Was it Matic D?
08-07-2006, 11:56 PM
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Was it Matic D?
So my girlfriend went to Nissan to get a T-Tec done. $149 freakin dollars. On her receipt it says that they used Dextron III fluid and not Matic D. Did they really use Dextron III or the computer system only show it as such and in reality it is Matic D? Because if they didn't use Matic D I'll be pissed.
08-08-2006, 01:20 PM
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The capacity of the tranny is 10Q. If they used NissanMaticD fluid @$4.99/Q, it would come to $50.
Now, if they used regular DexronIII, you could get a cheap/bulk ATF for $1/Q and a good one upto $5.99 (Mobil1) which I doubt they would have used.
A good dino DexronIII would not cost more than $2.99/Q.
Somewhere the math does not add up!!!
Now, if they used regular DexronIII, you could get a cheap/bulk ATF for $1/Q and a good one upto $5.99 (Mobil1) which I doubt they would have used.
A good dino DexronIII would not cost more than $2.99/Q.
Somewhere the math does not add up!!!
08-08-2006, 06:10 PM
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D-III is an acceptable substitute for Nissan Matic-D transmission requirements; brand X fluid will also be less expensive than Nissan-branded fluid. Unless you specifed Nissan-branded ATF or they advertised it, I really don't think there is much you can do about it.
You paid a lot for the tranny flush, but that's dealer service for you...there's probably an hour or more labor @ $65/$70 per hour built into the cost. And don't forget that the dealership is there for one reason only, and that is to make money for the owner. I live in San Antonio...Red McCombs and Tom Benson, owners of the Minnesota Vikings and New Orleans Saints respectively, both got their start in the auto business and both own several dealerships in town. Ernesto Ancira also owns several dealerships in Texas and he is one of the most wealthy/successful hispanic businessmen in the nation. The bottom line is that they are definitely going to make money on you.
You paid a lot for the tranny flush, but that's dealer service for you...there's probably an hour or more labor @ $65/$70 per hour built into the cost. And don't forget that the dealership is there for one reason only, and that is to make money for the owner. I live in San Antonio...Red McCombs and Tom Benson, owners of the Minnesota Vikings and New Orleans Saints respectively, both got their start in the auto business and both own several dealerships in town. Ernesto Ancira also owns several dealerships in Texas and he is one of the most wealthy/successful hispanic businessmen in the nation. The bottom line is that they are definitely going to make money on you.
08-09-2006, 12:02 AM
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The capacity of the tranny is 10Q. If they used NissanMaticD fluid @$4.99/Q, it would come to $50.
Unless you specifed Nissan-branded ATF or they advertised it, I really don't think there is much you can do about it.
08-09-2006, 05:25 AM
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what dealership was it? what year car? how many miles? any previous tranny service?
fwiw, I would NEVER let a jiffy lube monkey work on my car. consider the extra $60 you paid as insurance against JL scewing up your car. it boggles my mind when I see new lexuses, beamers, and mercedes on the rack at JL. who in their right mind would pay >50k for a car and then let the hacks at JL work on it, put cheap oil in it, use the crappiest filters money can buy, etc. JL horror stories are endless.
fwiw, I would NEVER let a jiffy lube monkey work on my car. consider the extra $60 you paid as insurance against JL scewing up your car. it boggles my mind when I see new lexuses, beamers, and mercedes on the rack at JL. who in their right mind would pay >50k for a car and then let the hacks at JL work on it, put cheap oil in it, use the crappiest filters money can buy, etc. JL horror stories are endless.
08-09-2006, 06:12 PM
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If it says Matic D in the owners manual and if it's specified in their computer system as Matic-D then that's what I want. I'll be looking into this tomorrow. If they end up telling me that they used $1 Dextron III fluid and they won't do anything about it, I may try to call up corporate. We'll see.
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BTW, the owners manual reads Nissan Matic D or Dexron III or equivalent.
If it says Matic D in the owners manual and if it's specified in their computer system as Matic-D then that's what I want. I'll be looking into this tomorrow. If they end up telling me that they used $1 Dextron III fluid and they won't do anything about it, I may try to call up corporate. We'll see.
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BTW, the owners manual reads Nissan Matic D or Dexron III or equivalent.
08-10-2006, 01:39 AM
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BTW, the owners manual reads Nissan Matic D or Dexron III or equivalent.
fwiw, I would NEVER let a jiffy lube monkey work on my car. consider the extra $60 you paid as insurance against JL scewing up your car. it boggles my mind when I see new lexuses, beamers, and mercedes on the rack at JL. who in their right mind would pay >50k for a car and then let the hacks at JL work on it, put cheap oil in it, use the crappiest filters money can buy, etc. JL horror stories are endless.
what dealership was it? what year car? how many miles? any previous tranny service?
08-10-2006, 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Jibberish18
Star Nissan on Touhy in Niles, Illinois. 32,000. 2003 GLE. No previous tranny service, major or minor.
08-11-2006, 08:47 AM
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you could go back and demand matic D. honestly I think the DexIII might be a better fluid for you though. there's been more than a few UOAs done on Matic D with less than stellar results. Amsoil universal ATF is working well in my '99. others swear by Mobil1. but if you are in warranty maybe deamand the matic D.
08-11-2006, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by sky jumper
you could go back and demand matic D. honestly I think the DexIII might be a better fluid for you though. there's been more than a few UOAs done on Matic D with less than stellar results. Amsoil universal ATF is working well in my '99. others swear by Mobil1. but if you are in warranty maybe deamand the matic D.
UOAs on Mobil1/Amsoil syn may be good but $1 dino ATF might raise the PPM numbers to kill the tranny.
10-16-2006, 01:33 AM
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Bringing up an old thread of mine. I asked the tech at the Nissan Dealership if they really used Matic D on my girls car. His answer was yes but it was Matic D developed by Valvoline and not the Nissan brand and they did that to "pass the savings on to the customer", right. Not sure how that works. I think he said it just shows up as Dextron III on the receipt. He also said that you couldn't use regular old DextronIII on the tranny because it would kill the tranny. Not sure if this was a lie (I'd like to think it was) but apparently they added Dextron III to a few vehicles accidentally the vehicles transmissions seized half way through the lot. I'd like to think these vehicles were Maxima's he mentioned.
But apparently the girlies car has Matic D. It seems to be shifting fine. Was the tech talking out of his hiney? I still don't trust the dealership but that's just me.
But apparently the girlies car has Matic D. It seems to be shifting fine. Was the tech talking out of his hiney? I still don't trust the dealership but that's just me.
10-16-2006, 08:34 AM
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Jibb: You are getting an awfull lot of BS from dealerships. DexronIII has been used by many in these forums and has not killed the tranny -- the trick is the OCI interval should be short (max 30K) since Nissan trannies chew up fluids, regular DexronIII starts of with ~7.5cSt when new and quickly goes to 4.5cST in the first 20K miles.
Any ATF be it syn/dino would kill the tranny on extended OCIs becoz the additive packages just get worn out, the viscosity is thin as the fluid shears and what not.
IMHO, Valvoline is a stupid ATF that covers almost all kind of specs under the sun. Let me give you an example how this marketing gimmick happens, now if DexronIII is at the low end of the ATF specs (0-4), MerconV in the mid to high end of the spec (3-7)with ATF4+ at the highest end of the specs (5-10). All that the manufactures of ATFs have to say is engineer a fluid at the range of 5, it meets all specs. MV ATFs (only recently have Amsoil and Mobil1 also joined the bandwagon) are good for lube shops who cannot stock up all the boutique fluids for every specific car. It is imperative that the dealership only carries Nissan ATFs and nothing else, if they do then they are cutting cornors, since they only service Nissans -- why have MV ATFs in the shop.
Anyway, I would suggest get a good flush done with Castrol/Chevron dino or Amsoil/Mobil1 syn before ~10K miles (when I used Valvoline DexronIII it was burnt in no more than 5K miles).
Any ATF be it syn/dino would kill the tranny on extended OCIs becoz the additive packages just get worn out, the viscosity is thin as the fluid shears and what not.
IMHO, Valvoline is a stupid ATF that covers almost all kind of specs under the sun. Let me give you an example how this marketing gimmick happens, now if DexronIII is at the low end of the ATF specs (0-4), MerconV in the mid to high end of the spec (3-7)with ATF4+ at the highest end of the specs (5-10). All that the manufactures of ATFs have to say is engineer a fluid at the range of 5, it meets all specs. MV ATFs (only recently have Amsoil and Mobil1 also joined the bandwagon) are good for lube shops who cannot stock up all the boutique fluids for every specific car. It is imperative that the dealership only carries Nissan ATFs and nothing else, if they do then they are cutting cornors, since they only service Nissans -- why have MV ATFs in the shop.
Anyway, I would suggest get a good flush done with Castrol/Chevron dino or Amsoil/Mobil1 syn before ~10K miles (when I used Valvoline DexronIII it was burnt in no more than 5K miles).
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