Autocrossing and Road Course RacingEnjoy and discuss the fun through the twisties at your favorite auto-x event. Check out the links to the SCCA website to locate your local club.
Ok, lots of abbrevs in that. Means SCCA is in process of allowing SFC's into the D Street Prepared autocross catagory and it wouldn't force us into the E Prepared class. No X-bracing though Think of it as a 1.6sec time drop (60sec course)
The following previously-published change proposal has been reviewed and recommended by the SPAC, is being recommended
to the BOD by the SEB, and is published here again for member reference:
Insert new section 15.2.E after 15.2.D and re-label subsequent sections of 15.2 accordingly:
“E Longitudinal (fore-aft) subframe connectors (“SFCs”) are permitted with the following restrictions:
1. They must only connect previously unconnected boxed frame rails on unibody vehicles.
2. Each SFC must attach at no more than three points on the unibody (e.g. front, rear, and one point in between such
as a seat mount brace or rocker box brace).
3. SFCs must be bolted or welded, but welding must be to the OE subframe stampings, not to the floorpan in between.
4. No cutting of OE subframes or floorpan stampings is permitted. Drilling is permitted for mounting bolts only.
5. No cross-car/lateral/triangulated connections directly between the driver’s side and passenger’s side SFCs are permitted.
Connections to OE components such as tunnel braces or closure panels via bolts are allowed and count as the
third point of attachment. No alteration to the OE components is permitted.
6. SFCs may not be used to attach other components (including but not limited to torque arm front mounts or driveshaft
loops) and may serve no other purpose.” http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/Fil...full-final.pdf
Ok, lots of abbrevs in that. Means SCCA is in process of allowing SFC's into the D Street Prepared autocross catagory and it wouldn't force us into the E Prepared class. No X-bracing though Think of it as a 1.6sec time drop (60sec course)
The following previously-published change proposal has been reviewed and recommended by the SPAC, is being recommended
to the BOD by the SEB, and is published here again for member reference:
Insert new section 15.2.E after 15.2.D and re-label subsequent sections of 15.2 accordingly:
“E Longitudinal (fore-aft) subframe connectors (“SFCs”) are permitted with the following restrictions:
1. They must only connect previously unconnected boxed frame rails on unibody vehicles.
2. Each SFC must attach at no more than three points on the unibody (e.g. front, rear, and one point in between such
as a seat mount brace or rocker box brace).
3. SFCs must be bolted or welded, but welding must be to the OE subframe stampings, not to the floorpan in between.
4. No cutting of OE subframes or floorpan stampings is permitted. Drilling is permitted for mounting bolts only.
5. No cross-car/lateral/triangulated connections directly between the driver’s side and passenger’s side SFCs are permitted.
Connections to OE components such as tunnel braces or closure panels via bolts are allowed and count as the
third point of attachment. No alteration to the OE components is permitted.
6. SFCs may not be used to attach other components (including but not limited to torque arm front mounts or driveshaft
loops) and may serve no other purpose.” http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/Fil...full-final.pdf
What if you are a newb, will they still let you run in an amateur class? I want to try "pine cone racing" (what the wife calls it) and I dont want to embarass myself
Ok, lots of abbrevs in that. Means SCCA is in process of allowing SFC's into the D Street Prepared autocross catagory and it wouldn't force us into the E Prepared class. No X-bracing though Think of it as a 1.6sec time drop (60sec course)
The following previously-published change proposal has been reviewed and recommended by the SPAC, is being recommended
to the BOD by the SEB, and is published here again for member reference:
Insert new section 15.2.E after 15.2.D and re-label subsequent sections of 15.2 accordingly:
“E Longitudinal (fore-aft) subframe connectors (“SFCs”) are permitted with the following restrictions:
1. They must only connect previously unconnected boxed frame rails on unibody vehicles.
2. Each SFC must attach at no more than three points on the unibody (e.g. front, rear, and one point in between such
as a seat mount brace or rocker box brace).
3. SFCs must be bolted or welded, but welding must be to the OE subframe stampings, not to the floorpan in between.
4. No cutting of OE subframes or floorpan stampings is permitted. Drilling is permitted for mounting bolts only.
5. No cross-car/lateral/triangulated connections directly between the driver’s side and passenger’s side SFCs are permitted.
Connections to OE components such as tunnel braces or closure panels via bolts are allowed and count as the
third point of attachment. No alteration to the OE components is permitted.
6. SFCs may not be used to attach other components (including but not limited to torque arm front mounts or driveshaft
loops) and may serve no other purpose.” http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/Fil...full-final.pdf
What if you are a newb, will they still let you run in an amateur class? I want to try "pine cone racing" (what the wife calls it) and I dont want to embarass myself
yes, if you're a "Novice" they will always allow you to run in "Novice" class.
You won't embarrass yourself, it's only much later when you've done it a while that you realize you sucked when you started. However, when you see other new guys out there, you won't tell them, if anything you'll encourage them and tell them they did fine.
As a newb, you're going to over drive your car, or underdrive it, you can't understand what I mean until you start doing it. Even on a real track going 100mph+, same thing, motions are different at 100, but thought process is the same.
I can honestly say that only one season did I see a "newb" kid out there that was really, really bad. He was embarrassing for a couple reasons. Although people gave him credit for trying to run his Geo Metro, he never went out and memorized the course. That fact would frustrate the instructors he would ask to ride with him because he would go off course almost every run.
Here is where it would be embarrassing, I remember getting in the order right behind him for a heat, where as the runs (at Ripken) are 45-60seconds, he would go off course, hit cones trying to get back on course and in general screw the course all up, AND he would take 100 seconds to do it. So I would have to wait another 2-5 minutes after he finished to start.
GREAT... too bad I am 5 seconds behind the nationally prepared DSP BMWs in my region. And that is when I am driving at the limit of my car.
Run EP. Win Screw index.
__________________ 2000 Maxima SE (sold but still on the org) - 2009 Subaru WRX - 2008 4Runner SportEdition - 1990 Cherokee Laredo - 1970 Triumph GT6 Mk2
That is with me driving good lines and close to the limit of my car... so basically, I will never catch the bimmer. there is also an e46 323 that is 1-2 seconds ahead of the e30
EP is about 3-4 seconds behind me so it may be possible to take that class on street tires, there is a caged honda crx on RA1s and a gutted datsun 510 with 10" slicks
The courses at FedEX are much more wide open than ripken and the lot is easier on tires. The only problem is there is about a 15 minute window when you can sign up otherwise you are on the waiting list.
I will most likely do the events at ripken as well.
may be until August-Sept timeframe before I run this summer, thanks to the moving and 3 weddings to got to....
in other news, the GT6 was prepared today to be towed up, as soon as I get the new house with garage I'll be taking a buddy's Titan down with a trailer to pull it
If anyone wants a set of sfcs with only 3 mount points Pm me I can make some really easy for the 4th or 5th gen. Josh Your New X bracing should be on its way tomorrow.
This is pretty good news to a sfc builder.
"3. SFCs must be bolted or welded, but welding must be to the OE subframe stampings, not to the floorpan in between."
Do the factory frame rails count as "subframe"?
yes, they do. The reference to floorpan is that there can't be secondary welds reinforcing the floorpan itself (the flat area between the frame rails).
__________________ 2000 Maxima SE (sold but still on the org) - 2009 Subaru WRX - 2008 4Runner SportEdition - 1990 Cherokee Laredo - 1970 Triumph GT6 Mk2
Think of it as a 1.6sec time drop (60sec course)
Screw index.
- 2009 Subaru WRX - 2008 4Runner SportEdition - 1990 Cherokee Laredo - 1970 Triumph GT6 Mk2
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