To sway or not to sway ?
#1
To sway or not to sway ?
I once read in a now invalid thread that... there were some cons to having an anti sway bar? What may be some cons to this modification? I believe it stated things such as oversteer on ramps etc. That it alsmost felt unsafe?
I am planning on fully upgrading my suspension with LTB stage II and SFC.
I am at phase one with FSTB and H&R/T-Illuminas
Phase two would be LTB II and some kind of rear upgrade (swaybar and or RSTB)
Phase three would be the best of all SFC.
Thanks for any ones input.
I am planning on fully upgrading my suspension with LTB stage II and SFC.
I am at phase one with FSTB and H&R/T-Illuminas
Phase two would be LTB II and some kind of rear upgrade (swaybar and or RSTB)
Phase three would be the best of all SFC.
Thanks for any ones input.
#4
no.....
the people who complain of "snap oversteer" concerns are people who don't know how to drive.
Our cars have natural heavy understeer. RSB will reduce the understeer, but will not change the balance to oversteer-happy. You would have to do other things to make that happen...
the people who complain of "snap oversteer" concerns are people who don't know how to drive.
Our cars have natural heavy understeer. RSB will reduce the understeer, but will not change the balance to oversteer-happy. You would have to do other things to make that happen...
#5
One thing I learned this season was if you do start to come around just plant your gas pedal to the floor. It both shifts the weight of the car rearwards and pulls the car the direction the front wheels are pointed. Sunday I ran 62lbs in my rear 225 width tires with full RSB and 550lb rear springs. Here's my first in-car video - not once did it come around (sorry bout the shakey video).
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#6
I've had an RSB for probably about 6 months now. On Progress (probably just a bit stiffer than H&Rs, so your results will be similar) springs I haven't had a single legit problem with the rear end coming around. The two conditions I've ever experienced any oversteer in are:
Extreme throttle roll-off on turn-in, you can feel the back start to come around juuust a bit, but never anything that you have to correct
And HARD slaloming, usually about 40mph.
The main thing I noticed with the RSB was it seemed that the car rotated a bit better and all four tires were gripping instead of just the fronts.
Extreme throttle roll-off on turn-in, you can feel the back start to come around juuust a bit, but never anything that you have to correct
And HARD slaloming, usually about 40mph.
The main thing I noticed with the RSB was it seemed that the car rotated a bit better and all four tires were gripping instead of just the fronts.
#7
Thanks everyone for the explainations and impressions. As long as it dosent change that balance, I will be happy to add it to my set up.
Much Appreciated....and...its now on my list.
Much Appreciated....and...its now on my list.
#10
I once read in a now invalid thread that... there were some cons to having an anti sway bar? What may be some cons to this modification? I believe it stated things such as oversteer on ramps etc. That it alsmost felt unsafe?
I am planning on fully upgrading my suspension with LTB stage II and SFC.
I am at phase one with FSTB and H&R/T-Illuminas
Phase two would be LTB II and some kind of rear upgrade (swaybar and or RSTB)
Phase three would be the best of all SFC.
Thanks for any ones input.
I am planning on fully upgrading my suspension with LTB stage II and SFC.
I am at phase one with FSTB and H&R/T-Illuminas
Phase two would be LTB II and some kind of rear upgrade (swaybar and or RSTB)
Phase three would be the best of all SFC.
Thanks for any ones input.
#11
Calling All Suspension Enthusiasts
IMO a SFC would do everything a suspension enthusiast is looking for !!
It seems really worth it, and from what Ive read the best you can do.
Lets see
Can some people rate thier suspension mods from a scale 1 to 10
If someone has installed the SFC prior to any RSBs please leave FEEDBACK it will be much appreciated.
IMO heres how i rate what I have to give you an idea
FSTB 2 out of 10
Mild Drop with Quality SHocks(check sig) 7 out of 10 (rated together as one mod)
#12
That's like saying exhaust and/or springs. A sway bar is not even remotely comparable to a RSTB in terms of what it does.
Advantages to adding a rear sway bar:
- Your car will feel nimbler and maybe a little more planted on smooth pavement.
- It will be easier to put your power down in a corner.
Disadvantages to adding a rear sway bar:
- The rear end less likely to stay planted over rough pavement.
- The rear end will be more likely to slide out when you hit the limit of your tires' grip.
A RSTB is a chassis stiffening mod. The Maxima's chassis is one of the weakest around, so every bit of stiffening helps.
Advantages to adding a rear sway bar:
- Your car will feel nimbler and maybe a little more planted on smooth pavement.
- It will be easier to put your power down in a corner.
Disadvantages to adding a rear sway bar:
- The rear end less likely to stay planted over rough pavement.
- The rear end will be more likely to slide out when you hit the limit of your tires' grip.
A RSTB is a chassis stiffening mod. The Maxima's chassis is one of the weakest around, so every bit of stiffening helps.
#13
That's not really going to be informative because suspension mods affect each other, and different people have different preferences.
For example, a guy who has stock suspension would rate a RSB higher than SFCs because the RSB makes a bigger difference. A guy who has coilovers might rate SFCs and a RSB the same because the SFCs make more of a difference for him. A guy who has regular lowering springs might hate his RSB but love his SFCs.
It's all about the combo and what you want to do with it.
For example, a guy who has stock suspension would rate a RSB higher than SFCs because the RSB makes a bigger difference. A guy who has coilovers might rate SFCs and a RSB the same because the SFCs make more of a difference for him. A guy who has regular lowering springs might hate his RSB but love his SFCs.
It's all about the combo and what you want to do with it.
#19
^^ This helps me greatly. Well writen and not once did you use the word "PROLLY"..... Thanks for that, and for the advice.
P.S. No more LTB. Matt is out and no more to be made. Why are these not mass produced?
P.S. No more LTB. Matt is out and no more to be made. Why are these not mass produced?
#20
tHANKS DKO.....that is very awsome info there
I now have the LTB Stage II sitting in the bedroom !! I got one of the last few !(for now anyway) and will be installing in the near future.
As for the RSB... I am holding off for now. And Pretty Much foreseeing the SFC for a nice overall ehancement sometime before the next decade.
I now have the LTB Stage II sitting in the bedroom !! I got one of the last few !(for now anyway) and will be installing in the near future.
As for the RSB... I am holding off for now. And Pretty Much foreseeing the SFC for a nice overall ehancement sometime before the next decade.
#22
no, not really. the LTB performace shouldn't be shortchanged, but the suspension as a whole is noticeably firmer with the ES bushings. there are also other reasons to replace the stock ones with ES:
1. your stock ones are almost certainly torn to shreds
2. for the LTB install you will need to retighten plate that holds the LCA bushings in place. if you have stock/OEM bushings you will need to torque them to the factory spec while the car is on the ground. if you use ES bushings you can crank them down as much as you like with the car in the air or on the ground.
1. your stock ones are almost certainly torn to shreds
2. for the LTB install you will need to retighten plate that holds the LCA bushings in place. if you have stock/OEM bushings you will need to torque them to the factory spec while the car is on the ground. if you use ES bushings you can crank them down as much as you like with the car in the air or on the ground.
#23
this is assuming that your front end is as rusty as mine was. if it's in decent shape the install should only take 30mins - 1 hr for a somewhat experienced installer. since you are in the salt belt, though, i would assume it would be as much of a pain as mine was (4hrs for LTB stage 2, ES LCA bushings, ES front swaybar bushings, front swaybar endlinks, ES subframe bushings). unless you have airtools or can rent shoptime
#25
it should only be 1-1.5 hrs of shop time. even a muffler shop can do it... that or consider finding a local .org member near you that does installs. you can prob. get away with getting it done for the price of a case of beer and a few bucks...
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