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Old 03-30-2008, 05:40 AM   #1
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cvt sucks

i work on these cars for a living and i have to say that the cvt sucks.nissan cut the balls off there cars with the cvt. and the longevity is questionable. i really miss the 5spd auto. look at toyota and honda. no cvt in the accord or camry!!
and just so you guys know anytime i hear someone changes fluid in say a murano the dam thing needs a tranny!!! for instance nissan has a service bulliten on the murano for a shifting code. we had three come into my shop by 3 different techs. the message states reprogram tcm, and replace valve body. means drain fluid to remove pan (to gain access to valve body). all 3 had service message done and all 3 needed new trannys. a cvt is almost 4000 dollars!!!plus labor.
what i'm saying is the new cvts don't like the fluid changed, if you flush your tranny in at say 150k miles there is a risk of needing a tranny. the vehicle will not move..just thought you guys should be aware of future costly problems of the cvt.i could be wrong but this is my experiance with the cvt and its what i've heard at other local nissan dealers.
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hmm.. thanx for the info, as the new maxima has a CVT and i was thinking about getting it later down th road... anybody else have anything to add about this issue?
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CVT is computer-controlled.

Nissan computers are not the most reliable out there.

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Ive always said that about the cvt, id be interested to see how they run at 150k+ i guess we will have to wait an see. Although my GF's honda accord has a 5spd auto in it which i must admit it a damn good tranny. The best ive seen in years, for economy anyway.
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I was just kind of disapointed with the whole concept of a CVT. Why would you try to complicate and fix something that aint broken. My 98 GLE has 200K and still shifts like it's brand new, all I do is change the fluid and filter once a year or so. It's not complicated. I knew when I first saw that CVT commercial, that there would be problems with that tranny. Nissan has gotten away from what made me love Nissan.
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I'm a little dissappointed that the CVT is all that is offered. I know that topic has been beat to death, so no need in opening that can of worms.....

I liked the 5spd-auto and the 6spd manual. I may be buying 4th, 5th and 6th gens from now on.
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I think some people seem to be over reacting, modern car with all the new technology are year ahead of the old school/back yard mechanics, engines are no longer heavy duty, you can't beat on them and neglect to change the oil and the same with new transmissions, they need the fluid changed but if you wait 3 times longer then your suppose to no wonder the things fail.

I don't really believe the whole CVT suck just because, Toyota Prius have been around for over 10 years and they have always had CVT and their are hybrids going over 200k.

I've read it many times that newer cars require more frequent maintenance and because newer cars cost more owners neglect and put it off and then it's to late
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Nissan just needs to figure out the problems and bugs in this system, thats all. Very innovative if you really think about it.
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i work on these cars for a living and i have to say that the cvt sucks.nissan cut the balls off there cars with the cvt. and the longevity is questionable. i really miss the 5spd auto. look at toyota and honda. no cvt in the accord or camry!!
and just so you guys know anytime i hear someone changes fluid in say a murano the dam thing needs a tranny!!! for instance nissan has a service bulliten on the murano for a shifting code. we had three come into my shop by 3 different techs. the message states reprogram tcm, and replace valve body. means drain fluid to remove pan (to gain access to valve body). all 3 had service message done and all 3 needed new trannys. a cvt is almost 4000 dollars!!!plus labor.
what i'm saying is the new cvts don't like the fluid changed, if you flush your tranny in at say 150k miles there is a risk of needing a tranny. the vehicle will not move..just thought you guys should be aware of future costly problems of the cvt.i could be wrong but this is my experiance with the cvt and its what i've heard at other local nissan dealers.
would be interesting to know what mileage intervals the owners changed the fluid at, BMW transmission with lifetime fluid fail at about 120k with no fluid changes.

Since your a tech, what does Nissan say about it's own vehicles with failing CVT after a Nissan dealer changes the fluid.

I know techs generally see the best and worst of a make and generally techs don't drive what they work on
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Funny because TWO Nissan Master Techs I know have nothing but good things to say about the CVT...
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Nissan just needs to figure out the problems and bugs in this system, thats all. Very innovative if you really think about it.
actually CVT is old technology. just hasn't been used in production cars in a long time.
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look at toyota and honda. no cvt in the accord or camry!!

I thought CVT=VTEC=VVT-i or at least it's a similar idea
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I thought CVT=VTEC=VVT-i or at least it's a similar idea
CVT= continuously variable transmission

not valve train stuff
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not valve train stuff


my bad. i was thinking continuously valve timing or something to that sort
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Unsure about the accord but every Toyota/Lexus Hybrid vehicle has a CVT
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CVT has been in snowmobiles for years mopeds all kinds of stuff. But for a car i hate it. I drove a car with cvt and its just not the same. For an econobox(prius) something with no power i can see it lasting along time. But a car that makes more than 10ft/lbs of torque i cant see it lasting.
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CVT is computer-controlled.

Nissan computers are not the most reliable out there.

Figure it out.

:P this is why you should go megasquirt

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oh and that cvt stuff

theres only one good cvt.

and thats a simple cvt.

and no one can perfect it yet :P

its two balls that rotate to increase / decrease gear ratio

check it out

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CVT has been in snowmobiles for years mopeds all kinds of stuff. But for a car i hate it. I drove a car with cvt and its just not the same. For an econobox(prius) something with no power i can see it lasting along time. But a car that makes more than 10ft/lbs of torque i cant see it lasting.
CVTs are used in buses and "heavy equipment" for construction. I think they can handle the torque.

According to the internetz, Nissan's been using CVTs in production vehicles for 16 years now.

And not having to change the fluid so often sounds pretty nice.
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Nissan computers are not the most reliable out there.

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I'll bet to differ! Nissan Computers in the previous Maximas from gen1 -5 were outstanding unless the end user screwed it up! I use to own a Mitsubishi and I know they've got the most fragile ECU of all the Japanese automakers! I've got a 86.5 Hardbody with the original ECU with 321,000 miles and counting! I'm in Houston and one of the ecu repair shops hip me to the truth! Good luck trying to find a Nissan ecu you'll have to find a wreck duplicate with the same options! I've got 2 Maximas, 1 hardbody, and owned another 00' that we kept 3 yrs B4 upgrading to a 03' and they've alway been really good reliable cars!
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oh and that cvt stuff

theres only one good cvt.

and thats a simple cvt.

and no one can perfect it yet :P

its two balls that rotate to increase / decrease gear ratio

check it out

that looks like something Plato designed.
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I think some people seem to be over reacting, modern car with all the new technology are year ahead of the old school/back yard mechanics, engines are no longer heavy duty, you can't beat on them and neglect to change the oil and the same with new transmissions, they need the fluid changed but if you wait 3 times longer then your suppose to no wonder the things fail.

I don't really believe the whole CVT suck just because, Toyota Prius have been around for over 10 years and they have always had CVT and their are hybrids going over 200k.

I've read it many times that newer cars require more frequent maintenance and because newer cars cost more owners neglect and put it off and then it's to late
It seems to me that the thinking is a little off. Older cars could be neglected to some degree.
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You now see oil changes at 5,000, spark plus and tranny flushes at 100,000 miles. I see that technology has allowed us to go longer in between maintaining our cars. I agree that you shouldn't push your car past those numbers, and when you do the maintainence, you should do it the right when WHEN IT'S DUE. Abuse anything and it isn't bound to last too long.
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that looks like something Plato designed.
I think it's Leonardo da Vinci but I could be wrong
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yeah im not feeling the cvt neither but you gotto think. do you really think a major automaker would put a transmission on almost all of their popular vehicles that they know will go bad and hurt sales and loose their loyal customers? intelligent autos are the new thing(gt-r,evo x) so i think nissan should put something like a gr-r ir sinething that kinda use the same technology.
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i work on these cars for a living and i have to say that the cvt sucks.nissan cut the balls off there cars with the cvt. and the longevity is questionable. i really miss the 5spd auto. look at toyota and honda. no cvt in the accord or camry!!
and just so you guys know anytime i hear someone changes fluid in say a murano the dam thing needs a tranny!!! for instance nissan has a service bulliten on the murano for a shifting code. we had three come into my shop by 3 different techs. the message states reprogram tcm, and replace valve body. means drain fluid to remove pan (to gain access to valve body). all 3 had service message done and all 3 needed new trannys. a cvt is almost 4000 dollars!!!plus labor.
what i'm saying is the new cvts don't like the fluid changed, if you flush your tranny in at say 150k miles there is a risk of needing a tranny. the vehicle will not move..just thought you guys should be aware of future costly problems of the cvt.i could be wrong but this is my experiance with the cvt and its what i've heard at other local nissan dealers.
What nissan dealer do you work for? I did the CVT fuild on my Moms murano at 30k per the book. The fuild is expensive ($18.00 a qt) as you know but other than that it seems seems fine.
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i work on these cars for a living and i have to say that the cvt sucks.nissan cut the balls off there cars with the cvt. and the longevity is questionable. i really miss the 5spd auto. look at toyota and honda. no cvt in the accord or camry!!
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what i'm saying is the new cvts don't like the fluid changed, if you flush your tranny in at say 150k miles there is a risk of needing a tranny. the vehicle will not move..just thought you guys should be aware of future costly problems of the cvt.i could be wrong but this is my experiance with the cvt and its what i've heard at other local nissan dealers.
you say people are changing the oil at 150k and having problems,could you tell me what k these people are supposed to be changing the cvt oil and if they did it at the proper k would they have the same problem,also could you tell me if a back yarder can change his own oil in the cvt.thanks sr123
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you say people are changing the oil at 150k and having problems,could you tell me what k these people are supposed to be changing the cvt oil and if they did it at the proper k would they have the same problem,also could you tell me if a back yarder can change his own oil in the cvt.thanks sr123
Traditional transmissions with 4, 5 and 6 gears etc... will shut down at 150k with a flush, I would stick to the normal maintenance schedule, CVT are just a new spin on technology with Auto trans

I read several reviews from well know online posters on different forums and all said the same thing, at 1st you don't know the 09 Maxima has a CVT, it has shifts programed into it
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Old 09-18-2008, 11:28 PM   #40
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Why anyone would buy a Maxima without three pedals is beyond on me.
Couldn't find one quickly enough. My old car (Mazda 626) got totaled and once your car is declared a total (at least in Texas) then insurance is no longer obligated to pay for your rental even if they haven't paid your claim. 3 weeks of rental was enough. I am on the lookout for a low mileage 6 speed 5.5 gen.

Unless Nissan puts a proper 6 speed in the 7th gen Maxima, my next car will probably be a 6 speed VQ35 Altima coupe instead.
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