RADAR Detectors (merged threads)
#41
here is a good article on the Escort 8500, Bel 980, K40 and the Valentine V1. It shows full specs and features.
http://www.radartest.com/article.asp?articleID=1064
http://www.radartest.com/article.asp?articleID=1064
#42
If you are thinking about the battery powered ones just hard wire it. It is probably one of the easiest mods possible. It makes it look cleaner and lets you still have the lighter free.
Some of those ratings put more into ergonomics or useless features. The V1 does not have tons of flashy features but it detects radar. I have also taken X band off since no cops around here use it. That makes it a lot quieter so I can take seriously when it beeps.
Yeah it is still the V1. They are on version 1.8 now so they should come out with a 2.0 pretty soon. I have no idea if they will call it Valentine 2 or what.
Some of those ratings put more into ergonomics or useless features. The V1 does not have tons of flashy features but it detects radar. I have also taken X band off since no cops around here use it. That makes it a lot quieter so I can take seriously when it beeps.
Yeah it is still the V1. They are on version 1.8 now so they should come out with a 2.0 pretty soon. I have no idea if they will call it Valentine 2 or what.
#43
v1 hands down
if your not getting this goto radiocrap and buy one for 50 bucks.
and a radar detector does was it says...once it beeps he already has you unless it bounced off another object. also if your next to a big truck it would pick up the truck and not you...learned that from a x-state trooper, he said it always pics up the larger object and he laughs at radar detectors...also last he heard the state troopers used the instant on feature where they just zap you because its more accurate then passively scanning everything....
if your not getting this goto radiocrap and buy one for 50 bucks.
and a radar detector does was it says...once it beeps he already has you unless it bounced off another object. also if your next to a big truck it would pick up the truck and not you...learned that from a x-state trooper, he said it always pics up the larger object and he laughs at radar detectors...also last he heard the state troopers used the instant on feature where they just zap you because its more accurate then passively scanning everything....
#44
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well unless you are seriously out of luck, the price of the V1 equals 3 tickets on average. the 8500 would be my choice, in a few months once i actually have time to go somewhere.
got money to burn, go V1. next best thing (and by a slim margin too) the 8500.
got money to burn, go V1. next best thing (and by a slim margin too) the 8500.
#45
Originally Posted by Torgus
v1 hands down
if your not getting this goto radiocrap and buy one for 50 bucks.
and a radar detector does was it says...once it beeps he already has you unless it bounced off another object. also if your next to a big truck it would pick up the truck and not you...learned that from a x-state trooper, he said it always pics up the larger object and he laughs at radar detectors...also last he heard the state troopers used the instant on feature where they just zap you because its more accurate then passively scanning everything....
if your not getting this goto radiocrap and buy one for 50 bucks.
and a radar detector does was it says...once it beeps he already has you unless it bounced off another object. also if your next to a big truck it would pick up the truck and not you...learned that from a x-state trooper, he said it always pics up the larger object and he laughs at radar detectors...also last he heard the state troopers used the instant on feature where they just zap you because its more accurate then passively scanning everything....
This was the reason I got caught, that instant on feature...and I agree V1 is the heat...but if your on a budget...it's not bad to get one from radioshack. They all do the same thing.
#48
Originally Posted by h2kSPiG
If you are thinking about the battery powered ones just hard wire it. It is probably one of the easiest mods possible. It makes it look cleaner and lets you still have the lighter free.
Some of those ratings put more into ergonomics or useless features. The V1 does not have tons of flashy features but it detects radar. I have also taken X band off since no cops around here use it. That makes it a lot quieter so I can take seriously when it beeps.
Yeah it is still the V1. They are on version 1.8 now so they should come out with a 2.0 pretty soon. I have no idea if they will call it Valentine 2 or what.
Some of those ratings put more into ergonomics or useless features. The V1 does not have tons of flashy features but it detects radar. I have also taken X band off since no cops around here use it. That makes it a lot quieter so I can take seriously when it beeps.
Yeah it is still the V1. They are on version 1.8 now so they should come out with a 2.0 pretty soon. I have no idea if they will call it Valentine 2 or what.
#49
Originally Posted by Phatmax98
This was the reason I got caught, that instant on feature...and I agree V1 is the heat...but if your on a budget...it's not bad to get one from radioshack. They all do the same thing.
#50
Originally Posted by Torgus
once it beeps he already has you unless it bounced off another object.
Originally Posted by charliekilo3
The version number will change to whatever they want to call it. Maybe 1.9
Originally Posted by Phatmax98
They all do the same thing
#51
How well does the 8500 work with laser? I know cops in Atlanta use laser alot and I'm trying to justify buying one before that cartoys.com rebate ends Sunday night. I just don't want to buy the detector and not get much advance warning from it. What detectors work the best against laser?
#52
Originally Posted by khott2003
How well does the 8500 work with laser? I know cops in Atlanta use laser alot and I'm trying to justify buying one before that cartoys.com rebate ends Sunday night. I just don't want to buy the detector and not get much advance warning from it. What detectors work the best against laser?
#53
Originally Posted by Rowan
It DOES NOT work as well as the 8500. The cordless cycles between scanning and a standby mode (rapidly) if I remember correctly to conserve battery power. At least the previous generation Escort Solo did. I have tested the previous gen solo both at the same time in my max and the 8500 performed better at ALL times!
MY CAVEAT: maybe the new one fixed the weak points from the old one but I doubt it works as well still. I admit that it looks far cleaner, is cheaper and will still save you but if you want the best, 8500 is the best value, V2 is probably the best overall though it's sensitivity is maybe a little too high! It falses to much so our brains filter it out more which is dangerous...
MY CAVEAT: maybe the new one fixed the weak points from the old one but I doubt it works as well still. I admit that it looks far cleaner, is cheaper and will still save you but if you want the best, 8500 is the best value, V2 is probably the best overall though it's sensitivity is maybe a little too high! It falses to much so our brains filter it out more which is dangerous...
#54
I'd sayV1 my friend has one, ownes a very modded WRX, and he swears by it. I have used both the 8500 and the V1, and I prefer the V1 for the arrows it really helps me narrow down the search. Like it's been said nothing is 100%
and luck helps
and luck helps
#55
Originally Posted by Juki5536
Louie, buy the V1. I'll buy the Escort 8500 and we'll compare on 495 (VA side). If you're unsatisfied, we can switch
Seriously though, check out the Motor Trend 2004 Radar Detector test. Escort 8500 is right on V1 heels. If you got the money to burn....spend $500 and get the Passport 8500 w/ ZR3 laser protection. More and more cops are using laser rather than radar nowadays. Just a heads up, check out the motor trend article. Very informative. If money isn't an issue, V1. If it is, Passport 8500. I'm gettin the Passport 8500 soon.
Seriously though, check out the Motor Trend 2004 Radar Detector test. Escort 8500 is right on V1 heels. If you got the money to burn....spend $500 and get the Passport 8500 w/ ZR3 laser protection. More and more cops are using laser rather than radar nowadays. Just a heads up, check out the motor trend article. Very informative. If money isn't an issue, V1. If it is, Passport 8500. I'm gettin the Passport 8500 soon.
#56
Originally Posted by luckee2bhere
Is there anyway you could scan the article onto the computer?
Radar and Laser Jammers
Before going further, let us make the following statement; jamming or attempting to jam a police radar gun is a federal felony with fines up to $75,000. While radar jammers are marketed, speedzones.com and our observations in El Paso show them to be totally ineffective, which is possibly the reason that their makers, while having been issued cease and desist orders by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), have not been prosecuted.
Laser jamming is another issue altogether. First, lasers are regulated not by the FCC but by the Food and Drug Administration and are considered separate from radar jammers. When effectively deployed, especially in conjunction with a high-performance conventional radar/LIDAR detector, laser jammers or shifters, as some manufacturers call them, can be very effective in rendering many laser guns ineffective within their legal operating parameters.
Jurisdictional Notes
The state of Virginia, the District of Columbia, and most of the Canadian provinces ban the use of radar/laser detectors. To enforce these laws, all these jurisdictions have deployed radar-detector detectors (RDD) to sniff out vehicles using radar/laser detectors. The first units went by the name of VG-2 and could detect the local oscillator emissions of traditional radar detectors. This forced detector manufacturers to change their designs to conceal these emissions, thus making them invisible to the VG-2 RDDs.
There are federal statutes that make radar jammers illegal in all 50 states. California, Minnesota, and Utah specifically ban radar and laser jammers, and it's possible that laser jammers may become outlawed soon in other states as well. Long-haul professionals get no break at all: Since February 1995, radar detectors have been banned in 18-wheel commercial vehicles in all 50 states.
Brief History of Speed Enforcement
While radar as a means of enforcing speed limits has been used since the end of World War II, it came into widespread use in the 1950s as the Interstate highway system was built. Working on what's called the Doppler Shift, all conventional radar guns work by reflecting a microwave signal off an object. By measuring and recording the shift in frequency between the original and reflected signal, the radar gun gives a precise measurement of the target vehicle's speed.
Although its stated purpose has been to promote highway safety (thus the roadside signs you see stating "Radar Used for Your Protection"), using radar for speed enforcement often has a secondary, more insidious purpose: revenue generation. In the early 1970s, with the advent of the national 55-mph speed limit after the first Arab oil embargo, revenue rather than safety has often become its primary goal. Current evidence of this can be seen with photo radar units. These are unmanned speed traps where vehicle speed is measured and the license plate of the offending vehicle is photographed. The ticket is sent in the mail. Although outlawed in many jurisdictions, photo radar remains a real threat.
Radar Love: A torrid affair with X, K, Ka, and LIDAR
The airwave-regulating FCC first authorized X-band for speed radar guns. Since X-band shares the spectrum with a variety of devices, such as garage-door openers, detectors often pick up random signals, causing annoying false alarms. As no surprise, only about 10 percent of guns currently use this band since it's being phased out.
When radar detectors became common, law-enforcement agencies began to look for alternative guns and turned to more sophisticated, high-performance K-band units with several variations, including Ka.
Radar detectors soon caught up with K- and Ka-band radar guns, and law-enforcement agencies felt outgunned, leading to the implementation of Light Detection and Ranging (LIDAR) laser devices to measure speed. With LIDAR, the speed of a targeted vehicle can be measured in less than a third of a second. If used in an instant-on mode, aimed at your front plate or the reflector elements of your headlamps, LIDAR is all but undetectable. Overnight, conventional radar detectors lacking LIDAR capability became obsolete.
"There are some new threats to deal with," says Carl Fors, president of Speed Measurement Laboratories (SML), a product evaluation and development research company with more than 18 years of experience. "Radar and laser speed-enforcement guns have changed dramatically since our last test in 2001. For instance, the performance of radar-detector detectors has improved significantly. In this evaluation, three RDDs were provided by the Texas Department of Public Safety and operated by Texas State Troopers. Vehicles were driven at 30 mph, and, when detected, the test vehicle was told to stop. Its range was determined by a Kustom Pro III laser gun."
#57
"there are about 100,000 radar units in the U.S. versus perhaps 15,000 lasers"
read that somewhere too. basically nothing to do about lasers...not as big of a worry either for the most part.
read that somewhere too. basically nothing to do about lasers...not as big of a worry either for the most part.
#58
In my opinion....radar detectors are nearly useless for daylight hours. I bought a $60 wal-mart radar detector, for night time "viewing", and that night time usage has saved my *** on numerous occasions. Meaning, I can now speed better at night time. Specifically, it warned me driving on a pitch black road with no other car in site.
The drawback that I've found during the daytime, is that it makes you ease up on the peddle more. Which is completely useless. I don't want to have to secondguess my driving by some beep-machine when I'm speeding.
It helps that I have a lil bit better than 20/15 vision, and can see cops before they actually see me. For instance today, as I was scanning the horizon, I noticed the outline of a moto-cop...and instantly recognized as possible danger. I covered my brake, and once I noticed his helmet, I slowed from 70 to 55. About when I was at 55-60, the detector went off. No stop or warning here.
The only time a radar detector helped me during the day, was when I was extraordinarily speeding. My attention was more on avoiding cars, rather than cops (still on cops tho). The radar went off, I dropped speed like crazy, and I got a warning for marginally speeding.
Now, I could go into a diff subject, but my vision 5 years ago was 20/40. Basically, playing alot of PC games (that require alot of pixel focus) and constantly searching for cops faraway has improved my vision. like the old saying goes "if you don't use it, you lose it." Oh yeah, and I've had one ticket in 5 years for speeding, which I got dismissed anyway.
The drawback that I've found during the daytime, is that it makes you ease up on the peddle more. Which is completely useless. I don't want to have to secondguess my driving by some beep-machine when I'm speeding.
It helps that I have a lil bit better than 20/15 vision, and can see cops before they actually see me. For instance today, as I was scanning the horizon, I noticed the outline of a moto-cop...and instantly recognized as possible danger. I covered my brake, and once I noticed his helmet, I slowed from 70 to 55. About when I was at 55-60, the detector went off. No stop or warning here.
The only time a radar detector helped me during the day, was when I was extraordinarily speeding. My attention was more on avoiding cars, rather than cops (still on cops tho). The radar went off, I dropped speed like crazy, and I got a warning for marginally speeding.
Now, I could go into a diff subject, but my vision 5 years ago was 20/40. Basically, playing alot of PC games (that require alot of pixel focus) and constantly searching for cops faraway has improved my vision. like the old saying goes "if you don't use it, you lose it." Oh yeah, and I've had one ticket in 5 years for speeding, which I got dismissed anyway.
#59
Originally Posted by izzydig
In my opinion....radar detectors are nearly useless for daylight hours. I bought a $60 wal-mart radar detector, for night time "viewing", and that night time usage has saved my *** on numerous occasions. Meaning, I can now speed better at night time. Specifically, it warned me driving on a pitch black road with no other car in site.
The drawback that I've found during the daytime, is that it makes you ease up on the peddle more. Which is completely useless. I don't want to have to secondguess my driving by some beep-machine when I'm speeding.
It helps that I have a lil bit better than 20/15 vision, and can see cops before they actually see me. For instance today, as I was scanning the horizon, I noticed the outline of a moto-cop...and instantly recognized as possible danger. I covered my brake, and once I noticed his helmet, I slowed from 70 to 55. About when I was at 55-60, the detector went off. No stop or warning here.
The only time a radar detector helped me during the day, was when I was extraordinarily speeding. My attention was more on avoiding cars, rather than cops (still on cops tho). The radar went off, I dropped speed like crazy, and I got a warning for marginally speeding.
Now, I could go into a diff subject, but my vision 5 years ago was 20/40. Basically, playing alot of PC games (that require alot of pixel focus) and constantly searching for cops faraway has improved my vision. like the old saying goes "if you don't use it, you lose it." Oh yeah, and I've had one ticket in 5 years for speeding, which I got dismissed anyway.
The drawback that I've found during the daytime, is that it makes you ease up on the peddle more. Which is completely useless. I don't want to have to secondguess my driving by some beep-machine when I'm speeding.
It helps that I have a lil bit better than 20/15 vision, and can see cops before they actually see me. For instance today, as I was scanning the horizon, I noticed the outline of a moto-cop...and instantly recognized as possible danger. I covered my brake, and once I noticed his helmet, I slowed from 70 to 55. About when I was at 55-60, the detector went off. No stop or warning here.
The only time a radar detector helped me during the day, was when I was extraordinarily speeding. My attention was more on avoiding cars, rather than cops (still on cops tho). The radar went off, I dropped speed like crazy, and I got a warning for marginally speeding.
Now, I could go into a diff subject, but my vision 5 years ago was 20/40. Basically, playing alot of PC games (that require alot of pixel focus) and constantly searching for cops faraway has improved my vision. like the old saying goes "if you don't use it, you lose it." Oh yeah, and I've had one ticket in 5 years for speeding, which I got dismissed anyway.
#60
Originally Posted by SLC I30t
Hey guys, I was just wondering what are the best Radar detectors on the market? I know that the Valentine 1 is a favorite, but would the 2nd and 3rd be? I got pulled over the other night, so now rather than conforming to the ways of the system I just need to a better warning system. ... .
When I got my new Max I decided that I was also going to get a radar detector. I have more than one speeding ticket on my record right now and I really wanted the opportunity to possibly avoid others in the future. 7 or 8 motnhs ago now I had also heard V1, 8500, etc etc. and I'm sure $300+ you get your money's worth and is totally worth it and but honestly, I have better things to do with that kind of money. I found mine by chance one day, flipping through channels and they happened to be doing electronics on the shop at home network and were showing a whistler for $47. I had heard of the name before and it had some cool features, and really can't beat it for $50. Honestly, I don't drive on roads and highways regularly littered with speedtraps but the regular roads and highways I do drive on, have given me plenty of warning. I've not gotten a ticket for speeding with this detector. Just my .02 to maybe help save you some money.
#61
Originally Posted by izzydig
In my opinion....radar detectors are nearly useless for daylight hours. I bought a $60 wal-mart radar detector, for night time "viewing", and that night time usage has saved my *** on numerous occasions. Meaning, I can now speed better at night time. Specifically, it warned me driving on a pitch black road with no other car in site.
The drawback that I've found during the daytime, is that it makes you ease up on the peddle more. Which is completely useless. I don't want to have to secondguess my driving by some beep-machine when I'm speeding.
The drawback that I've found during the daytime, is that it makes you ease up on the peddle more. Which is completely useless. I don't want to have to secondguess my driving by some beep-machine when I'm speeding.
-just a though
i also have 20/15 vision but my S2 sees cops way before i do
#62
Originally Posted by izzydig
In my opinion....radar detectors are nearly useless for daylight hours. I bought a $60 wal-mart radar detector, for night time "viewing", and that night time usage has saved my *** on numerous occasions. Meaning, I can now speed better at night time. Specifically, it warned me driving on a pitch black road with no other car in site.
The drawback that I've found during the daytime, is that it makes you ease up on the peddle more. Which is completely useless. I don't want to have to secondguess my driving by some beep-machine when I'm speeding.
It helps that I have a lil bit better than 20/15 vision, and can see cops before they actually see me. For instance today, as I was scanning the horizon, I noticed the outline of a moto-cop...and instantly recognized as possible danger. I covered my brake, and once I noticed his helmet, I slowed from 70 to 55. About when I was at 55-60, the detector went off. No stop or warning here.
The only time a radar detector helped me during the day, was when I was extraordinarily speeding. My attention was more on avoiding cars, rather than cops (still on cops tho). The radar went off, I dropped speed like crazy, and I got a warning for marginally speeding.
Now, I could go into a diff subject, but my vision 5 years ago was 20/40. Basically, playing alot of PC games (that require alot of pixel focus) and constantly searching for cops faraway has improved my vision. like the old saying goes "if you don't use it, you lose it." Oh yeah, and I've had one ticket in 5 years for speeding, which I got dismissed anyway.
The drawback that I've found during the daytime, is that it makes you ease up on the peddle more. Which is completely useless. I don't want to have to secondguess my driving by some beep-machine when I'm speeding.
It helps that I have a lil bit better than 20/15 vision, and can see cops before they actually see me. For instance today, as I was scanning the horizon, I noticed the outline of a moto-cop...and instantly recognized as possible danger. I covered my brake, and once I noticed his helmet, I slowed from 70 to 55. About when I was at 55-60, the detector went off. No stop or warning here.
The only time a radar detector helped me during the day, was when I was extraordinarily speeding. My attention was more on avoiding cars, rather than cops (still on cops tho). The radar went off, I dropped speed like crazy, and I got a warning for marginally speeding.
Now, I could go into a diff subject, but my vision 5 years ago was 20/40. Basically, playing alot of PC games (that require alot of pixel focus) and constantly searching for cops faraway has improved my vision. like the old saying goes "if you don't use it, you lose it." Oh yeah, and I've had one ticket in 5 years for speeding, which I got dismissed anyway.
#63
Originally Posted by charliekilo3
There is no good reason to "speed better at night." That's the worst time to speed because you can only see so much on a "pitch black road." It's good that you're almost happy with your Wally World detector though.
#64
Originally Posted by SLC I30t
I know that everyone wants to preach what is right and what is wrong. In a perfect world we wouldn't need such devices. With everyones opinions about what you should do and why aside. Keep your opinions directed to the device not your belief of the driver while using the device.
#67
More info related to this thread:
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=467050
http://www.radarbusters.com/products...rs/default.asp
(it'd be nice to combine some threads....and I'd be willing to help out...)
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=467050
http://www.radarbusters.com/products...rs/default.asp
(it'd be nice to combine some threads....and I'd be willing to help out...)
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