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Old 02-27-2004, 08:24 PM
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here is a good article on the Escort 8500, Bel 980, K40 and the Valentine V1. It shows full specs and features.

http://www.radartest.com/article.asp?articleID=1064
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If you are thinking about the battery powered ones just hard wire it. It is probably one of the easiest mods possible. It makes it look cleaner and lets you still have the lighter free.

Some of those ratings put more into ergonomics or useless features. The V1 does not have tons of flashy features but it detects radar. I have also taken X band off since no cops around here use it. That makes it a lot quieter so I can take seriously when it beeps.

Yeah it is still the V1. They are on version 1.8 now so they should come out with a 2.0 pretty soon. I have no idea if they will call it Valentine 2 or what.
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v1 hands down

if your not getting this goto radiocrap and buy one for 50 bucks.

and a radar detector does was it says...once it beeps he already has you unless it bounced off another object. also if your next to a big truck it would pick up the truck and not you...learned that from a x-state trooper, he said it always pics up the larger object and he laughs at radar detectors...also last he heard the state troopers used the instant on feature where they just zap you because its more accurate then passively scanning everything....
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well unless you are seriously out of luck, the price of the V1 equals 3 tickets on average. the 8500 would be my choice, in a few months once i actually have time to go somewhere.

got money to burn, go V1. next best thing (and by a slim margin too) the 8500.
 
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Originally Posted by Torgus
v1 hands down

if your not getting this goto radiocrap and buy one for 50 bucks.

and a radar detector does was it says...once it beeps he already has you unless it bounced off another object. also if your next to a big truck it would pick up the truck and not you...learned that from a x-state trooper, he said it always pics up the larger object and he laughs at radar detectors...also last he heard the state troopers used the instant on feature where they just zap you because its more accurate then passively scanning everything....

This was the reason I got caught, that instant on feature...and I agree V1 is the heat...but if your on a budget...it's not bad to get one from radioshack. They all do the same thing.
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Yeah it is still the V1. They are on version 1.8 now so they should come out with a 2.0 pretty soon. I have no idea if they will call it Valentine 2 or what.

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can you get in trouble for having them
Only in the states or commomwealths that outlaw them. Also they are illegal in commercial trucks. Do a Google search.
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Originally Posted by h2kSPiG
If you are thinking about the battery powered ones just hard wire it. It is probably one of the easiest mods possible. It makes it look cleaner and lets you still have the lighter free.

Some of those ratings put more into ergonomics or useless features. The V1 does not have tons of flashy features but it detects radar. I have also taken X band off since no cops around here use it. That makes it a lot quieter so I can take seriously when it beeps.

Yeah it is still the V1. They are on version 1.8 now so they should come out with a 2.0 pretty soon. I have no idea if they will call it Valentine 2 or what.
I'm sure that they will still call it V1. The version number will change to whatever they want to call it. Maybe 1.9. I have had mine upgraded twice since I bought it in 1994.
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Originally Posted by Phatmax98
This was the reason I got caught, that instant on feature...and I agree V1 is the heat...but if your on a budget...it's not bad to get one from radioshack. They all do the same thing.
If you're on a budget, you can't afford a ticket or tickets for that matter. You have to do a cost benefit analysis. All detectors are not created equally. You can't expect a $50 unit to compete successfully with a high end unit.
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Originally Posted by Torgus
once it beeps he already has you unless it bounced off another object.
If you slam on your brakes once you hear it and it is K or Ka (laser is a completely different story) and you are not going like 3x the speed limit then you should not get pulled over. There have been plenty of times when I have have missed a ticket like that going about 30 over. It is a situation like that that I say the $400 is worth it.

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The version number will change to whatever they want to call it. Maybe 1.9
I meant two versions from now, after 1.9, but that will probably be a while. It is not too often that they come out with a new model.

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They all do the same thing
They all do the same thing but some do it MUCH better than others. A geo metro and a skyline do the same thing too. It depends on whether you think the difference in quality is worth it.
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How well does the 8500 work with laser? I know cops in Atlanta use laser alot and I'm trying to justify buying one before that cartoys.com rebate ends Sunday night. I just don't want to buy the detector and not get much advance warning from it. What detectors work the best against laser?
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Old 02-29-2004, 08:27 AM
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How well does the 8500 work with laser? I know cops in Atlanta use laser alot and I'm trying to justify buying one before that cartoys.com rebate ends Sunday night. I just don't want to buy the detector and not get much advance warning from it. What detectors work the best against laser?
there usually is NO warning from laser (if you want to know the technical aspects of it, goto detectortest.com or one of those sites). basically the differences between the V1 and the passport are a marginal amount of range, and the arrows..if you have the extra money, i say get the V1 but if not, take it from myself and others who have recommended it, the passport is a VERY close second. the only reason i'd take the V1 is because when my passport goes off, its usually way far away from the cop and i have no idea which direction hes coming from but thats alright. been pulled over twice since i've had the passport, once for mistaken identity, and once for loud exhaust (i had a huge ypipe leak) and yes i do drive above the speed limit in most areas.
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Originally Posted by Rowan
It DOES NOT work as well as the 8500. The cordless cycles between scanning and a standby mode (rapidly) if I remember correctly to conserve battery power. At least the previous generation Escort Solo did. I have tested the previous gen solo both at the same time in my max and the 8500 performed better at ALL times!

MY CAVEAT: maybe the new one fixed the weak points from the old one but I doubt it works as well still. I admit that it looks far cleaner, is cheaper and will still save you but if you want the best, 8500 is the best value, V2 is probably the best overall though it's sensitivity is maybe a little too high! It falses to much so our brains filter it out more which is dangerous...
nah, i have the S2 (just looked) and it works great. it pics up cops from way more than a mile away... picks up lazer too, even got me out of lazer speedtraps even thought i hear thats supposed to be pretty much impossible. it also works on 2 AA's for 2 months. all that + i have no cords so i can put it in any car i want [last time i checked that doesnt work if you hardwire it]. i swear by the damn thing
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I'd sayV1 my friend has one, ownes a very modded WRX, and he swears by it. I have used both the 8500 and the V1, and I prefer the V1 for the arrows it really helps me narrow down the search. Like it's been said nothing is 100%
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Originally Posted by Juki5536
Louie, buy the V1. I'll buy the Escort 8500 and we'll compare on 495 (VA side). If you're unsatisfied, we can switch
Seriously though, check out the Motor Trend 2004 Radar Detector test. Escort 8500 is right on V1 heels. If you got the money to burn....spend $500 and get the Passport 8500 w/ ZR3 laser protection. More and more cops are using laser rather than radar nowadays. Just a heads up, check out the motor trend article. Very informative. If money isn't an issue, V1. If it is, Passport 8500. I'm gettin the Passport 8500 soon.
Is there anyway you could scan the article onto the computer?
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Originally Posted by luckee2bhere
Is there anyway you could scan the article onto the computer?
no need to scan it. here is the article




Radar and Laser Jammers
Before going further, let us make the following statement; jamming or attempting to jam a police radar gun is a federal felony with fines up to $75,000. While radar jammers are marketed, speedzones.com and our observations in El Paso show them to be totally ineffective, which is possibly the reason that their makers, while having been issued cease and desist orders by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), have not been prosecuted.

Laser jamming is another issue altogether. First, lasers are regulated not by the FCC but by the Food and Drug Administration and are considered separate from radar jammers. When effectively deployed, especially in conjunction with a high-performance conventional radar/LIDAR detector, laser jammers or shifters, as some manufacturers call them, can be very effective in rendering many laser guns ineffective within their legal operating parameters.

Jurisdictional Notes
The state of Virginia, the District of Columbia, and most of the Canadian provinces ban the use of radar/laser detectors. To enforce these laws, all these jurisdictions have deployed radar-detector detectors (RDD) to sniff out vehicles using radar/laser detectors. The first units went by the name of VG-2 and could detect the local oscillator emissions of traditional radar detectors. This forced detector manufacturers to change their designs to conceal these emissions, thus making them invisible to the VG-2 RDDs.

There are federal statutes that make radar jammers illegal in all 50 states. California, Minnesota, and Utah specifically ban radar and laser jammers, and it's possible that laser jammers may become outlawed soon in other states as well. Long-haul professionals get no break at all: Since February 1995, radar detectors have been banned in 18-wheel commercial vehicles in all 50 states.

Brief History of Speed Enforcement
While radar as a means of enforcing speed limits has been used since the end of World War II, it came into widespread use in the 1950s as the Interstate highway system was built. Working on what's called the Doppler Shift, all conventional radar guns work by reflecting a microwave signal off an object. By measuring and recording the shift in frequency between the original and reflected signal, the radar gun gives a precise measurement of the target vehicle's speed.

Although its stated purpose has been to promote highway safety (thus the roadside signs you see stating "Radar Used for Your Protection"), using radar for speed enforcement often has a secondary, more insidious purpose: revenue generation. In the early 1970s, with the advent of the national 55-mph speed limit after the first Arab oil embargo, revenue rather than safety has often become its primary goal. Current evidence of this can be seen with photo radar units. These are unmanned speed traps where vehicle speed is measured and the license plate of the offending vehicle is photographed. The ticket is sent in the mail. Although outlawed in many jurisdictions, photo radar remains a real threat.

Radar Love: A torrid affair with X, K, Ka, and LIDAR
The airwave-regulating FCC first authorized X-band for speed radar guns. Since X-band shares the spectrum with a variety of devices, such as garage-door openers, detectors often pick up random signals, causing annoying false alarms. As no surprise, only about 10 percent of guns currently use this band since it's being phased out.

When radar detectors became common, law-enforcement agencies began to look for alternative guns and turned to more sophisticated, high-performance K-band units with several variations, including Ka.

Radar detectors soon caught up with K- and Ka-band radar guns, and law-enforcement agencies felt outgunned, leading to the implementation of Light Detection and Ranging (LIDAR) laser devices to measure speed. With LIDAR, the speed of a targeted vehicle can be measured in less than a third of a second. If used in an instant-on mode, aimed at your front plate or the reflector elements of your headlamps, LIDAR is all but undetectable. Overnight, conventional radar detectors lacking LIDAR capability became obsolete.

"There are some new threats to deal with," says Carl Fors, president of Speed Measurement Laboratories (SML), a product evaluation and development research company with more than 18 years of experience. "Radar and laser speed-enforcement guns have changed dramatically since our last test in 2001. For instance, the performance of radar-detector detectors has improved significantly. In this evaluation, three RDDs were provided by the Texas Department of Public Safety and operated by Texas State Troopers. Vehicles were driven at 30 mph, and, when detected, the test vehicle was told to stop. Its range was determined by a Kustom Pro III laser gun."
for more info go to www.motortrend.com and do a search for "radar detector testing"
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"there are about 100,000 radar units in the U.S. versus perhaps 15,000 lasers"

read that somewhere too. basically nothing to do about lasers...not as big of a worry either for the most part.
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In my opinion....radar detectors are nearly useless for daylight hours. I bought a $60 wal-mart radar detector, for night time "viewing", and that night time usage has saved my *** on numerous occasions. Meaning, I can now speed better at night time. Specifically, it warned me driving on a pitch black road with no other car in site.

The drawback that I've found during the daytime, is that it makes you ease up on the peddle more. Which is completely useless. I don't want to have to secondguess my driving by some beep-machine when I'm speeding.

It helps that I have a lil bit better than 20/15 vision, and can see cops before they actually see me. For instance today, as I was scanning the horizon, I noticed the outline of a moto-cop...and instantly recognized as possible danger. I covered my brake, and once I noticed his helmet, I slowed from 70 to 55. About when I was at 55-60, the detector went off. No stop or warning here.

The only time a radar detector helped me during the day, was when I was extraordinarily speeding. My attention was more on avoiding cars, rather than cops (still on cops tho). The radar went off, I dropped speed like crazy, and I got a warning for marginally speeding.

Now, I could go into a diff subject, but my vision 5 years ago was 20/40. Basically, playing alot of PC games (that require alot of pixel focus) and constantly searching for cops faraway has improved my vision. like the old saying goes "if you don't use it, you lose it." Oh yeah, and I've had one ticket in 5 years for speeding, which I got dismissed anyway.
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Originally Posted by izzydig
In my opinion....radar detectors are nearly useless for daylight hours. I bought a $60 wal-mart radar detector, for night time "viewing", and that night time usage has saved my *** on numerous occasions. Meaning, I can now speed better at night time. Specifically, it warned me driving on a pitch black road with no other car in site.

The drawback that I've found during the daytime, is that it makes you ease up on the peddle more. Which is completely useless. I don't want to have to secondguess my driving by some beep-machine when I'm speeding.

It helps that I have a lil bit better than 20/15 vision, and can see cops before they actually see me. For instance today, as I was scanning the horizon, I noticed the outline of a moto-cop...and instantly recognized as possible danger. I covered my brake, and once I noticed his helmet, I slowed from 70 to 55. About when I was at 55-60, the detector went off. No stop or warning here.

The only time a radar detector helped me during the day, was when I was extraordinarily speeding. My attention was more on avoiding cars, rather than cops (still on cops tho). The radar went off, I dropped speed like crazy, and I got a warning for marginally speeding.

Now, I could go into a diff subject, but my vision 5 years ago was 20/40. Basically, playing alot of PC games (that require alot of pixel focus) and constantly searching for cops faraway has improved my vision. like the old saying goes "if you don't use it, you lose it." Oh yeah, and I've had one ticket in 5 years for speeding, which I got dismissed anyway.
I think the lack of sensitivity of your radar detector could be an issue as far as your problems with your radar detector. Also, some of the signs on the side of the road are connected to radar guns that will light up the sign (road work signs and such) when something is approaching at a certain speed. I've played with one in my neighborhood a lot. Drive past at 25-30mph and it stays off then at 45 it lights up. Different detectors use different *power-settings* for detection. I was told that Bel uses the most, but it is the easiest for the Radar detector-detectors to pick up. Another reason is that a lot of cops just randomly shoot at cars they suspect to be speeding (fast lane and people bobbin-n-weavin. Its good that you have 20-15 vision, so do I and it has helped me a lot to recognize shadows in the distance and vehicle recognition. I still think that a radar detector, one with newer technology that can tell the difference between an motion detector, automatic doors and a quota driven cop can be an asset when trying to avoid tickets.
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Hey guys, I was just wondering what are the best Radar detectors on the market? I know that the Valentine 1 is a favorite, but would the 2nd and 3rd be? I got pulled over the other night, so now rather than conforming to the ways of the system I just need to a better warning system. ... .


When I got my new Max I decided that I was also going to get a radar detector. I have more than one speeding ticket on my record right now and I really wanted the opportunity to possibly avoid others in the future. 7 or 8 motnhs ago now I had also heard V1, 8500, etc etc. and I'm sure $300+ you get your money's worth and is totally worth it and but honestly, I have better things to do with that kind of money. I found mine by chance one day, flipping through channels and they happened to be doing electronics on the shop at home network and were showing a whistler for $47. I had heard of the name before and it had some cool features, and really can't beat it for $50. Honestly, I don't drive on roads and highways regularly littered with speedtraps but the regular roads and highways I do drive on, have given me plenty of warning. I've not gotten a ticket for speeding with this detector. Just my .02 to maybe help save you some money.
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Originally Posted by izzydig
In my opinion....radar detectors are nearly useless for daylight hours. I bought a $60 wal-mart radar detector, for night time "viewing", and that night time usage has saved my *** on numerous occasions. Meaning, I can now speed better at night time. Specifically, it warned me driving on a pitch black road with no other car in site.

The drawback that I've found during the daytime, is that it makes you ease up on the peddle more. Which is completely useless. I don't want to have to secondguess my driving by some beep-machine when I'm speeding.
i think your problem is that you bought a POS from wal-mart.

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i also have 20/15 vision but my S2 sees cops way before i do
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Originally Posted by izzydig
In my opinion....radar detectors are nearly useless for daylight hours. I bought a $60 wal-mart radar detector, for night time "viewing", and that night time usage has saved my *** on numerous occasions. Meaning, I can now speed better at night time. Specifically, it warned me driving on a pitch black road with no other car in site.

The drawback that I've found during the daytime, is that it makes you ease up on the peddle more. Which is completely useless. I don't want to have to secondguess my driving by some beep-machine when I'm speeding.

It helps that I have a lil bit better than 20/15 vision, and can see cops before they actually see me. For instance today, as I was scanning the horizon, I noticed the outline of a moto-cop...and instantly recognized as possible danger. I covered my brake, and once I noticed his helmet, I slowed from 70 to 55. About when I was at 55-60, the detector went off. No stop or warning here.

The only time a radar detector helped me during the day, was when I was extraordinarily speeding. My attention was more on avoiding cars, rather than cops (still on cops tho). The radar went off, I dropped speed like crazy, and I got a warning for marginally speeding.

Now, I could go into a diff subject, but my vision 5 years ago was 20/40. Basically, playing alot of PC games (that require alot of pixel focus) and constantly searching for cops faraway has improved my vision. like the old saying goes "if you don't use it, you lose it." Oh yeah, and I've had one ticket in 5 years for speeding, which I got dismissed anyway.
There is no good reason to "speed better at night." That's the worst time to speed because you can only see so much on a "pitch black road." It's good that you're almost happy with your Wally World detector though.
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There is no good reason to "speed better at night." That's the worst time to speed because you can only see so much on a "pitch black road." It's good that you're almost happy with your Wally World detector though.
I know that everyone wants to preach what is right and what is wrong. In a perfect world we wouldn't need such devices. With everyones opinions about what you should do and why aside. Keep your opinions directed to the device not your belief of the driver while using the device.
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Originally Posted by SLC I30t
I know that everyone wants to preach what is right and what is wrong. In a perfect world we wouldn't need such devices. With everyones opinions about what you should do and why aside. Keep your opinions directed to the device not your belief of the driver while using the device.
I was not telling you what was right or wrong. My opinions go where I decide. You don't have to like them.
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I guess you have problem with keeping with the tune of the thread. Thats your issue, not mine. Kindly re-read the first post, then edit your post... please.
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Re-read the last sentence in that post you first replied to. I said something about your Wally World radar detector.
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More info related to this thread:

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=467050

http://www.radarbusters.com/products...rs/default.asp







(it'd be nice to combine some threads....and I'd be willing to help out...)
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go with valentine 1. its a little pricy but it really comes in handy in my area because they just installed speed cameras and cops post up all over the place.i have one and its saved my *** soo many times
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