Ok....who wants another group deal on the Viper 791XV alarms
04-29-2004, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by PearlWhtMaX2000
do these have a light up/vibrate option or no??
Opti-I am only doing the deal with the one remote thing... I cannot get the extra remotes for this GD...maybe next one....
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04-29-2004, 02:45 PM
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Ok guys, need your opinions here, I was just quoted $400 to buy this alarm from an alarm place I have dealt with for years including installation. He's giving me the alarm for $200 and installation for another $200. Is this a good deal? and why is installation so expensive? Thanks for your help. Not trying to get away from this GD or thread but just need some opinions, sorry.
04-29-2004, 03:00 PM
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well, i hear an alarm is only as good as da installation cuz that is crucial to make sure all da features are electrically reliable and work properly. especially with all da user settings that they have. i'm guessing that's y installation cost so much
04-30-2004, 08:57 AM
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ok i have a few questions.
1)is there any other unit out there thats better than this or offers more features?
2)what features comes with this unit? remote start, ignition kill, window roll up and down, shock sensor, glass sensro, vibration sensor, are those included? what other features besides those? basically, what makes this unit so good and how does it protect the car.
3) how much should i expect for installation?
thx alot
1)is there any other unit out there thats better than this or offers more features?
2)what features comes with this unit? remote start, ignition kill, window roll up and down, shock sensor, glass sensro, vibration sensor, are those included? what other features besides those? basically, what makes this unit so good and how does it protect the car.
3) how much should i expect for installation?
thx alot
04-30-2004, 09:23 AM
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1) Not that I'm aware of in the price range
2) Features:
http://www.drdetailshop.com/V791XV.htm
3) I am being charged 130-160 here in PHX...
Alex
2) Features:
http://www.drdetailshop.com/V791XV.htm
3) I am being charged 130-160 here in PHX...
Alex
05-01-2004, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by MaximaFastness
Ok guys, need your opinions here, I was just quoted $400 to buy this alarm from an alarm place I have dealt with for years including installation. He's giving me the alarm for $200 and installation for another $200. Is this a good deal? and why is installation so expensive? Thanks for your help. Not trying to get away from this GD or thread but just need some opinions, sorry.
05-03-2004, 02:05 PM
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dei will in fact honor the warranty. i know this because i have bought and installed a dei alram that later went bad; all i did was call dei and very politely inform them that i bought the alarm from a dealer and installed it myself and that i had tested the unit and found the problem to be the siren output. they told me to send them the brain and remotes to an adress, and within a work week i had in my hands a brand new brain and remotes (they even gave me an extra antenna). you just have to be very polite. however, you have to call their warranty department directly and that number is not readily available. i forget how it is that i got it but i think it was from a dealer (i called several and only one would give it to me).
05-05-2004, 07:24 AM
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Um...ok...well....we have 24 paid (including me)....still waiting for six more...I will NOT purchase/pay for them unless we have 30 (remember, price goes up), so I have contacted the people who said they wanted one but didn't pay. If you have any questions, just e-mail me at
alex@southwestautoworks.com
Thanks
Alex
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Thanks
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05-05-2004, 08:43 AM
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Yup....paypal to
sales@southwestautoworks.com
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05-05-2004, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Max8MyCash
Yup....paypal to
sales@southwestautoworks.com
sales@southwestautoworks.com
If ya need me to be #30 let me know.
05-05-2004, 05:23 PM
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Sorry it took me so long to pay. I was one of the first to show interest in this GD, and probably one of the last to pay. But, hopefully it was worth the wait. I obviously wanted one for myself. I put a 790XV in my sisters car about 6 months ago and she has just decided to sell the car, and will probably leave it in there, so she needs a replacement. And, I told a work buddy that owns a Maxima about the deal and he wanted me to get one for him. So, I just sent payment for 3. Hopefully that puts us right up on the 30 mark. Thanks again for organizing this GD. It's a good one.
05-05-2004, 05:41 PM
#110
OK, I wasn't going to do this but now I'm reconsidering. Anyone in the know please answer:
1. How easy is this to install PROPERLY? Does it come with complete instructions? I'm pretty handy but I don't know a lot about wiring.
2. How easy is it to install without the remote start (I'm assuming this is easy).
3. How easy is it to disable the clutch depression sensor and install a gear shifter position sensor so the remote starter knows when my MT is in neutral?
4. How good is this alarm? Is this one of the best alarms you can buy for your car, or is it upper mid-range, or what? Given that it's only $200 it seems like it couldn't be the cream of the crop but what do I know.
I might be in for this deal. At half the price of an officially installed and warranteed Viper, it seems like it's worth it. As long as I can install it properly, I don't have to worry about anyone stealing my car....
1. How easy is this to install PROPERLY? Does it come with complete instructions? I'm pretty handy but I don't know a lot about wiring.
2. How easy is it to install without the remote start (I'm assuming this is easy).
3. How easy is it to disable the clutch depression sensor and install a gear shifter position sensor so the remote starter knows when my MT is in neutral?
4. How good is this alarm? Is this one of the best alarms you can buy for your car, or is it upper mid-range, or what? Given that it's only $200 it seems like it couldn't be the cream of the crop but what do I know.
I might be in for this deal. At half the price of an officially installed and warranteed Viper, it seems like it's worth it. As long as I can install it properly, I don't have to worry about anyone stealing my car....
: 1,2,3,4
05-05-2004, 08:07 PM
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Did you even read the posts so far Masaccio? I know I have answered pretty much all your questions myself, let alone everyone else who has posted on this thread. But, here you go. One more time.
Ans: Alarms are fairly difficult to install. Even though a 791XV is very installer friendly, there is a lot to them. I install alarms and other stereo equiptment at Circuit City. It's my job to be good at this kind of stuff, and I still think they are a little tough. I do not recommend installing your own unless you know what you are doing. The alarm won't work properly unless you have it installed properly. That's why most of the people being quoted for installs range from $120-$200. It's close to an all day job for an experienced professional. They do come with complete installation instructions for where the alarm wires go, but it's all in technical writing. And it won't tell you what color wire to conect it to in your car or where the wire is. That's up to the installer to figure out because every car is different. I definately don't recommend doing it yourself. You will run into many problems and not have anywhere to turn.
Ans: This eliminates a lot of the harder wires to find, but still doesn't make it easy to do. There will still be about 20-30 wires to connect.
Ans: Installing remote starters on a manual transmission car is illegal. Obviously it can be done, but it is dangerous. Basically, you just find the wire that tells your car that the clutch isn't pressed and keeps the car from starting without the cluch depressed and eliminate it (cut, or make a jumper). This will make it so that you never need to press the clutch when starting. The dangerous side to this is that if the car is left in gear, it will stall, restart, stall, restart, stall.... And you all know what happens when you stall - jerking forward and rolling (brake won't be pressed). I put a remote start on my sisters car (Viper 790XV) and there has only been one incident where this was a problem. Her friend tried to remote start it after getting it back from the shop and my sister ran to keep her car from rolling into the building and it almost remote started again which would have pinned her between the car and the building. Luckily she didn't panic and just grabbed the remote and cancelled the remote start. I don't know of any sensors that will tell the remote starter that the MT is in neutral, but this would be a good option if you can find one. I personally don't think anything like this exists or is even possible. Remote starters on MT cars wouldn't be a problem if this was something like this. I am sure alarm companies have though of this as an option.
Ans. This alarm retails for approx. $500-$800 installed at most retailers. The 791XV is the top of the line Viper, which is one of the best if not the best alarm company out there. That's what makes this GD such an awesome deal.
Hope that helps. Sorry all my posts in this thread are always so long. I just have a lot of info regarding this topic. Any more questions anybody, feel free to ask me.
Originally Posted by Masaccio
1. How easy is this to install PROPERLY? Does it come with complete instructions? I'm pretty handy but I don't know a lot about wiring.
Originally Posted by Masaccio
2. How easy is it to install without the remote start (I'm assuming this is easy).
Originally Posted by Masaccio
3. How easy is it to disable the clutch depression sensor and install a gear shifter position sensor so the remote starter knows when my MT is in neutral?
Originally Posted by Masaccio
4. How good is this alarm? Is this one of the best alarms you can buy for your car, or is it upper mid-range, or what? Given that it's only $200 it seems like it couldn't be the cream of the crop but what do I know.
Hope that helps. Sorry all my posts in this thread are always so long. I just have a lot of info regarding this topic. Any more questions anybody, feel free to ask me.
05-06-2004, 04:34 AM
#116
I did read the entire thread but some things were unclear...thanks so much for clarifying RyanTaylorClark.
I think at this point I don't need the alarm enough to justify all the trouble, despite the great discount here. Have fun with your new alarms, all.
I think at this point I don't need the alarm enough to justify all the trouble, despite the great discount here. Have fun with your new alarms, all.
05-06-2004, 04:39 AM
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Ok... some common misconceptions have been made about the alarm and integration into a manual transmission. Also, some people, including installers, are telling people to wire up their cars using a jumper wire on the clutch wire. This is wrong. So I'm here to help show you how it should be done properly.
First, for the remote start, you'll need to check the ESM for your car. Not the Chiltons or Haynes manual, but the true Nissan ESM. Look in the transmission section of the ESM for a PNP wire. That stands for "Park-Neutral Position". That wire attaches to the transmission on one end, and the ECU on the other end. For the 5th gens, it's pin #44 at the ECU. Keep reading in the ESM about this wire, and you should find that it shows ground when the shifter is in neutral, but should show either +5v or +12v when the car is in gear. You can tap this wire and diode isolate the tapped wire. Then hook the tapped wire up to the toggle switch for the remote start. Using this method, your car will not start when it is in gear, because the alarm never recieves a ground signal from the toggle switch wire. I have tested this setup extensively, and even have it operational on my car.
Secondly, the clutch bypass should NEVER be done using a jumper wire. This is defeating the purpose of pressing the clutch. When you use a clutch jumper wire, you can start the car without pressing the clutch ANYTIME, even when not remote starting the car. This is dangerous if someone else drives your car and forgets that it's a manual. They start the car without pressing the clutch and boom... the car jumps.
The PROPER way to wire up the clutch bypass is to hook up a relay (pin 85) to the "(-) status output wire", which for the Viper 791XV is the "H3/1 Blue/White" wire. Connect the relay's (pin 86) to a fused, +12v source. Hook up pin 30 to one of the 2 wires connected to the clutch assembly. Hook up pin 87 to the other clutch wire.
When the alarm activates, it'll send out a ground signal on the "(-) status output" wire. This should energize the relay and allow the clutch wire to be "jumpered" during the remote start running period. When the remote start is not used, the relay won't be energized, so you'll still have to press the clutch pedal down.
While this is obviously alot more work, it IS one of the proper ways to bypass the clutch during the remote start.
And for those who care, I'm installing one about 2 weeks from now on a 5th gen. I plan on doing a full write-up, including pictures, wire colors, etc. The vehicle is an automatic, but I'll provide diagrams on how to bypass the clutch as described above.
I'll post a thread in the 5th gen forum as well as the audio/electronics forum when the install is completed.
First, for the remote start, you'll need to check the ESM for your car. Not the Chiltons or Haynes manual, but the true Nissan ESM. Look in the transmission section of the ESM for a PNP wire. That stands for "Park-Neutral Position". That wire attaches to the transmission on one end, and the ECU on the other end. For the 5th gens, it's pin #44 at the ECU. Keep reading in the ESM about this wire, and you should find that it shows ground when the shifter is in neutral, but should show either +5v or +12v when the car is in gear. You can tap this wire and diode isolate the tapped wire. Then hook the tapped wire up to the toggle switch for the remote start. Using this method, your car will not start when it is in gear, because the alarm never recieves a ground signal from the toggle switch wire. I have tested this setup extensively, and even have it operational on my car.
Secondly, the clutch bypass should NEVER be done using a jumper wire. This is defeating the purpose of pressing the clutch. When you use a clutch jumper wire, you can start the car without pressing the clutch ANYTIME, even when not remote starting the car. This is dangerous if someone else drives your car and forgets that it's a manual. They start the car without pressing the clutch and boom... the car jumps.
The PROPER way to wire up the clutch bypass is to hook up a relay (pin 85) to the "(-) status output wire", which for the Viper 791XV is the "H3/1 Blue/White" wire. Connect the relay's (pin 86) to a fused, +12v source. Hook up pin 30 to one of the 2 wires connected to the clutch assembly. Hook up pin 87 to the other clutch wire.
When the alarm activates, it'll send out a ground signal on the "(-) status output" wire. This should energize the relay and allow the clutch wire to be "jumpered" during the remote start running period. When the remote start is not used, the relay won't be energized, so you'll still have to press the clutch pedal down.
While this is obviously alot more work, it IS one of the proper ways to bypass the clutch during the remote start.
And for those who care, I'm installing one about 2 weeks from now on a 5th gen. I plan on doing a full write-up, including pictures, wire colors, etc. The vehicle is an automatic, but I'll provide diagrams on how to bypass the clutch as described above.
I'll post a thread in the 5th gen forum as well as the audio/electronics forum when the install is completed.