5.7 Gen 293 hp/ 269 Tq closed exhaust, stock cams
02-24-2012, 06:50 AM
#1
5.7 Gen 293 hp/ 269 Tq closed exhaust, stock cams
Well here it is! Took 3 dyno trips over the last 6 months but ive finally got the car where i want it! I stuck with it and didnt quit. My VERY first pull on stock ecu was 234 hp i beleive, now im at 293 with the Haltech.
CUTOUT CLOSED = STD 293 / 269 , SAE 287 / 263
CUTOUT OPEN= STD 298 / 271 , SAE 292 / 266
I have STOCK CAMS!!!!
Done 20 pulls, not a lot of tuning, at one point made 271 TQ with closed cutout. First pull was 287, then 289 on 2ed, so with a little tuning i hit 292 several times at 293 one time.
The SSIM 09 manifold is NUTSSSSSSSSSSS I make 290 hp at 6000, by 71000 rpm im making 286! so over 1100 rpm top end i lose ONLY 4 HP! I would like to extend the limiter even more and see how power falls off!
I figured now that i'm "up here" ill have to prove it even more so i have vids to prove whats going on, 1 with cutout closed and a 292 hp run, and then cutout open at 297 run, took these to prove there is no dyno tricks, no airfilter off none of that crap. I literally done pull after pull after pull, then cool down to open cutout, then 3 more pulls. I was expecting to brake 300 with cutout open cuz last time i got 8whp from it, this time i didnt get much at all.
Cutout closed
Cutout open
Oh with smoothing at 0 on this run max power = 308 / 271 hahaa
Here is the video!
Id like to get a run file of a 5.5 gen, 6 mt, ssim, 3.5 maf, tuned, ANYONE HAVE ONE? that's the most fair comparison of old motor vs 09 that i can think of.
Ill upload my run files today, and post links to vids when dyno shop uploads em. ALSO i have Haltech logs that i will post to, you cal dl the software and view them.
Here are the Run files and Haltech logs, its a google docs folder
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0Bzm...M21mR0x6ZkliQQ
MOD LIST at time of dyno runs!
5.7 Gen Mod list:
Engine-
- 2009 Maxima VQ35
- 75 mm Throttle body
- Composite intake manifold (first one SSIM'd)
- 52 mm intake ports on heads
- 10.6:1 Compression
- 09 stock cams
- 380 cc DW injectors
- ARP rodbolts
- ACL Race bearings
- Cattman genIII headers
- Cattman 3" catback
- 3" ypipe with cutout (unequal length)
- Removed stock oil warmer
- 3.5 Intake Piping
- Velocity Stack
- 6" AEM Dryflow Filter
- 4.133 Final drive
- Fidanza flywheel
- Spec stage 3 clutch
Engine Management-
- Haltech 350Z ECU
- VoltageDrop.net Plug and Play Haltech harness
- Haltech Dual channel Wideband
- Dual channel wb gauge
- Exhaust Valve Timing ran by Haltech only
CUTOUT CLOSED = STD 293 / 269 , SAE 287 / 263
CUTOUT OPEN= STD 298 / 271 , SAE 292 / 266
I have STOCK CAMS!!!!
Done 20 pulls, not a lot of tuning, at one point made 271 TQ with closed cutout. First pull was 287, then 289 on 2ed, so with a little tuning i hit 292 several times at 293 one time.
The SSIM 09 manifold is NUTSSSSSSSSSSS I make 290 hp at 6000, by 71000 rpm im making 286! so over 1100 rpm top end i lose ONLY 4 HP! I would like to extend the limiter even more and see how power falls off!
I figured now that i'm "up here" ill have to prove it even more so i have vids to prove whats going on, 1 with cutout closed and a 292 hp run, and then cutout open at 297 run, took these to prove there is no dyno tricks, no airfilter off none of that crap. I literally done pull after pull after pull, then cool down to open cutout, then 3 more pulls. I was expecting to brake 300 with cutout open cuz last time i got 8whp from it, this time i didnt get much at all.
Cutout closed
Cutout open
Oh with smoothing at 0 on this run max power = 308 / 271 hahaa
Here is the video!
Id like to get a run file of a 5.5 gen, 6 mt, ssim, 3.5 maf, tuned, ANYONE HAVE ONE? that's the most fair comparison of old motor vs 09 that i can think of.
Ill upload my run files today, and post links to vids when dyno shop uploads em. ALSO i have Haltech logs that i will post to, you cal dl the software and view them.
Here are the Run files and Haltech logs, its a google docs folder
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0Bzm...M21mR0x6ZkliQQ
MOD LIST at time of dyno runs!
5.7 Gen Mod list:
Engine-
- 2009 Maxima VQ35
- 75 mm Throttle body
- Composite intake manifold (first one SSIM'd)
- 52 mm intake ports on heads
- 10.6:1 Compression
- 09 stock cams
- 380 cc DW injectors
- ARP rodbolts
- ACL Race bearings
- Cattman genIII headers
- Cattman 3" catback
- 3" ypipe with cutout (unequal length)
- Removed stock oil warmer
- 3.5 Intake Piping
- Velocity Stack
- 6" AEM Dryflow Filter
- 4.133 Final drive
- Fidanza flywheel
- Spec stage 3 clutch
Engine Management-
- Haltech 350Z ECU
- VoltageDrop.net Plug and Play Haltech harness
- Haltech Dual channel Wideband
- Dual channel wb gauge
- Exhaust Valve Timing ran by Haltech only
Last edited by SurraTT; 03-01-2012 at 02:36 PM.
02-24-2012, 07:04 AM
#3
Showing my last trip, both closed cutout.
Changes from that run vs new run=
Haltech, working EVT, 380 injectors, and ssim
Also to note, at 7100 rpm my 380 injectors are at 79% DC.
Changes from that run vs new run=
Haltech, working EVT, 380 injectors, and ssim
Also to note, at 7100 rpm my 380 injectors are at 79% DC.
02-24-2012, 07:06 AM
#4
One step for man, One Giant leap for MaximaKind! Good epic grief!
I've got the DRF's you seek and I will send them over when i get home since they're on my home LT.
That is insane. I now feel as if the majority of us are wasting our time with our measly 2nd gen DE's.
I cannot believe/fathom that top end power, it's, just wow. Couple that with the fact that it's still boasting a very meaty torque curve.
Man oh man, I would like to see the HT files. This is Epic, no other way to explain it.
Of all the people on this board, you're the last guy we need to worry about not providing proof. All the better.
02-24-2012, 07:07 AM
#5
Next more testing with stuff. 4" intake pipe , putting old stock cattman y pipe back on also.
Not wanting to do cams, just a huge pain to install and the $. Id rather do a build with my spare HR heads and stuff then do cams with motor in the car.
02-24-2012, 07:16 AM
#7
One step for man, One Giant leap for MaximaKind! Good epic grief!
I've got the DRF's you seek and I will send them over when i get home since they're on my home LT.
That is insane. I now feel as if the majority of us are wasting our time with our measly 2nd gen DE's.
I cannot believe/fathom that top end power, it's, just wow. Couple that with the fact that it's still boasting a very meaty torque curve.
Man oh man, I would like to see the HT files. This is Epic, no other way to explain it.
Of all the people on this board, you're the last guy we need to worry about not providing proof. All the better.
NICEEEEE email them to me!!!!! that will be the best comparison that i can think of!
YEP if someone dont want to do a motor build, porting heads, and all that. Swap in a 09 motor, haltech, and the usual bolt ons. That will be right where im at. And all of that will be far less then a motor build! $$$
I can think of a few FWD VQ race cars that NEED THIS MOTOR. Comon guys am i STILL THE ONLY ONE? I can only do so much! I want to see how someone else does this swap!
HAHA yeah but im SHUTTING any kind of disbelief off before it even happens. Ive been to the SAME dyno every time, yeah granted if i go to a different dyno my numbers will be different. I'm just not going to put up with any kind of "BULLSH**"
So whats the FWD , NA, stock cam record?
I could sure use a little extra power.
02-24-2012, 07:21 AM
#10
Thanks!
Crazy thing is, the tune is decent but not right at all. My Cam timing maps are not optimal by far. Its going rich right at WOT.
I really need a VQ, Haltech tuner to get it RIGHT.
NEW GOAL IS close to 300whp as possible on stock cams and closed exhaust.
I just got my old goal of 290's with closed cutout.
Crazy thing is, the tune is decent but not right at all. My Cam timing maps are not optimal by far. Its going rich right at WOT.
I really need a VQ, Haltech tuner to get it RIGHT.
NEW GOAL IS close to 300whp as possible on stock cams and closed exhaust.
I just got my old goal of 290's with closed cutout.
02-24-2012, 07:23 AM
#11
02-24-2012, 07:36 AM
#14
I’m sure that EVT has a lot to do with that top end gain, or lack of thereof a drop.
From what has been documented on here, from my memory (I’m getting old now though) Let’s see:
I would say sparks with his SSSIM would be the highest. (280ish) In the 260-270 realm, of course we have Jay_Pee, SR, then Elon, Doug (AT) then the list populates pretty violently down in the 250’s. Of course, that’s the list of people on DynoJets which I think, in order to compare as apples to apples as possible in our case is our best bet for such comparisons.
(‘ecpt for Doug, but he deserves to be on that list because 264 in an AT is awesome).
GF’s having a little get together at our house on Saturday(chicks only). I’m taking my laptop and everything on it to my mom’s and will be going through a bunch dynos and sending them your way and analyzing the shyt out of them to see
ever there is to see.
At that time I’ll be able to get all my DRF’s and sorta see who’s done what, etc, from my files anyhow.
From what has been documented on here, from my memory (I’m getting old now though) Let’s see:
I would say sparks with his SSSIM would be the highest. (280ish) In the 260-270 realm, of course we have Jay_Pee, SR, then Elon, Doug (AT) then the list populates pretty violently down in the 250’s. Of course, that’s the list of people on DynoJets which I think, in order to compare as apples to apples as possible in our case is our best bet for such comparisons.
(‘ecpt for Doug, but he deserves to be on that list because 264 in an AT is awesome).
GF’s having a little get together at our house on Saturday(chicks only). I’m taking my laptop and everything on it to my mom’s and will be going through a bunch dynos and sending them your way and analyzing the shyt out of them to see
ever there is to see. At that time I’ll be able to get all my DRF’s and sorta see who’s done what, etc, from my files anyhow.
02-24-2012, 07:36 AM
#15
I still have plenty left to do on my 02 motor like big MAF, big TB, aggressive cams, 5K stall converter, Haltech, and custom IM. Once those are out of the way, it's nice to know I can always upgrade to an 09 motor.
02-24-2012, 07:42 AM
#17
Variable CAM TESTING
OK so this was a QUICK TEST, AFR was all to **** when i turned them off
Issues: with evt off i made more low end, why? cuz im having issues with going wot and going rich.
run 9 = working ivt and evt
IVT has a huge effect on the whole graph, it does catch up to peak power close to redline tho.
EVT effects power but not a lot, it def adds in top end.
KEEP IN MIND MY variable cam maps are totally adjusted by me and i def dont have them tuned right at all. haahh
Edit: to all you 3.0 timing guys, are you SURE you don't want variable intake cam timing? ONLY exception is supercharged 3.0's all others have no reason to run a 3.0 timing cover.
Issues: with evt off i made more low end, why? cuz im having issues with going wot and going rich.
run 9 = working ivt and evt
IVT has a huge effect on the whole graph, it does catch up to peak power close to redline tho.
EVT effects power but not a lot, it def adds in top end.
KEEP IN MIND MY variable cam maps are totally adjusted by me and i def dont have them tuned right at all. haahh
Edit: to all you 3.0 timing guys, are you SURE you don't want variable intake cam timing? ONLY exception is supercharged 3.0's all others have no reason to run a 3.0 timing cover.
Last edited by SurraTT; 02-24-2012 at 07:49 AM.
02-24-2012, 07:47 AM
#19
I’m sure that EVT has a lot to do with that top end gain, or lack of thereof a drop.
From what has been documented on here, from my memory (I’m getting old now though) Let’s see:
I would say sparks with his SSSIM would be the highest. (280ish) In the 260-270 realm, of course we have Jay_Pee, SR, then Elon, Doug (AT) then the list populates pretty violently down in the 250’s. Of course, that’s the list of people on DynoJets which I think, in order to compare as apples to apples as possible in our case is our best bet for such comparisons.
(‘ecpt for Doug, but he deserves to be on that list because 264 in an AT is awesome).
GF’s having a little get together at our house on Saturday(chicks only). I’m taking my laptop and everything on it to my mom’s and will be going through a bunch dynos and sending them your way and analyzing the shyt out of them to see ever there is to see.
At that time I’ll be able to get all my DRF’s and sorta see who’s done what, etc, from my files anyhow.
From what has been documented on here, from my memory (I’m getting old now though) Let’s see:
I would say sparks with his SSSIM would be the highest. (280ish) In the 260-270 realm, of course we have Jay_Pee, SR, then Elon, Doug (AT) then the list populates pretty violently down in the 250’s. Of course, that’s the list of people on DynoJets which I think, in order to compare as apples to apples as possible in our case is our best bet for such comparisons.
(‘ecpt for Doug, but he deserves to be on that list because 264 in an AT is awesome).
GF’s having a little get together at our house on Saturday(chicks only). I’m taking my laptop and everything on it to my mom’s and will be going through a bunch dynos and sending them your way and analyzing the shyt out of them to see
ever there is to see. At that time I’ll be able to get all my DRF’s and sorta see who’s done what, etc, from my files anyhow.
Yea i just posted the graph, EVT is good for about 5 hp up top. and thats at umm 10 degree advanced i think idk.
OK so like i thought never a stock cam in the 290's
niceeee sounds good!
Thanks!
02-24-2012, 08:30 AM
#22
Awesome numbers.
Tell that to aakshun he argues about flat tq lines then thinks that VTCs are useless. 
02-24-2012, 08:38 AM
#24
Let Hal at Dynosty work his magic on the tune. He will take you over the 300whp mark.
BTW I still make more power and torque then you :P lol. But it is nice to know if I blow up my vq35de that I have the option for a new vq35.
BTW I still make more power and torque then you :P lol. But it is nice to know if I blow up my vq35de that I have the option for a new vq35.
02-24-2012, 08:49 AM
#25
Me and him are going to have a lil sit down
haha we will see, i know that he is the haltech + vq person forsure!
Im just not done making changes yet.
hahah yeah well im glad you make more power then me, if you didnt something woudl be wrong.. haah
02-24-2012, 11:18 AM
#30
speaking from a "3.0 guys" perspective and this doesnt apply to everybody, but when you want this done but you are paying someone and they just basically say they wont do the full swap (ive asked) then "us 3.0 guys" are just straight up short folk lol... anyways back on topic... extremely sexy numbers here
02-24-2012, 11:42 AM
#31
speaking from a "3.0 guys" perspective and this doesnt apply to everybody, but when you want this done but you are paying someone and they just basically say they wont do the full swap (ive asked) then "us 3.0 guys" are just straight up short folk lol... anyways back on topic... extremely sexy numbers here
You're in luck Darren. I actually have Elon's DRF's here at work.
CUTOUT CLOSED
K&N Filter
Place Racing CAI
3” MAF (77mm, touch smaller than the LRMAF)
SS.5IM ( fairly worked the inside, more so than the average Joe would do)
Z33 Injectors
2 º BTDC
TS L-Spec
CM Gen II Headers
2.5” TP
CM 3”
15.9 Wheels w/ BF Goodrich Drag Radials
Not sure on his engine mount set-up, nor if he had an ETL. I seriously think this does help. I noticed it when I installed my stuff.
Last edited by NmexMAX; 02-24-2012 at 12:11 PM.
02-24-2012, 12:12 PM
#35
Cool, thanks! So full mod list on that car?
EDIT i just read the post again! haha. its pretty close. But need a car on a utec tune atleast.
Its gonna be hard to find a car modded the same just with old motor.
Sparks is the closest but he dont have ssim +3.5 intake runs. I can compare to the custom i/m but thats not really the goal here.
EDIT i just read the post again! haha. its pretty close. But need a car on a utec tune atleast.
Its gonna be hard to find a car modded the same just with old motor.
Sparks is the closest but he dont have ssim +3.5 intake runs. I can compare to the custom i/m but thats not really the goal here.
02-24-2012, 12:15 PM
#36
Cool, thanks! So full mod list on that car?
EDIT i just read the post again! haha. its pretty close. But need a car on a utec tune atleast.
Its gonna be hard to find a car modded the same just with old motor.
Sparks is the closest but he dont have ssim +3.5 intake runs. I can compare to the custom i/m but thats not really the goal here.
EDIT i just read the post again! haha. its pretty close. But need a car on a utec tune atleast.
Its gonna be hard to find a car modded the same just with old motor.
Sparks is the closest but he dont have ssim +3.5 intake runs. I can compare to the custom i/m but thats not really the goal here.
Need some 6MT'ers to step up.
Darren's savvy enough to get it from tuning I'm sure. Light(er)weight smaller diameter wheels, ETL and PUR bushings.
Last edited by NmexMAX; 02-24-2012 at 12:29 PM.
02-24-2012, 12:23 PM
#37
Serious dude, red AND ALL CAPS. I wont run either of those parts just because the way you are talking about them.
I stay out of much drama as i can, but do not bring that crap it into this EPIC thread.
SOMEONE GIVE ME MOD POWERS!!!!!! lolz
Last edited by NmexMAX; 02-24-2012 at 12:29 PM.
02-24-2012, 12:38 PM
#40
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