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Nissan has discontinued the VE30DE - specific 15208-60U00 OEM oil filter.....
and replaced it with the 15208-55Y00 VG30E-specific filter. This change applies to all of Nissan's variable timing/VTC engines (VH45 & VE30DE) and the N/A and Twin Turbo versions of the dual cam VG30D engines used on the 90 to 96 300Zs.
The 60U00 filter (the light gray one) has a solid reputation and is a "heavy duty" filter for Nissan's early to mid-90s model engines, especially on the VE with the VTC issues. As Kaleb can attest, it works well on the VG30E engines as well.
I've been doing some research into cutting open various OEM Nissan filters and made the discovery yesterday that Kaleb's impression of the 15208-55Y00 VG30E filter being replaced by the VE30DE VH45DE VG30DTT VG30DE specific 15208-60U00 is the exact opposite.
Apparently, Nissan's dealers run 2 different computer systems: Reynolds & Reynolds and ADP. In February, Nissan indeed informed dealers (such as Kaleb) on one of the computer networks that the 55Y00 filter was being replaced/superceded by the 60U00 filter. However, that was replaced by another dealer bulletin through an alternate computer network stating that the 15208-60U00 filter would be replaced by the 55Y00 filter beginning March 31st.
Some of you know DAVEB, who has switched dealerships. He made this discovery at his new dealership.
So the chase is on. Nissan will never make these filters again, which I'm sure will **** off the 300Z guys pretty bad.
If you want some of these filters, Dave Burnette at South Point Nissan in Texas has a few in stock and is looking into a few other sources. His contact information is (888) 254-6060. Tell him I sent you.
Also, I'm sure Kaleb at Courtesy Nissan can help you out as well.
In addition, you can do a part number search in your area by visiting www.partsvoice.com website. You can search for any OEM part numbers of dealers who update their inventory online. Simply log-in as a guest with your zip code and search away.
I found 2 at one of my local dealers, but I had to literally specify the 60U00 number. Nissan has already switched sales of both to the 55Y00 part number. Don't forget the Infiniti dealers, as these are OEM on the early to mid-90s Q45s and J30s. The smaller the Nissan dealer, the greater chance you have of finding some.
Really, VE guys don't have too much to worry about since the Toyota 90915-YZZA2 OEM filter cross references and has a decent rep (I'll know for sure its exact quality in the coming days when it is cut open in my study). These 'yota filters won't physically fit on any VG engine due to the oil return design.
As far as the oil filter study, the 55Y00 has been cut open, and looks to be a good quality filter in its own right, but I seriously question Nissan's move on this. Obviously, it's a cost cutting measure.
A 60U00 was sent (before it was realized how valuable it was) to my contact who is cutting open several OEM filters to see their differences. Hopefully, I'll understand more of their specific differences in the near future.
I went to the local Nissan dealership to see if they still had some VE filters in stock. They actually still had plenty (since I'm probably one of the only VE's still running around here), so I went with their four for the price of three deal.
I got talking with the parts manager and he said he was even confused why Nissan was going to stop making the 6OU00 filter. But, here's the weird part...
When he enter part # 15208-60U00 (VE filter) in the computer, under comments the computer said "15208-55Y00 will replace".
Then when we checked part # 15208-55Y00 (VG filter) it said "15208-6OU00 will replace". Even the Nissan computer is confused.
Originally posted by pezking4 I went to the local Nissan dealership to see if they still had some VE filters in stock. They actually still had plenty (since I'm probably one of the only VE's still running around here), so I went with their four for the price of three deal.
I got talking with the parts manager and he said he was even confused why Nissan was going to stop making the 6OU00 filter. But, here's the weird part...
When he enter part # 15208-60U00 (VE filter) in the computer, under comments the computer said "15208-55Y00 will replace".
Then when we checked part # 15208-55Y00 (VG filter) it said "15208-6OU00 will replace". Even the Nissan computer is confused.
The Nissan computer is doing the right thing. The 60U00 no longer "exists" in the computer's eyes, so your invoice will only show a 55Y00.
They aren't making it anymore because it is either more expensive to make than the 55Y00, or simply that 1 filter serving more applications is cheaper than 2 filters serving the same number of uses.
Originally posted by MrGone maybe send him a napa gold filter?
ill ship him one if cost is an issue.
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Napa Golds really aren't VE-specific. They are VG-specific.
There is no aftermarket VE-specific filter. Same goes for VH45s, VG30DE, and VG30DTT. All simply re-use the one for the VG30E since so many are out there. The 'yota filter is probably your best choice.
I'd figure this information would help any VE owners that are contemplating the yota filter.
My VTCs tick about 60% of the time normally. But not usually on cold starts, but it ticks mostly on warm starts. Like if I run into the grocery store, come out, then crank it up.. tick tick tick tick.
I installed the Toyota 90915-YZZA2 OEM filter about 2.5 weeks ago. And I've noticed VTC ticking maybe a total of about 1 minute in those 2.5 weeks. Simply amazing!! My VTC noise is gone. I'm a believer in the anti drain back valve. If you are having any VTC noise, for $6 and some change... it's worth a shot. Go try it!
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On the Toyota 90915-YZZA2 filter, I just ordered a couple for my ticking 92 VE 5sp. The parts guy said this is for a 4 cyl. Wouldn't a V-6 normally need more oil flow rate than a 4 cyl? Have you guys considered that, any possible long term lack-of-lubrication effects?
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Originally posted by sgoyal On the Toyota 90915-YZZA2 filter, I just ordered a couple for my ticking 92 VE 5sp. The parts guy said this is for a 4 cyl. Wouldn't a V-6 normally need more oil flow rate than a 4 cyl? Have you guys considered that, any possible long term lack-of-lubrication effects?
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Its also teeny tiny, about half the size of the nissan filter. Other people can explain it better. Basically ive been told it cross references and others have been using it and doing really well for awhile now.
Originally posted by sgoyal On the Toyota 90915-YZZA2 filter, I just ordered a couple for my ticking 92 VE 5sp. The parts guy said this is for a 4 cyl. Wouldn't a V-6 normally need more oil flow rate than a 4 cyl? Have you guys considered that, any possible long term lack-of-lubrication effects?
Serv
Most newer oil filters have very similar flow rates, regardless of application. Purolator makes a catalog that goes into this deeper. They are the only major manufacturer who publishes those flow rates of filters in their filter catalogs. Most flow rates of Japanese 4 and 6 cylinder engines are the same.
Plus, many VE owners here have used the filter without incident, which is the best indicator of its performance.
Most newer oil filters have very similar flow rates, regardless of application. Purolator makes a catalog that goes into this deeper. They are the only major manufacturer who publishes those flow rates of filters in their filter catalogs. Most flow rates of Japanese 4 and 6 cylinder engines are the same.
Plus, many VE owners here have used the filter without incident, which is the best indicator of its performance.
Bill, thanks much for the info. This forum Rocks. Did you already have that pic. or took it just now, great. I feel better going with the smaller filter now. Found a place on the web selling them for $4.00 each, shipping is $6.00 for 6 filters.
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Bill, thanks much for the info. This forum Rocks. Did you already have that pic. or took it just now, great. I feel better going with the smaller filter now. Found a place on the web selling them for $4.00 each, shipping is $6.00 for 6 filters.
The pic was mere coincidence. I remembered seeing it a couple of weeks ago, and Aaron knew where it was better than I did.
My local Toyota dealer had them going for $4 as well if you bought 3 of them.....
I've used toyota filter for over a year now. I have no problem with it at all. The only problem for me is to find a cheaper toyota filter. It's $8.6 CDN included tax.
Originally posted by tkl I've used toyota filter for over a year now. I have no problem with it at all. The only problem for me is to find a cheaper toyota filter. It's $8.6 CDN included tax.
Hey, if it'll keep the VTCs happy, its worth spending an the extra money for the filter every 3 months. (remember a 'regular' filter costs atleast 2-3 bucks anyway)
Now I can't wait to try this fix. The ticking is starting to embarass me at stop lights. I kinda feel like a ignorent driver sitting there with my engine clacking/ticking away.
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Originally posted by bill99gxe I remembered seeing it a couple of weeks ago, and Aaron knew where it was better than I did.
I remembered where the pic was b/c I took it and hosted it. I took it when I did my last oil change. I removed the PureOne and compared it.
Update on my VTC ticking. My ticking is back a little bit but it's still nowhere near as loud as it was when using the stock OEM VE filter or PureOne. Instead of ticking 2% of the time, I'd say it's ticking 25% of the time now. Before the yota filter, it was ticking 60% of the time. I'm still happy.
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I remembered where the pic was b/c I took it and hosted it. I took it when I did my last oil change. I removed the PureOne and compared it.
Update on my VTC ticking. My ticking is back a little bit but it's still nowhere near as loud as it was when using the stock OEM VE filter or PureOne. Instead of ticking 2% of the time, I'd say it's ticking 25% of the time now. Before the yota filter, it was ticking 60% of the time. I'm still happy.
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I'm sorry, I wasn't too clear on my last post. Here ya go:
Toyota filter = 25% tick rate after 3 weeks.
PureONE filter = 60% tick rate all the time.
Toyota filter = 2% tick rate in the first 3 weeks.
OEM VE filter = 60% tick rate, the same as PureONE.
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any1 w/ bad vtc ever tried an expensive a$$ mobil 1 filter or the other ac ultragaurd plus or whatever that eric recommended? just wonderin, if that toyota works better than the mobil 1 for vtc than ill gladly spend less $ and get 1
Bill, thanks much for the info. This forum Rocks. Did you already have that pic. or took it just now, great. I feel better going with the smaller filter now. Found a place on the web selling them for $4.00 each, shipping is $6.00 for 6 filters.
Would you mind sharing the website where you ordered the Toyota filters? Thanks.
Hey Guys,
I just bought my Toyota filter for my VE. What am I supposed to do with the fiber washer that came with it? It's about 3/4" OD X 7/16" ID. I guess we should all be diligent about changing our filter at 3,000 miles. The filter on my lawn tractor is bigger than this weenie thing!
Originally posted by tucker The filter on my lawn tractor is bigger than this weenie thing!
Your lawn tractor engine has to operate in much more dusty conditions than an average car engine, hence the bigger filter. As filter and oil technology improves, filter elements are getting smaller and smaller. NO worries.
Serv
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I am 3300 miles since my first time getting the toyota filter. It came with no washer of any kind...just got back from toyota and bought two of them and neither have an associated washer. 100miles up to my dad's house....pushing my 3000mark pretty far
Hmmm, just got my last oil change (at Nissan dealership, as always) a week ago, and now my VTC is ticking more often and louder than ever. I guess they've just started switching to that 'other' oil filter. So the Toyota filter fit perfectly? No leaks or anything? I wonder what my next oil change guy will say if I told him to fit a Toyota filter into a Nissan. I don't know if my dealer would do it... Plus the only reason I went to the dealer is to make sure they would use the right filter anyway. And I guess they can't do that anymore...
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Originally posted by snowman2155 what website is that filter at sgoyal?
Guys, I bought from:
Toyota Wholesale Parts
801 State Highway 114, East
Grapevine, Texas 76051
888-272-8840
The filter price is $4.03 each. Shipping has changed slightly from the time I bought. Now it's $8.50 for 1-12 filters. Which is actually a good deal if you like the filter.
I've yet to install it in my 92 SE. I'm thinking of doing the filter changer along with Amsoil switch.
Good luck,
Serv
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I am really interested in this conversation. So, in your opinion, which is a better oil filter: the nissan oil filter(#15208-60V00) or the toyota filter(#90915-YZZA2)? Also, what grade oil do you use? The recommended oil for the Maxima is 5W-30.
Both are good, although most (if not all) who have used the Toyota filter report lower/reduced noise if their VTC assemblies are "faulty". That would tend to indicate the 'yota OEM filter flows better/allows the VTC assemblies to be better lubricated.
And that's 15208-60U00 filter. You will have a hard time finding them at this point.
One of the guys in my area has that ticking noise that you are describing in his 4th gen. It's coming from the rear of the engine bay (closest to the cabin) and happens after he shuts the engine off. Can someone refer me to a thread/FAQ/other/etc where it explains what it is and how to fix it.
I'll also tell him about the oil filters (if that applies to his car).
Since some are worried about the size difference have you ever seen the the ones that come off of the VQs? They are about 40% smaller than the VE OEM filter. I've seen 4cyl fords come with oil filters the size of a jumbo size can of beans. When it comes to oil filters, size doesn't matter. To all that have contributed info to this thread thanks for the useful info. I'm gonna call up the Yota dealer from work and and get a few of their filters and try them out. I'll be hitting 150K today and its time for its oil change.
Originally posted by aznsap i think i have the 15208-00001 filter on right now. what is the difference between this and the 15208-60U00?
The 15208-00001 filter is a Courtesy Nissan-specific part number, not the actual OEM part number. Please visit the first page in this thread to see the color differences between the VE and VG oil filters and match that picture to what you have on your vehicle currently.
I found a 15208-60U00 filter in my garage which must be around at least a year or maybe a year and a half old. Would it be a good idea to go ahead and use it? I'm a bit unsure only because my friend tried to use an old filter (around a year old) on his Integra and the gasket just broke apart after he put it on.
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Even the Nissan computer is confused.
Here ya go! Yes, it is tiny compared to a filter that's exactly the same size as the OEM VE filter.
Did you already have that pic. or took it just now, great. I feel better going with the smaller filter now. Found a place on the web selling them for $4.00 each, shipping is $6.00 for 6 filters.
I took it when I did my last oil change. I removed the PureOne and compared it.
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