My experience with IONIC DYNAMICS

[absoundlab]

I bought a 5th gen carbon fiber spoiler from them and the factory 3rd brake light doesn't fit on the cf spoiler at all. and you cant use any of the factory hardware or mounting locations to install the spoiler. The carbon isn't laid on smooth and the clear coat is paper thin.

I've been trying to call him for the past 3 days and he doesnt pick up and I left messages for him.

UPDATE: this company is bs they finally emailed me back. I told them there is no way the factory 3rd brake light is going to fit into their cf spoiler, their exact words, "just shave the brake light and make it fit"

are you freakin serious I just going to do a charge back on my credit card.

this is the first of many pictures to come

[absoundlab]

I moved the post with the pics to the top and got rid of all of the posts asking for pics...(phenryiv1)

Absoundlab's post:

the center post is about inches off of the top of the trunk


ID CF spoiler has 4 tabs for the 3rd brake light


oem 3rd brake light has 3 mounting tabs


how is this supposed to fit? (also note the width of the oem brake light)


the spoiler isn't even thick enough for the light housing to fit inside of


I'll post pictures of the factory mounting location and the ID CF mounts tomorrow

[JSMax]

I picked up a rear window spoiler (non-cf) for my 4th gen back in November. I am undecided if I want to put it on as the fitment is not near what I would expect. The spoiler looks to be about 1/4-1/2 inch too short. Meaning it dosen't fit at all against the window trim. I personally don't think that I will do business with him or his company again.
Sorry to hear about your problems absoundlab. I hate it when shady practices are put into use espically from one of the sponsers.

[secondtonone317]

Originally Posted by absoundlab

this company is bs they finally emailed me back. I told them there is no way the factory 3rd brake light is going to fit into their cf spoiler, their exact words, "just shave the brake light and make it fit"

are you freakin serious I just going to do a charge back on my credit card.

its funny how since that is the only company that makes crap for our cars they want to sell half assed products for top quality prices.......

Originally Posted by D-Bo

Why is there an expectation that aftermarket body parts will have a factory fit? IMO if you order aftermarket body parts you should expect to have to make adjustments (ie shaving etc) to make them fit 100%.

bro its not like he bought some autozone fogs for his car and has to shave this and cut that to make it fit, its a $400 wing that is supposed to be an exact replica of the OEM one, there should be no shaving necessary. Even minimal shaving would be ok. Im sure absoundlab would not be complaning if it was minimal shaving...fact is the light does not fit.

Originally Posted by ROCKART

amomaxima on southfloridamaximas just started a thread the other day about how his ID window spoiler doesnt fit his 5th gen at all...i told him to post up here.

I got mine on the car but up close it is 1/4in - 1/2in short on both sides.....I kinda evened it out and made it work..........oh and that **** is straight as a board not curved to fit at all

From reading these posts and prior posts in other threads, maybe there was a bad batch?

Jose, did you notice complaints only on this specific batch of products?

[absoundlab]

Originally Posted by D-Bo

Why is there an expectation that aftermarket body parts will have a factory fit? IMO if you order aftermarket body parts you should expect to have to make adjustments (ie shaving etc) to make them fit 100%.

It is a oem replica wing. There for is a direct copy of my oem spoiler. I'm not expecting it to be perfect. I was just expecting it to at least line up. There is no way you can get the 3rd brake light to work. On top of that the mounting location are completely different.

Originally Posted by secondtonone317

bro its not like he bought some autozone fogs for his car and has to shave this and cut that to make it fit, its a $400 wing that is supposed to be an exact replica of the OEM one, there should be no shaving necessary. Even minimal shaving would be ok. Im sure absoundlab would not be complaning if it was minimal shaving.........fact is the light does not fit.

Seeing the fact that I spent $400 on a part I would expect it to fit some what but no it's a complete p.o.s If it required minimal work to make it fit I wouldn't even care. But it doesn't work, fit or line up what's so ever. And to top it off they have the worst customer service.

[bigpulve]

Ive heard a lot of negative feedback about ID from other car guys especially the z guys...

[mowgli29]

Originally Posted by absoundlab

understand the bs?

Yes. You say it's not even close to fitting. Like the product just 100% sucks. We'd like to see with our own eyes how bad it really is. Curiosity I guess....

[ionicmax]

Originally Posted by absoundlab

I bought a 5th gen carbon fiber spoiler from them and the factory 3rd brake light doesn't fit on the cf spoiler at all. and you cant use any of the factory hardware or mounting locations to install the spoiler. The carbon spoiler is a complete piece of sh1t. the carbon isn't laid on smooth and the clear coat is paper thin.

I personally made this wing, I wetsanded it and hand polished it. The finish is FLAWLESS, and your remark about the clear coat being paper thin is plain BS, to start off we don't use clear coat, we use an epoxy based clear gel coat, that stuff evens out by it's self and has a uniform thickness.

Now to start out with your other allegations, this wing uses the OEM screws, and the OEM mounting points. One thing that I would love to know is if you actually have an OEM wing, or if it's an aftermarket one. Secondly, it's not that difficult to slightly enlarge a couple of holes to fix anything that might not be perfect. This being an aftermarket part might require minor adjustments, but nothing major like you want everyone to believe.

Originally Posted by absoundlab

I've been trying to call him for the past 3 days and he doesnt pick up and I left messages for him.

I would give you a return phone call if you wouldn't leave those mysterious messages just saying "i need to talk to you about some carbon fiber". Next time take the time to indicate your name, and why you are calling.

Originally Posted by absoundlab

this company finally emailed me back. I told them there is no way the factory 3rd brake light is going to fit into their cf spoiler, their exact words, "just shave the brake light and make it fit" are you freakin serious I just going to do a charge back on my credit card.

My EXACT reply was: yes I have noticed that not all of the OEM 3rd brake lights have the same screw tabs, what you can do is just trim the tabs and install the light using a little double sided tape"

How did that turn into what you just posted? "just shave the brake light and make it fit"

[absoundlab]

Originally Posted by ionicmax

I personally made this wing, I wetsanded it and hand polished it. The finish is FLAWLESS, and your remark about the clear coat being paper thin is wrong. To start off we don't use clear coat, we use an epoxy based clear gel coat, that stuff evens out by it's self and has a uniform thickness.


Now to start out with your other allegations, this wing uses the OEM screws, and the OEM mounting points. One thing that I would love to know is if you actually have an OEM wing, or if it's an aftermarket one. Secondly, it's not that difficult to slightly enlarge a couple of holes to fix anything that might not be perfect. This being an aftermarket part might require minor adjustments, but nothing major like you want everyone to believe.


I would give you a return phone call if you wouldn't leave those mysterious messages just saying "i need to talk to you about some carbon fiber". Next time take the time to indicate your name, and why you are calling.


My EXACT reply was: yes I have noticed that not all of the OEM 3rd brake lights have the same screw tabs, what you can do is just trim the tabs and install the light using a little double sided tape"

How did that turn into what you just posted? "just shave the brake light and make it fit".

THE WING DOES NOT USE THE OEM MOUNTING POINTS! It doesn't need minor adjustments it need major modifications. I do have an oem wing my car is a se it came stock with a wing.

I'm not lying about anything. The gel coat on the spoiler is uneven to start with. There is a hard line seam where the carbon fiber stops.

I called you three times and left three messages for you. I said my name, number and reason for calling. I still haven't received a call back from you. Great customer service you have.

And I can also see that many other people have had problems with you and your customers. So to those of you out there that are thinking about buy products from this company beware.

[Kadantsev]

Holy crap....

In Jose's defence...

Bought the body kit (4th gen, 97-99, FRP), carbon fiber trunk lid, back in 2006 from Jose. Perfect fit. Both quality products.

Now I got a rear window spoiler from him off e-bay. Same unquestionable quality on his side, absolutely no problems from mine. Received it very fast too (I'm up in Canada). The item arrived first out of three orders made off e-bay on the same day.

I truly enjoyed the communication with Jose as well. Answered all five of my long-ass emails with in depth explanations. Very happy with my experience. Will certainly shop from him again.

I am certain that plenty people will agree that Jose provides top notch service. I am sure that if the situation would be dealt with in a calm respecting manner the problem will be resolved soon.

[ionicmax]

Originally Posted by secondtonone317

From reading these posts and prior posts in other threads, maybe there was a bad batch?

Jose, did you notice complaints only on this specific batch of products?

The only other complaint was from that guy that purchased a USED CF wing, his complaint was about the edge where the CF meets the Fiberglass. Who knows how long ago that spoiler was out there, so they are NOT related. The complaints that absoundlab has are totally different and inflammatory. I took note of that previous complaint from that other guy and made sure that this new wing was flawless.

What you have to understand here is that there are people like absoundlab that ENJOY making a big deal out of something MINOR. This is not an OEM part, so why does he complain about it not using the exact OEM mounting points? Is it impossible for him to enlarge, or drill a couple of holes? Is this out of the ordinary with aftermarket parts? It's to be EXPECTED, if you want something exactly like OEM then only buy OEM parts.

Since his complaint is so ridiculous and ill founded he has to resort to untruths about other "problems" that the product has. I can tell you straight out that they are false. I made sure that the seam was perfect, and the finish as well, that's the reason why I'm so adamant about him posting pictures.

Thanks for the interest.

[Kadantsev]

I must admit the CF trunk from ionic did not come pre-drilled with the holes for the taillights.

there's a simple procedure to correct this though.

Step one, you take a drill in your right hand.

Step two, using your left hand you insert a drill bit into the drill held by your right hand.

Need I go on?

Sorry for being sarcastic, but it sounds to me like you just need to drill three holes dude... No need to make a fuss about this...

[Puppetmaster]

I4TGB.

Please keep the discussion civil and directly related to the issue. Take all that other crap to PM.

[maxima619]

WOW!!! I helped Jose to ship this wing and it look flaless! Jose always takes extra care with CARBON FIBER PARTS. About the fitment..... Do you know how to use basic tools? ( drill, drill bits, screw drivers ratchet set ect...) I don't understand why is so dificult to drill/trim 3 holes....... 1.put your spoiler on your trunk 2. line it up, mark your holes with a sharpie 3. remove the spoiler 4.put your safety goggles and gloves on ( safety first) 5. drill/ trim the holes were you mark them 6. put your spoiler back on and finally screw the bolts and you are done!

I would love to see some pics too, like i said I saw this wing in person and it was flawless! I don't why you are making a big deal about it...

[phenryiv1]

Originally Posted by Puppetmaster

I4TGB.

Please keep the discussion civil and directly related to the issue. Take all that other crap to PM.

I am in this thread.

Civility or ban.

[riceyasian86]

lol..everyone here is arguing with an imagination of what the fitment problem is. He hasn't even responded after people started asking for pictures.
You paid for your product and you got it in one piece. Are you unhappy with the product? Then SEND IT BACK and get whatever refund you can get.

Given that it cost $400 that it shouldn't have to have too much modification done but if you're buying an aftermarket part then be prepared to be disappointed and do a little modding.

Nissan spends millions of dollars to make one car without any major problems and to make it work aka OEM. Aftermarket companies spend only a few thousand or less to come up with aftermarket products to make profits until a new car comes out and they move on. They're not going to spend millions of dollars so that an oem REPLICA is perfect and is flawless to the impeccable maximitus.
Post up some pictures so we can all see why this fitment issue is so disheartening to your satisfaction or just stop bad mouthing someone without any proof.

I've ordered from ID and the product I received was exactly what I imagine it would be without any problems.

Seeing that Jose is responding to the posts and is active. It seems he's trying to fix whatever you are having problems with so just get in contact with him off the forums and deal with it there. I think ID is a great company until proven otherwise (pictures).

[phenryiv1]

Originally Posted by phenryiv1

I know that we are looking at a CF wing in the first pic, but what exactly does the photo depict? I am not challenging you, I just want to know what we are seeing.

I thought that your primary complaint was about the fit of the brakelight...

At any rate, after looknig at all of the pictures, your complaint makes more sense. Like I said, I am not calling you out, I just want to hear where you are coming from.

Now that it is out in the open, try communicating with ID again. Let the thread cool off a bit- try direct phone or email.

I see the legitimacy in your position. Let's work to resolve it.

[ionicmax]

One point that I would like to make is, how does that make the spoiler "a complete piece of sh1t" as you originally posted?

I don't care how much money you spent, that does NOT give you the right to lie, insult me or my product.

I have ALWAYS worked with my customers to resolve ANY issue. If you would have taken the time to write a CLEAR email including these pictures that you posted I would have been quick to act to resolve your concern.

Now to address EACH picture depicted, that seam is NORMAL, that is where the CF and Fiberglass is joined, I thought that your complaint regarding the quality was "the carbon isn't laid on smooth and the clear coat is paper thin." You have yet to PROVE that.

Now that picture regarding the middle post, don't you think that the spoiler will flex a little to eliminate that gap? And that is not even close to an inch, not "inches off" if you want to discuss that take a picture with something else as a reference next to the post.

And lastly, the pictures regarding the LED bar, I honestly do not know why your 3rd brake light is different, when we received the spoiler that we used to make the mold the LED bad was exactly the same, why would we change it? Why didn't other buyers report any problems, the only other customer that had a problem with the LED bar ONLY had to cut the tabs, and I told you about this, and you LIED about my reply in this thread alleging that I replied to you "just shave the brake light and make it fit".

I can resolve the LED bar issue and even the center post issue as well, I am willing to work with you, but I want you to publicly clarify your posts regarding the supposed quality and other lies.

I'm being a MAN here by accepting what you proved with your pictures, now you need to step up and make things right on your end.

Thanks.

[phenryiv1]

I am editing the title of the thread to reflect the situation. Any comments can be posted here or via PM. No insulting comments are acceptable.

Originally Posted by choiiiiiiiiiii

i'd be pissed too seeing pictures five and six.....

As was mentioned by ID, apparently there are different tab configurations.

You know what the really easy solution is? Grab a 4-tab brakelight from a junkyard.

Should he have to do that? Not really, but I don't think that ID intentionally made a product that they knew would not fit. An acceptable step for them woudl be to indicate on their product page that their wing is designed for 4-tab brake lights. Customers with a 3-tab should plan to get a 4-tab light from a dealer or junkyard.

At any rate, ID seems to be working with absoundlab. Let's let them try to reach resolution before we get into their business.

Originally Posted by absoundlab

THE WING DOES NOT USE THE OEM MOUNTING POINTS! It doesn't need minor adjustments it need major modifications. I do have an oem wing my car is a se it came stock with a wing.

absoundlab:
Has your car ever been in a wreck? Did you buy it brand new? You have a CF trunk- are you sure that you drilled it properly when you installed your wing on the CF trunk?

Again, not challenging- just trying to get to the bottom of this.

[BenStoked]

Originally Posted by phenryiv1

As was mentioned by ID, apparently there are different tab configurations.

You know what the really easy solution is? Grab a 4-tab brakelight from a junkyard.

http://www.courtesyparts.com/betasit...1996_2011.html
courtestyparts shows one part number for the stop lamp.

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