs and the Challenger are not lightweight cars and this Camaro will follow suit. They may shoehorn the LS7 into a very limited production GMPP version...they need too as there is already such a variant of the GT's and the Challenger will surely get an SRT-8 version. V6, 5.3L V8, and 6.0 V8 are pretty much sure bets. I doubt they will uprate an LS7 as it already is considerably more powerful than the LS2...be the same 505hp/470lb-ft SAE rated engine if it gets one at all.
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A current Z06 with a decent driver runs mid-11's....no way the Camaro will perform at nearly that level given the considerable amount of weight it will have over the Z06 with that engine...low-12's, sure. This will not be a light car by any means. The new Mustangs and the Challenger are not lightweight cars and this Camaro will follow suit. They may shoehorn the LS7 into a very limited production GMPP version...they need too as there is already such a variant of the GT's and the Challenger will surely get an SRT-8 version. V6, 5.3L V8, and 6.0 V8 are pretty much sure bets. I doubt they will uprate an LS7 as it already is considerably more powerful than the LS2...be the same 505hp/470lb-ft SAE rated engine if it gets one at all.
The challenger is most likely going to be V8 only. Probably 5.7 and 6.1. They cannot produce it with a V6 and be cheap enough to go head to head with the Muffstain. Chevy will probably have to take a loss or make zero $ on the the V6 Camaro to compete with the V6 stang. All of this is per Motor Trend or Automobile mag, can't remember which. The mustang is just so cheap.
All of this is per Motor Trend or Automobile mag, can't remember which. The mustang is just so cheap.
Motor Trend and Auto Mag are far from good choices for info concerning cars like these. Both DCX and GM are pinning these cars to take market share away from Ford in the pony car market. GM more so than DCX probably. Both have global V6's and are either using or developing platforms that can easily be used and more than cost effective because they are already in use. For some reason some enthusiasts just do not understand the markets these types of vehicles cater too...they get it in their heads that these vehicles should only be highly optioned and have V8's and they'll still sell in high volumes. That has never been the case. Dodge can get away with just 5.7 and 6.1/6.4L models and keep them low volume...they have enough stop gap platforms to get around. Maybe after the introductory year they can expand the line-up with a V6 and a high-po (500+ hp) SRT. GM...no...they need a V6 version for mainstream circulation and it can be profitable.
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Motor Trend and Auto Mag are far from good choices for info concerning cars like these. Both DCX and GM are pinning these cars to take market share away from Ford in the pony car market. GM more so than DCX probably. Both have global V6's and are either using or developing platforms that can easily be used and more than cost effective because they are already in use. For some reason some enthusiasts just do not understand the markets these types of vehicles cater too...they get it in their heads that these vehicles should only be highly optioned and have V8's and they'll still sell in high volumes. That has never been the case. Dodge can get away with just 5.7 and 6.1/6.4L models and keep them low volume...they have enough stop gap platforms to get around. Maybe after the introductory year they can expand the line-up with a V6 and a high-po (500+ hp) SRT. GM...no...they need a V6 version for mainstream circulation and it can be profitable.
The camaro will be much easier, it will share its platform with a LOT of other cars. The challenger, not so much. I understand that V6's sell the model, not V8's. If there's a better place to get automotive news than magazine's and websites, I'd like to know your inside source.
Chop, chop
We don't want to understate what the folks at GM design have done here, but the convertible concept is, in effect, a coupe with its top chopped off.
And we mean the company literally chopped the top off. The team, headed by Exterior Designer Tom Peters, popped a fresh fiberglass Camaro-coupe-concept body out of the mold used for last year's showcar and got to cutting.
It is a testament to the tedious and time-consuming detail work of the design team that the car doesn't really look much different from the coupe. Although the doors and front end are unchanged from the coupe, the upper half of the car's rear section is entirely different. According to Peters, if you measured down 2 inches from the top of the rear fenders, everything above that line is new.
Consider the rear spoiler, for example. The one on the convertible looks the same as the little lip on the trailing edge of the coupe, but it's not. It's shorter and is set at a different angle to the rear deck. This and thousands of other minute contouring changes are aimed, paradoxically, at making the convertible look like the coupe — making it appear as if you could construct your own version given only a Camaro coupe and a reciprocating saw. To endure a description of each example of surface-change minutia, one would have to be paid a great deal of money by General Motors.
The new production Chevrolet Camaro coupe will go on sale in January '09. The production convertible will follow in October '09. They'll be built on the new Zeta rear-drive architecture, which is a very refined version of the current platform. A V6 version with about 250 hp will be the base offering in both body styles. The LS2 V8, with 400 hp along with the familiar Tremec T-56 six-speed manual, will be the upgrade powertrain. GM insiders tell us there are already special editions planned. One will be a super coupe, perhaps called SS, powered by a 505-hp LS7 V8. Yes, the same engine currently available only in the Z06 Corvette.
Then there is talk of building 69 examples of a ZL-1 edition — the same number of all-aluminum 427 big-block COPO cars built in 1969, in honor of the 45th anniversary of the legendary Chevy big-block. In fact, the engines for this special edition will be cast from the same tooling that was used for 1969 engines, the tooling recently rescued from a scrap heap at the GM Tech Center.
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When are they going to release it? or are they waiting to see what Ford does, like always! I think this copy cat car was supposed to be out last year originally, now what is it? 2009.
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From seeing this car in person I am pretty sure I can say I like this car better. But I dont think the final production car will look like this. This concept has like 21in rims in the back with 20s up front or maybe 19s. It has independent rear suspension, the whole interior is all silver chrome (like a TON of it) that matches the exterior.. From seeing it I dont believe they would actually make a car that has that much BLING on it. They are just creating concepts to get people excited. Chances are the real car will have like 18s and a much less flashy interior but it should still keep most of the same body lines
I agree. Remember the concept pics of the new Mustangs?? Remember what they looked like when they were produced?? The concept was on 22s with no fender gap and had a really nice aggressive stance. The production car came out with crappy wheels and 4x4 suspension. I can't imagine the production looking that aggressive. The body will probably be close to that but don't expect the same stance or wheels or cool interior trim.
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MELBOURNE, Australia — Chevrolet's 2009 Camaro concept car made its debut at the 2006 Detroit Auto Show and now two long years later, a lucky amateur photographer managed to snap the first spy shots of a group of Camaro prototypes testing near Melbourne, Australia with GM's Holden group.
The 2009 Camaro is based on GM's global rear-wheel-drive architecture, which also underpin's Holden's VE Commodore range of cars, so testing Down Under is no big surprise. Neither is seeing the Camaro running with Ford Mustangs. It's just proof that Chevrolet has the Ford coupe directly in its sights.
Official specifications for the production car have not yet been released, but the Camaro concept was outfitted with a 400-horsepower all-aluminum 6.0-liter V8 mated to a six-speed manual transmission, plus an Active Fuel Management system that can shut down cylinders for better mileage on the highway. And unlike every other Camaro before it, the concept featured an independent rear suspension for improved handling.
Chevy's 2009 Camaro is expected to reach showrooms in early 2009.
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.. but ill settle for a 69 rs/ss..
I think this copy cat car was supposed to be out last year originally, now what is it? 2009.
No, it was set as an '09 as soon as production was announced.
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