Technosquare vs automatic/self learn

Look-at-my-MAX · 02-29-2008, 03:36 PM

ok so following up to SLVRMAXX's thread.... for those of you that havent read it. he was tuned with a VAFC2 and made 240ish hp. but he went to dyno it again a while later and the results were 214whp. wtf. so i guess the self learn is true.

the last time i dynoed my car i ran 262whp tuned with a safc2. i wonder what my numbers are now with the "self learn process." I probably dont want to find out. So i decided to give technosquare a call to reprogram my ecu.

the lady told me they no longer reprogram automatics because there was some problems conflicting with the automatic ecu. she didnt really elaborate on what it was.

i think PRJCTMAX or something has the technosquare ecu on his automatic 6th gen. any problems? wtf is she talking about?

as of right now im pretty pissed off at this self learn bs. So my question is what should i do? definately not doing a piggyback again. Will the emanage ultimate rid the self learn crap? thanks.

*pbn85* · 02-29-2008, 03:40 PM

phil....get some dyno pulls before you jump to conclusions...maybe my car is just gay

!PrjctMax! · 02-29-2008, 04:05 PM

I have the F-spec TS ECU...and no problems...

*ajcool2* · 02-29-2008, 05:57 PM

I think this is the first time seeing your car do you have a link to your mods?

*NmexMAX* · 02-29-2008, 06:06 PM

My car is consistent +/-1 peak whp each time I dyno with the same mods. I dyno 2-3x/year, and always see the same results, UNLESS I change something.

Oh and BTW, if your car has WBO2's stock, it just might self learn, if not,

, it's just not possible.

If these(A33B) cars self learned, then everyone would have an 82mm MAF housing and no SAFC w/ a perfect AFR.

shawndon · 02-29-2008, 06:44 PM

I also have the TS flash on my 6th gen with no issues. Man I wonder what's up with TS. I've been hearing alot of stuff now about them giving people weird responses as to why they wont tune their cars.

NiZMo1o1 · 02-29-2008, 08:50 PM

WTF , I just Email TS about a L-spec for my 04 5AT , they said didnt say anything of that sort in the Email ???

Should I be concerned ?

*NmexMAX* · 02-29-2008, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NiZMo1o1

Well that depends on what they told you.

That depends on what they told you.

NiZMo1o1 · 03-01-2008, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by NmexMAX

That depends on what they told you.

I think you Quote me but with your words, They only contact me by Email and not in person.

Im going to shoot them another Email to make sure were on the same page with my setup

Look-at-my-MAX · 03-01-2008, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SLVRMAXX

phil....get some dyno pulls before you jump to conclusions...maybe my car is just gay

i will definitely do that. i did speak with hogan briefly and he said yes. i have self learn also.

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Originally Posted by !PrjctMax!

I have the F-spec TS ECU...and no problems...

yeah but you did buy it a LOOOOONG time ago if i remember correctly

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Originally Posted by ajcool2

I think this is the first time seeing your car do you have a link to your mods?

uhh iono its around here somewhere. but basically every bolt on that out there i have. dynos in my sig.

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Originally Posted by NmexMAX

My car is consistent +/-1 peak whp each time I dyno with the same mods. I dyno 2-3x/year, and always see the same results, UNLESS I change something.

Oh and BTW, if your car has WBO2's stock, it just might self learn, if not,

, it's just not possible.

If these(A33B) cars self learned, then everyone would have an 82mm MAF housing and no SAFC w/ a perfect AFR.

i think i do have wbo2 stock. but im definitely dynoing again.

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Originally Posted by NiZMo1o1

WTF , I just Email TS about a L-spec for my 04 5AT , they said didnt say anything of that sort in the Email ???

Should I be concerned ?

yup thats what they told me. they dont make them anymore for autotragics.

!PrjctMax! · 03-01-2008, 07:28 AM

I did get it a while ago...which would give it enough time to have something wrong with it...correct? lol which nothing bad has happened with it *knock on wood*

I am 99.9% positive that if it's an 04', then it does NOT have WB02's from factory...so I'm good!

Maybe I should sell my TS for 3x what I bought it for since the demand is high and no supply is there

*NmexMAX* · 03-01-2008, 11:28 AM

UTEC UTEC UTEC

Look-at-my-MAX · 03-01-2008, 08:05 PM

I think u made a typo, dont worry i fixed it for you.

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Originally Posted by NmexMAX

$ $ $

NiZMo1o1 · 03-01-2008, 08:31 PM

well I email them.... they better be able to tune the ecu.. or else im out of luck

!PrjctMax! · 03-01-2008, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NmexMAX

UTEC UTEC UTEC

BUT...if no L-spec, then OEM ECU will over-ride the settings soon enough

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Originally Posted by Look-at-my-MAX

I think u made a typo, dont worry i fixed it for you.

Not really...if you get an AFC+installed=about same price as UTEC, just a little more...UTEC=plug n' play and AFC=splice

One can be picked up for $600 shipped on my350z.com

NiZMo1o1 · 03-01-2008, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by !PrjctMax!

BUT...if no L-spec, then OEM ECU will over-ride the settings soon enough

Not really...if you get an AFC+installed=about same price as UTEC, just a little more...UTEC=plug n' play and AFC=splice

One can be picked up for $600 shipped on my350z.com

Yeah but the Utec doesnt cutt of the goven and raised the rev does it?

Only TS has crack that , so whats the point of the Utec beside being able to tune it . Also I dont see anyone selling a Utec on 350z ..and 600 Bucks ?

Hell if TS cant crack my ecu , its NEO + Turbo then

*AceofSpds* · 03-02-2008, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by NiZMo1o1

Yeah but the Utec doesnt cutt of the goven and raised the rev does it?

Only TS has crack that , so whats the point of the Utec beside being able to tune it . Also I dont see anyone selling a Utec on 350z ..and 600 Bucks ?

Hell if TS cant crack my ecu , its NEO + Turbo then

Not trying to be an ***, but isnt that the whole point? And im pretty sure the UTEC will do it in closer increments, timing, 5 maps, knock sensor, datalogging and yes i do belive it allows changing the rev limiter on 03 & 04 Z iirc.

!PrjctMax! · 03-02-2008, 09:06 AM

Changes the rev limiter

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=327451

*NmexMAX* · 03-03-2008, 07:31 AM

The UTEC can do everything the F-spec does, minus altering CVTC maps. I thought we've been through this already?

*ptatohed* · 03-05-2008, 01:40 AM

What is "self learn"?

!PrjctMax! · 03-05-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ptatohed

What is "self learn"?

not sure if that's sarcasm?...but the stock ECU will "self learn" around any parameters set by a piggy-back AFC

*NmexMAX* · 03-05-2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by !PrjctMax!

not sure if that's sarcasm?...but the stock ECU will "self learn" around any parameters set by a piggy-back AFC

This has yet to be quantitatively proven on the A34, and just is not possible on the A32 or A33/B.

!PrjctMax! · 03-05-2008, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NmexMAX

This has yet to be quantitatively proven on the A34, and just is not possible on the A32 or A33/B.

because that would contradict with post #5

*NmexMAX* · 03-05-2008, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Me

if your car has WBO2's stock, it just might self learn,

Just might = me not having enough proof form anyone else who has the right data to say, DEFINITELY.

Just might = not sure
Just might = not enough quantitative data

I'm sure you're catching my mood.

NiZMo1o1 · 03-10-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sales Dep. Technosquare, Inc.

Well, we don't generally offer flash for AT model customers.
We had few customers who told us they can't feel any difference after
flash.
We dyno-ed the car and we can see the gain, but when you drive it, AT
torque converter sucks some HP under some driving condition.
It is our the best interest to offer the product that satisfies
customer
100%, so AT Maxima flash doesn't meet our product standard.
Although majority of customers who had our flash for AT model was very
happy with it, it is not the way of our business just sell it any way.
That is why we say we don't offer Flash for AT model to public.
If you are willing to try our flash for your car with knowing our
intension, you are more than welcome to send your ECU in or dive your
car to our shop.

Sales
Technosquare, Inc.

So anyone else has a Lspec or Fspc on a 5AT Maxima besides Look at Max and Prjmax

reeloop · 03-10-2008, 06:02 PM

got the same message from them, lol!

*liqidvenom* · 03-12-2008, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by NmexMAX

Just might = me not having enough proof form anyone else who has the right data to say, DEFINITELY.

Just might = not sure
Just might = not enough quantitative data

I'm sure you're catching my mood.

if your car has a WB02 it will self learn up to the abilities of the ecu. if your ecu isnt fast enough processor wise then no, but most newer cars that have WB02 will self learn its settings.

*NmexMAX* · 03-12-2008, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by liqidvenom

if your car has a WB02 it will self learn up to the abilities of the ecu. if your ecu isnt fast enough processor wise then no, but most newer cars that have WB02 will self learn its settings.

Is that a

/verification?

I will continue to speculate until I see before/after dynos W/AFR readout to verify. Not doubting it, just think it's semi cool, and would be cool to see the data.

pimpin02max · 03-27-2008, 10:20 AM

Sooo....does Technosquare still make ECU reflashes for the 5.5gen 6-speeds?

**Puppetmaster** · 03-27-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by pimpin02max

Sooo....does Technosquare still make ECU reflashes for the 5.5gen 6-speeds?

Yes.

Why would you think otherwise?

For future reference: http://www.technosquareinc.com/contact.htm