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02-29-2008, 03:36 PM
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Technosquare vs automatic/self learn
ok so following up to SLVRMAXX's thread.... for those of you that havent read it. he was tuned with a VAFC2 and made 240ish hp. but he went to dyno it again a while later and the results were 214whp. wtf. so i guess the self learn is true.
the last time i dynoed my car i ran 262whp tuned with a safc2. i wonder what my numbers are now with the "self learn process." I probably dont want to find out. So i decided to give technosquare a call to reprogram my ecu.
the lady told me they no longer reprogram automatics because there was some problems conflicting with the automatic ecu. she didnt really elaborate on what it was.  i think PRJCTMAX or something has the technosquare ecu on his automatic 6th gen. any problems? wtf is she talking about?
as of right now im pretty pissed off at this self learn bs. So my question is what should i do? definately not doing a piggyback again. Will the emanage ultimate rid the self learn crap? thanks. |
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02-29-2008, 03:40 PM
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phil....get some dyno pulls before you jump to conclusions...maybe my car is just gay 
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02-29-2008, 04:05 PM
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I have the F-spec TS ECU...and no problems...
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02-29-2008, 05:57 PM
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I think this is the first time seeing your car do you have a link to your mods?
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02-29-2008, 06:06 PM
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My car is consistent +/-1 peak whp each time I dyno with the same mods. I dyno 2-3x/year, and always see the same results, UNLESS I change something.
Oh and BTW, if your car has WBO2's stock, it just might self learn, if not,  , it's just not possible.
If these(A33B) cars self learned, then everyone would have an 82mm MAF housing and no SAFC w/ a perfect AFR. |
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02-29-2008, 06:44 PM
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I also have the TS flash on my 6th gen with no issues. Man I wonder what's up with TS. I've been hearing alot of stuff now about them giving people weird responses as to why they wont tune their cars.
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02-29-2008, 08:50 PM
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WTF , I just Email TS about a L-spec for my 04 5AT , they said didnt say anything of that sort in the Email ???
Should I be concerned ?
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02-29-2008, 09:51 PM
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Well that depends on what they told you.
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That depends on what they told you.
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03-01-2008, 01:12 AM
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That depends on what they told you.
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I think you Quote me but with your words, They only contact me by Email and not in person.
Im going to shoot them another Email to make sure were on the same page with my setup
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03-01-2008, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by SLVRMAXX
phil....get some dyno pulls before you jump to conclusions...maybe my car is just gay |
i will definitely do that. i did speak with hogan briefly and he said yes. i have self learn also.
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I have the F-spec TS ECU...and no problems...
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yeah but you did buy it a LOOOOONG time ago if i remember correctly
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I think this is the first time seeing your car do you have a link to your mods?
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uhh iono its around here somewhere. but basically every bolt on that out there i have. dynos in my sig.
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My car is consistent +/-1 peak whp each time I dyno with the same mods. I dyno 2-3x/year, and always see the same results, UNLESS I change something.
Oh and BTW, if your car has WBO2's stock, it just might self learn, if not, , it's just not possible.
If these(A33B) cars self learned, then everyone would have an 82mm MAF housing and no SAFC w/ a perfect AFR. |
i think i do have wbo2 stock. but im definitely dynoing again.
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WTF , I just Email TS about a L-spec for my 04 5AT , they said didnt say anything of that sort in the Email ???
Should I be concerned ?
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yup thats what they told me. they dont make them anymore for autotragics.
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03-01-2008, 07:28 AM
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I did get it a while ago...which would give it enough time to have something wrong with it...correct? lol which nothing bad has happened with it *knock on wood*
I am 99.9% positive that if it's an 04', then it does NOT have WB02's from factory...so I'm good! 
Maybe I should sell my TS for 3x what I bought it for since the demand is high and no supply is there  |
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03-01-2008, 11:28 AM
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UTEC UTEC UTEC  |
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03-01-2008, 08:05 PM
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I think u made a typo, dont worry i fixed it for you.
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03-01-2008, 08:31 PM
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well I email them.... they better be able to tune the ecu.. or else im out of luck
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03-01-2008, 09:59 PM
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UTEC UTEC UTEC |
 BUT...if no L-spec, then OEM ECU will over-ride the settings soon enough
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I think u made a typo, dont worry i fixed it for you.
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Not really...if you get an AFC+installed=about same price as UTEC, just a little more...UTEC=plug n' play and AFC=splice
One can be picked up for $600 shipped on my350z.com
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03-01-2008, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by !PrjctMax!
BUT...if no L-spec, then OEM ECU will over-ride the settings soon enough
Not really...if you get an AFC+installed=about same price as UTEC, just a little more...UTEC=plug n' play and AFC=splice
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Yeah but the Utec doesnt cutt of the goven and raised the rev does it?
Only TS has crack that , so whats the point of the Utec beside being able to tune it . Also I dont see anyone selling a Utec on 350z ..and 600 Bucks ?
Hell if TS cant crack my ecu , its NEO + Turbo then
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03-02-2008, 03:39 AM
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Yeah but the Utec doesnt cutt of the goven and raised the rev does it?
Only TS has crack that , so whats the point of the Utec beside being able to tune it . Also I dont see anyone selling a Utec on 350z ..and 600 Bucks ?
Hell if TS cant crack my ecu , its NEO + Turbo then
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Not trying to be an ass, but isnt that the whole point? And im pretty sure the UTEC will do it in closer increments, timing, 5 maps, knock sensor, datalogging and yes i do belive it allows changing the rev limiter on 03 & 04 Z iirc.
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03-02-2008, 09:06 AM
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03-03-2008, 07:31 AM
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The UTEC can do everything the F-spec does, minus altering CVTC maps. I thought we've been through this already?
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03-05-2008, 01:40 AM
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What is "self learn"?
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03-05-2008, 02:40 PM
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What is "self learn"?
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not sure if that's sarcasm?...but the stock ECU will "self learn" around any parameters set by a piggy-back AFC
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03-05-2008, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by !PrjctMax!
not sure if that's sarcasm?...but the stock ECU will "self learn" around any parameters set by a piggy-back AFC
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This has yet to be quantitatively proven on the A34, and just is not possible on the A32 or A33/B.
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