2010 Max Diesel possible 6mt

[naijai]

This article on the Renalt also contains slight info about upcoming diesel engine for the 7th gen max
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/24/o...upe-in-cannes/

[EnervinE]

For those not wanting to skim the article:

...the diesel engine will be appearing under the hood of cars from Japanese partner Nissan in 2010. The 3.0L diesel V6 was shown last fall at the Frankfurt Motor Show, generates 235hp and 331 lb.-ft. of torque, and is expected to join the Nissan Maxima lineup in a couple of years.

[hot_wax_tree]

Originally Posted by EnervinE

For those not wanting to skim the article:

dude holy crap that thing is guna scoot

[lightonthehill]

331 ft-lb of torque? If the CVT survives that, then we should not hear another word here questioning its ability to handle lots of power.

Just as info (most here already know), the title on the initial post should have read 'Details on '10 Max Diesel.' There will be no diesel option for the 7th gen Maxima until the 2010 model year.

[gopack504]

Hi, I'm new here. I've been checking out new cars online and I saw the new 2009 Maxima. My initial thought was "really nice looking car!" I can't wait to see it at the dealership.

This is a side note: To be honest, I've never been a fan of Nissan cars. I always thought they were plain, but the new Maxima has a bold new look. I started checking out Nissan's because I read Nissan is bringing the Cube to the states, and I want to find an economical family vehicle. While the Cube looks like it will get great gas mileage, it looks a little small and had very little cargo room for family road trips. I read they will be making a few changes to the Cube for the U.S., but unless they make it a little longer for luggage and maybe a tad wider I will keep looking for another family car.

Back to the Maxima, I am looking to get a new car in a year or so and for my car I want it to be good on gas too. I like the fact that they are going to put a diesel in the 2010 Maxima. I hope it will be simalar to the clean diesels that VW has in the Jetta? The diesel Jetta is suppose to get something like 35 mpg. So, hopefully the 2010 diesel Maxima will get around 30 mpg. Diesel cost more than gas, but in the long run I think it's a good approach to getting better mpg. I will wait for the 2010 Maxima to get the diesel.

[wyche89]

only 235 horsepower though? that seems pretty low.. i'm sure it will fly off the line, but how about on the highway? i don't know much about diesel engines, but does 235 hp and 331 lb.-ft. of torque translate into faster than a 6th gen at least? i hope the maxima wouldn't be backsliding on the performance end.. i'm sure it would be making a come-up in gas mileage though

[Kevlo911]

Thats fine, low hp is not a big deal. The diesel accord in Europe gets about 55mpg!!!!!!!!

I can't wait for all these diesels to come out. Rumors are for the Maxima, Camry, and Accord to get them. And then this will hopefully launch a diesel hybrid which should get uber gas mileage

[hot_wax_tree]

Originally Posted by wyche89

only 235 horsepower though? that seems pretty low.. i'm sure it will fly off the line, but how about on the highway? i don't know much about diesel engines, but does 235 hp and 331 lb.-ft. of torque translate into faster than a 6th gen at least? i hope the maxima wouldn't be backsliding on the performance end.. i'm sure it would be making a come-up in gas mileage though

to help you understand, diesel engines are used in semitrucks and trains because of their large amounts of power. yes hp alows you to go faster but I doubt that the diesel is being used to make the maxima faster in any way. if you have ever seen a tractor pull they are pulling a crap ton of weight but going super slow and still get super far with it thats because they have a ton of tq

For ex:
a semi truck will have somthing like 400h-600p but 1400-1900 tq yet they are very slow this is becasue they are diesel it's not an engine for speed.

[lightonthehill]

The diesel Maxima should be comprable in speed to the gasoline Maxima. The reason diesel trucks are 'slow' in accelleration is because they are GEARED to be pulling a hundred thousand pounds from a dead stop. The diesel Maxima, however, will be geared for speed, and, with 331 ft-lbs of torque, should have no trouble accellerating very briskly.

It may be that the gasoline version may have an edge in initial accelleration, but we can't be sure until we see how Nissan gears it. I would bet, however, that if starting out climbing a grade, the diesel will out-accellerate the gasoline version; purely on raw torque.

When Nissan announced 17 months ago that the 2010 Maxima would have a diesel option, they emphasized it would be a new-generation, powerful, quiet, smokeless, low-odor engine they had developed with Renault. Most modern passenger car diesels bear little outward resemblance to those stinky rattlers found in diesel pickups.

[twoconfusedants]

diesel pick ups are not as slow as you are bringing them on to be... turbo lag off a stop is about the only "slow" part there is... and yes, gearing does have a part to play, and im sure does slow them down in that regard, but they are still fast... especially modded.

and they have a lot of room to grow hp/tq wise... ya cant put a chip on a gas and get another 150 hp at the push of a button...

[NYPD-Arnold]

Holy sh*t...if they come through with 331TQ for the US, that'd be amazing. 235HP is more than enough to pull a 3500lb car. I wonder if they'll make a diesel available with a 5AT or 7AT.

Are there any diesel cars out paired to CVTs?

[wyche89]

Originally Posted by hot_wax_tree

to help you understand, diesel engines are used in semitrucks and trains because of their large amounts of power. yes hp alows you to go faster but I doubt that the diesel is being used to make the maxima faster in any way. if you have ever seen a tractor pull they are pulling a crap ton of weight but going super slow and still get super far with it thats because they have a ton of tq

For ex:
a semi truck will have somthing like 400h-600p but 1400-1900 tq yet they are very slow this is becasue they are diesel it's not an engine for speed.

gotya... thanx 4 the info.. but if it has a deisel engine that means it would use deisel fuel right? the higher gas mileage might be negated by the higher price of deisel fuel

[808MAX-SPEC]

Originally Posted by wyche89

gotya... thanx 4 the info.. but if it has a deisel engine that means it would use deisel fuel right? the higher gas mileage might be negated by the higher price of deisel fuel

Yes you would have to use diesel fuel. I think you would have to ask a someone who owns a diesel fueled car (Mercedes for example) about their driving habits and how far they travel between fill ups.

[naijai]

Originally Posted by hot_wax_tree

they are diesel it's not an engine for speed

tell that to Audi & Peugeot

[RacerX1320]

Bring on the diesels i dont mind them at all.

[twoconfusedants]

My dad owns a 86 Benz 300sdl that's a turbo diesel. He gets around 30mpg and about 500 miles per tank. And he only paid $1200 for it...

[wyche89]

yeah, cause i noticed the price of diesel fuel today was $5.00 a gallon.. depending on what kind of gas mileage this new maxima is going to have, it might not save consumers any money

[Blaise]

Originally Posted by Kevlo911

Thats fine, low hp is not a big deal. The diesel accord in Europe gets about 55mpg!!!!!!!!

Careful there buddy... UK Gallons aren't the same as US Gallons...

[gopack504]

Even if the 2010 diesel Maxima got 35-40 mpg that would still be awesome for a full size car.

[wyche89]

Originally Posted by gopack504

Even if the 2010 diesel Maxima got 35-40 mpg that would still be awesome for a full size car.

not if you have to pay close to a dollar more per gallon compared to regular cars

[sparky1562]

I can see it already! Dual variable vane Turbos, a programmer, muffler delete, (Lets hope the find something better than a DPF), doulbe the hp and torque!

2010: Time to open a CVT repair shop!

Diesels historically produce max hp and torque much lower in the RPM range, and red line at 4-5 K. The latest common rail designs and variable vane turbos have taken a lot of the lag out of the picture.

My D-Max will scare you with my PPE programmer on Level 5 (about 225 flywheel hP above stock 310). There are daily driver diesel trucks out there with 800hp and more that get 18-20 mpg. That's in a 7200 lb truck. (google Nastygirl Diesel).

Let's just hope the performance end of smaller lighter, higher rpm diesels in cars are just as easy as a diesel to hop up! They are also more friendly to green house gas emissions if that is important to you.

[lightonthehill]

A few years ago, when Nissan made the decision to have a diesel option with the 2010 Maxima, diesel was probably under $3 a gallon, and somewhat steady.

But, with diesel around $5 a gallon ($10 in Europe), and long-haul truckers everywhere screaming bloody murder, Nissan may well take a close look at the future.

If they do, they will realize that diesel (and gas) will only continue to increase in price as China and India double their petroleum demands every year. I think Nissan both lowers the total number of '09 Maximas it will produce from the planned 60K to 50K (making more Versas, Sentras, hybrid Altimas, etc, instead), and makes fewer Maximas with diesel than planned. They have already announced plans to stop making the Titan.

I see $10 a gallon for both gasoline and diesel here within the next four to five years, and I don't see it ever dropping back in any significant manner. A lot of folks are going to suffer severely until our behind-the-times auto manufacturers really get serious about getting away from petroleum-based fuels.

My wife and I have dreamed for decades of spending our twilight years touring our nation in a powerful and comfortable Maxima, visiting all the places we have read about and dreamed of seeing. But we find oueselves taking shorter and closer trips, trying to help conserve fuel. It may be that we will have to live out our dream at the 'next level.' They do have Maximas on cloud #9, don't they?

[BluFlame]

iirc 2nd gen had diesel option right?

[lightonthehill]

BluFlame - It was gen 1.5 ('83 and '84) that had diesel versions available. My co-worker drove an '83 diesel Maxima for ten years.


edit - I owned two '85 Maximas, and drove one of them 206,000 miles before letting it go, and still see it around town sometimes. Had the diesel been offered on the Maxima in '85, I would have gotten one.

[bigjoe87865]

Man.. for a while iv been wanting the Jetta TDI...2006 + a huge forum for them... lots of aftermarket tuning... chips... etc...50mpg... seems like a great transportation vehicle...