How To: 350z/G35 Dual Piston Brakes

[aackshun]

This will work easily for 89-08 Maximas. Not sure on any other years, I will find out on other years some other time. This is a work in progress, should be finalized soon. If you have a 89-01 Maxima Please follow these directions first: HOW TO- 5.5 Gen Front Brakes on 4th Gen Then goto step 2. Needed Equipment: -05-06 350z / 05-06 G35 Sedan Dual Piston Brake Caliper, Bracket and Rotor (Rotor NOT needed on a 04-08 Maxima). -02-08? Maxima Caliper Bolts -Brake Fluid. -Aviation Snips (Some type of sheers for cutting metal). I'm not going to hold your hand through this one, just make it to the point where your car is safely on jack stands and you're looking at this.... (02-03 Brakes on a 4th gen 99 Maxima) Step 1: Remove the unnecessary components. (If you're a 89-01 skip to step 2) -Disconnect your brake line -Caliper -Bracket -Rotor (6th genners keep this on!!) Keep track of your two caliper bracket bolts, YOU WILL NEED THIS! You can NOT use the bolts off of the G/Z they are tooooo long. If you're swapping from a stock 4th gen setup, I suggest ordering these from nissan, if you did NOT buy your brakes from me and attempting the swap you can either order them from Nissan or try to beg for your forgiveness for not buying them from me and I can try to dig some up from work. Step 2: Install Dual Piston Glory -There has been confirmed fitment issues, I am working on a easy sure fire way around this. It looks like grinding down the calipers are needed to clear the rotors because of the bracket not moving it out far enough from the center of the hub. I will get around to putting this on a running car to see what is needed to get these on a Maxima, I really think not much is grinding is needed. -Install rotor This is where you need your handy dandy shears for 4th/5th gens... Start snippin away at what comes close to contact with the rotor or control arm (have both wheels in the air and the steering wheel unlocked so you can check the clearance while turning the wheels). I have yet to fully test on a 6th gen spindle and their dust shield, I will on Monday. IIRC 6th gens shouldn't need to modify their dust shield because they accomodate the 12.6" rotors already. -Install bracket You may still need to continue to hack away at your dust shield. During this step it'd be wise to give the disc a good ol whirl around to check for any rubbing. -Install Brake Pads -Install the Dual Piston Caliper -Re-install your brake lines Make sure to check the rotation of the disc again. And you have to use the bolts for the 02-08 Maxima. The 3rd/4th Gen bolts will NOT work and the 350z/G35 bolts will NOT work. After your done it should look like this: Then proceed to step 3. Step 3: Prepare for WAR! -Bleed brakes -Bed in pads (you should be using new pads and rotors ) -Troll Q45/Z32 front brake owners And yes, it is that simple, quite amazing I haven't seen anything like this before on the org, and if it's already been done then WHY HASN'T IT BEEN STICKIED?!?!?!? Quick Facts: -350z/G35 brembo's will go on following the same procedure it takes to install them on non brembo 350z/g35s (Just replace the bracket/caliper/rotor!). If you're a real baller you can get the Akibono (spelling?) Brakes and relocation kit for the 350z and do the same thing..... Remember, this is a game for ballers and only ballers can participate. -I have yet to test this mod on the street! -The dual piston pads use more sweeping area than the 300zx pads. -It BARELY! Clears AE wheels on my 4th gen if you're running the stock wheels I suggest getting a 5mm spacer for safety sake. -Caliper Comparison (4th gen and G35/350z, the 5.5 gen on my car looks just like the 4th gen, who cares) -Rotor Comparison: -4th top, 5.5 Gen middle, G35/350z/6th Gen on the bottom. -4th, 5.5 gen, g35/350z/6th gen. Review of braking to come soon as soon as I get the first street test dummy.

[mightyMax95]

reserved for future post whoring.

[MrEous]

Glad you took pics, Aaron.
I'm installing mine within 2 weeks now.

Btw, the dual piston pads use more sweeping area than the 300zx pads. Just some food for thought.

[Shift_Max]

Finally you let the cat out of the bag.

[Kevlo911]

Good work buddy

def a good new option for people

[ChrisMan287]

Good to know! *plotting*

[SuperSlow_max]

Nice how about the rear brake caliper

[Zack342]

Sweet I have had a set of these in my basement for 3 years, I have been wanting to test on my 5.5 gen !

[MrEous]

Originally Posted by SuperSlow_max

Nice how about the rear brake caliper

Negative...different parking brake system.

[7speed]

Originally Posted by MrEous

Glad you took pics, Aaron.
I'm installing mine within 2 weeks now.

Btw, the dual piston pads use more sweeping area than the 300zx pads. Just some food for thought.

So looking at the G35 yesterday got you even more excited. LOL

Thought we are supposed to bust these cats in 2 wks

[aackshun]

Originally Posted by MrEous

Negative...different parking brake system.

Both are operated by cable, they just work differently though, but same operation.

Just have to figure out a way to mount the cable

[MrEous]

What differences are the mounts for the parking brake cables?

Originally Posted by 7speed

So looking at the G35 yesterday got you even more excited. LOL
Thought we are supposed to bust these cats in 2 wks

I posted that before Sunday, thank you very much!
Oh and sig check foo! Big @ss sig pic.

[bamboomerang]

haha this is actually news from about 6 years ago, the S14 knuckle/spacing is the same as ours (along with the G/Z/spec-V and a slew of other cars)... I too thought I discovered it when I first mocked up my G brembo's on my A32.......nope.

http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/122707...on-brakes.html

[maxima.713]

Ima be doing this for sure!

[ranmas2004]

Hey Aackshun, The brake pad covers the ENTIRE rotor and doesn't hang off the rotor and cause uneven wear like the 300zx conversion with the cobra rotors?

[aackshun]

Originally Posted by ranmas2004

Hey Aackshun, The brake pad covers the ENTIRE rotor and doesn't hang off the rotor and cause uneven wear like the 300zx conversion with the cobra rotors?

Why would it do that since you're using the same rotor the caliper is made for?

I'm not fully versed in teh Q45 or Z32 brake calipers/rotors swap because the age of the technology turned me off.

[phatboislim]

ohhh...this is epic

[ranmas2004]

Originally Posted by aackshun

Why would it do that since you're using the same rotor the caliper is made for?

I'm not fully versed in teh Q45 or Z32 brake calipers/rotors swap because the age of the technology turned me off.

The reason I asked is because people that got the 13" cobra rotors with the brackets for the 300zx calipers had a portion of the pad hanging off the rotor. the entire pad did not cover the rotor and people's brake pads ended up looking like this:



You know I had actually asked someone in the forums if the 350z dual piston calipers would fit our cars and people told me NO.......LIES!!!!!! Talking about the holes on the calipers were different and screws wouldnt fit...bla bla bla. Because this is what I was going to do instead of buying that brake upgrade kit like I did!!!! Might still do this anyway. Let us know how it feels! Brake bias is still the same?

[NmexMAX]

This is cool.

What is this alleged bracket that you speak of?

[aackshun]

Originally Posted by ranmas2004

The reason I asked is because people that got the 13" cobra rotors with the brackets for the 300zx calipers had a portion of the pad hanging off the rotor. the entire pad did not cover the rotor and people's brake pads ended up looking like this:

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You know I had actually asked someone in the forums if the 350z dual piston calipers would fit our cars and people told me NO.......LIES!!!!!! Talking about the holes on the calipers were different and screws wouldnt fit...bla bla bla. Because this is what I was going to do instead of buying that brake upgrade kit like I did!!!! Might still do this anyway. Let us know how it feels! Brake bias is still the same?

Originally Posted by aackshun

Why would it do that since you're using the same rotor the caliper is made for?

I'm not fully versed in teh Q45 or Z32 brake calipers/rotors swap because the age of the technology turned me off.

Keep reading, I said earlier that I haven't driven this setup on the street yet, my red car is still motorless

Originally Posted by NmexMAX

This is cool.

What is this alleged bracket that you speak of?

I didn't speak of any, it's the 350z/G35 bracket.

[MrEous]

I'm waiting for some new pads before setting mine up...give me a week or two.

...and Aaron, you need to get that red beotch moving!

[WesCTR]

i've been considering brake options and i was thinking about trying this instead of z32 brakes the other day. nice work man.

[aackshun]

Soooo anyone wants to buy a pair $130 shipped

[Matt93SE]

What's the availability of good track pad compounds for these heavy iron beasts?

Sure they're bigger than stock and cheaper than the Z conversion, but do they work any better than the current brake kits, are they cheaper to maintain, and how much do they weigh?

and 1mm of pad overhang is no big deal. Lots of wilwood calipers are spec'd for anything from 10 to 13" rotors, and they hang off the ends on larger rotors too.

[MrEous]

IIRC the caliper weighs in at 14lbs...as far as race compounds, just look at my350z for 2006+ non-brembo brake pad options.

(side note - comparing the z32 iron and aluminum calipers...the preference is the iron caliper due to its ability to withstand the flexing that the aluminum calipers face)

Current brake kits?...do you mean work better than an aftermarket setup? I doubt it. Better than OEM setups for Maximas, yes, even better than going 6th gen Maxima caliper.

Also, 03-05 350z non-Brembo guys swear by the upgrade to 06+ dual piston over stock when running at the track.
http://my350z.com/forum/brakes-and-s...ys-lookie.html

Originally Posted by aackshun

Soooo anyone wants to buy a pair $130 shipped

Good price.

[Matt93SE]

Yeah, I was referring to the 6th gen or Z32 calipers on same size rotors.
The advantage to the Z caliper is weight and pad options over the more "grocery getter" pad selection of the 6th gen Maxima.

300ZX current Hawk offerings:
HB178E.564 Disc Brake Pad; Blue 9012 w/0.564 Thickness; Front;
HB178W.564 Disc Brake Pad; DTC-30 w/0.564 Thickness; Front;
HB178G.564 Disc Brake Pad; DTC-60 w/0.564 Thickness; Front;
HB178N.564 Disc Brake Pad; HP Plus w/0.564 Thickness; Front;
HB178F.564 Disc Brake Pad; HPS Performance Street w/0.564 Thickness; Front;
HB178S.564 Disc Brake Pad; HT-10 w/0.564 Thickness; Front;
HB178Z.564 Disc Brake Pad; Performance Ceramic w/0.564 Thickness; Front;


6th gen Maxima offerings:
HB448F.610 Disc Brake Pad; HPS Performance Street w/0.610 Thickness; Front;
HB448Y.610 Disc Brake Pad; LTS w/0.610 Thickness; Front;
HB448Z.610 Disc Brake Pad; Performance Ceramic w/0.610 Thickness; Front;

05-06 350Z offerings:
HB268G.665 Disc Brake Pad; DTC-60 w/0.665 Thickness; Front;
HB268N.665 Disc Brake Pad; HP Plus w/0.665 Thickness; Front;
HB268F.665 Disc Brake Pad; HPS Performance Street w/0.665 Thickness; Front;
HB268Z.665 Disc Brake Pad; Performance Ceramic w/0.665 Thickness; Front;


You the DTC-60 is a heavy duty track pad and HP+ is fine for a beginner. for a Maxima, the HT-10 or DTC-30 would be a pretty good choice unless the car is putting down 300+hp- then you'll need more.

But yeah, there's pads available for the Z32 and Z33 calipers, but not squat for A34 calipers unless you're only buying bigger brakes to get to the grocery store in style.

[McSteve]

so did anyone do this with the Akebono ones yet? that's something i'd like to see.

Since I already have the z32 brakes, my next break upgrade is gonna be cobra two piece rotors.

[aackshun]

Originally Posted by McSteve

so did anyone do this with the Akebono ones yet? that's something i'd like to see.

Since I already have the z32 brakes, my next break upgrade is gonna be cobra two piece rotors.

http://www.infinitig37.com/akebono-big-brake-swap.html

[aackshun]

Originally Posted by MrEous

Akebono is cost prohibitive. For that amount you're almost in the same price range as more popular aftermarket BBK kits.

Really? 4 calipers and rotors for under $1500? Where do you see this?

[aackshun]

Originally Posted by MrEous

2 Akebono fronts...with rotors and pads...for under $1500? Where do you see this? And no, your discount doesn't apply. lol

My point is, getting 2 Akebono fronts/rotors/pads is getting closer to aftermarket BBK pricing (for all 4 corners) and is cost prohibitive when compared to OEM G35 non-brembos with rotors/pads at around $400.

We sell all 4 corners for $1300 shipped dude ...

http://www.fastbrakes.com/product_p/...ima%2013-6.htm

For only the front....

GD: Wilwood rear brake kit by KCmaxx and Fastbrakes

And some rears....

Hrmmm... Which will I go with?

[aackshun]

Originally Posted by MrEous

Wilwood fronts on ebay...$949 for front calipers, pads, rotors, stainless steel lines & relocation brackets. Just an example but I'm sure I could find cheaper.

Akebono fronts only are how much? Rotors are going to be how much? New pads? Stainless steel lines? Relocation brackets?


It's a moot point for me...just saying Akebonos are going to be 3-4 times as much as OEM '06 G35 dual pistons any day.

Ok 950 for two brakes... now find me a rear BBK, you have $600 to spend!!!! Go, go, go, go!!!

Re-read what I said $1300 shipped for all four (and then like what $200 for the brackets? You use your stock lines, sooo SS lines are what $40? Ok $1540, find me a 4 corner BBK, go, go, go!)

Of Fck yeah. Not even gonna argue that!!!

[aackshun]

Originally Posted by MrEous

$1300 shipped for ONLY Akebono calipers (all 4)...correct?

and rotors..... Read what I said mangggggggg

Edit: I didn't state rotors, my b, but I did say corners! so hmph!

[aackshun]

EDIT:

NOT THE POINT OF THIS THREAD!

I'm out.

Just text me or sumfin

[MrEous]

Since you like Fastbrakes.com for pricing reference...

4 piston Wilwood fronts...$825 (includes calipers, rotors, pads, adapters & steel lines)
12" rear upgrade kit...$300.00 (includes 12" rotors and adapter to fit stock caliper so stock parking brake can be used)
New rear pads...~$50

That makes my total $1175 now.

[aackshun]

Originally Posted by MrEous

12" rear upgrade kit...$300.00 (includes 12" rotors and adapter to fit stock caliper so stock parking brake can be used)

Not arguing it any more, you may be right or wrong, not going to use this thread to find it out either way.

But this rear kit... IM INTERESTED!!!!

This is exactly what I've been trying to accomodate w/ the G35 rear brakes.... So....

G35 DP Up Front....
This relocation kit in the rear...

And I've achieved a 05-06 G35 Sedan Braking upgrade on a car that weighs considerably less

Well actually better because our rear calipers have a bigger piston than the 04+ Maxima and G35s/Z's

Call me a happy camper

[MrEous]

Originally Posted by aackshun

Well actually better because our rear calipers have a bigger piston than the 04+ Maxima and G35s/Z's

Good point, I wasn't aware of that.

[aackshun]

False!!! What I said was wrong, so very wrong

The 04 Max has a bigger rear piston than us, and the G's/Z's are bigger than that

Also the Cylinder in the master cylinder is bigger too... But oddly enough on certain models (the heavier ones eg. a AWD G or a Drop Top Z) have the same brake booster we do....

Hrmmm time for a new thread....

[MrEous]

It's still good to me. Larger rotor surface with the rear kit and I keep the parking brake.

Just for reference and you're correct:
*2003 Maxima rear caliper bore = 34mm
*2004 Maxima rear caliper bore = 35mm
*2006 G35 caliper bore = 43mm

BUT...All 3 calipers use the exact same pad size according to HPS website. So same size, just less force. Where are the braking experts with their formulas?

[aackshun]

Originally Posted by MrEous

BUT...All 3 calipers use the exact same pad size according to HPS website. So same size, just less force. Where are the braking experts with their formulas?

I want to start another thread too, some interesting similarities (and differences) between the A32, A33, A34, V35, Z33 when it comes to Brake Boosters and Master Cylinders, I need to keep reading up on some things then I will start another thread.

[MrEous]

^^ Awesome man, def keep us updated.