SAFC installation & Dyno Tuning
10-28-2007, 10:48 AM
#1
SAFC installation & Dyno Tuning
Hey guys, I found a local place that is willing to install an Apexi Neo for me and then dyno tune the max. Here are the price quotes I got. Bear in mind it's hard around these parts to find places to do this, could only find 2 even remotely near the Atlanta area. Anyways, wanted your thoughts on if these seem like decent quotes. Doesn't sound too bad to me to be honest.
"I can install and tune the SAFC. The installation labor is approx $200.00. DYno tuning is $175.00 + $50.00 for installing the wideband monitor system (req'd for tuning)."
http://www.engineered.net/
"I can install and tune the SAFC. The installation labor is approx $200.00. DYno tuning is $175.00 + $50.00 for installing the wideband monitor system (req'd for tuning)."
http://www.engineered.net/
10-28-2007, 11:48 AM
#3
Mack make sure you get the harness extension if you dont want your shop to splice into your factory wiring. Also you could save some money on the install if you spliced the wires into the harness extension yourself then had them tune it. There are wiring diagrams on this site to help you. Here is one site that sell the harness extention it's for a 350Z but since our ECU connections are the same it will work.
http://www.autosportwiring.com/nissan.htm
http://www.autosportwiring.com/nissan.htm
10-28-2007, 12:26 PM
#4
Thanks Shawn but damn $300 for the harness extension? I've also searched for wiring diagrams but haven't seen anything really solid. Otherwise I'd consider it myself. Hilbe looks like you got a pretty good deal. Keep the info coming guys, much appreciated!
10-28-2007, 12:35 PM
#5
Yeah I know boomslang has a harness as well $50 cheaper. I am probably going to get one from them and it helps too because they are local.
10-28-2007, 12:37 PM
#6
That's an **** raping. Install yourself and find a shop that only charges 90$/hour(common rate). That's what I did.
FSM = www.vq35de.com/ESM
Also, it's NEO not SAFC.
FSM = www.vq35de.com/ESM
Also, it's NEO not SAFC.
10-28-2007, 12:57 PM
#7
According to this site it's the SAFC Neo. 
http://www.alamomotorsports.com/apexi/safc.html#safcneo
I just dont' think I'll feel comfortable installing this thing. Unless someone could produce some step-by-step directions.
http://www.alamomotorsports.com/apexi/safc.html#safcneo I just dont' think I'll feel comfortable installing this thing. Unless someone could produce some step-by-step directions.
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10-28-2007, 01:01 PM
#9
I thought the Neo didn't get us (non-Honda owners) anything over the SAFCII, so why spend the extra cash on a Neo. You can get one used on the classified section of the forum for dirt cheap...
10-28-2007, 02:10 PM
#11
All the other units are no longer in production. The NEO is it for Apexi. And I've searched everywhere. I don't see step-by-step instructions anywhere.
10-28-2007, 04:32 PM
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10-28-2007, 04:47 PM
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10-28-2007, 04:50 PM
#16
Is the wiring the same from the 06-07? Havent gone through the manual and called boomslang to see if then had a harness and they didnt even know if it was the same wiring. They said send them a diamgram of both and they would make one if needed.
10-28-2007, 04:57 PM
#18
There was some guy on here "briancopeland" was his name and he tried a NEO and couldn't rev past 3K from what I remember. I dont understand it either it could be that since it combines the safc/vafc functions that there is some additiona wires or that who ever tried to hook it up had no clue. Ramberg also posted something about the NEO not working in a 6th gen which is why he ended up with the SAFC 2.
10-28-2007, 05:00 PM
#19
That's just like some of us wanting to use the 350Z UTEC the pinout is the same. I also know that when RHMax was waitting for his ECU to be cracked for the TS flash that he had a G35 ECU in his car. I think it threw a code or something but the car ran. If he sees this he could elaborate.
10-28-2007, 05:09 PM
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That's just like some of us wanting to use the 350Z UTEC the pinout is the same. I also know that when RHMax was waitting for his ECU to be cracked for the TS flash that he had a G35 ECU in his car. I think it threw a code or something but the car ran. If he sees this he could elaborate.
G35 ECU never threw a code in my car, but CC didn't work and shifting lag because different trany. Deus had a 350Z ECU in his car for a while too.
10-28-2007, 05:12 PM
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10-28-2007, 05:26 PM
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10-28-2007, 06:44 PM
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10-28-2007, 07:24 PM
#26
Here is a good link to the 6th FSM. The ECU pinout is located in the icon marked "EC" and it starts on page 107 of the pdf file. Use the second set of links as the first set does not work when you go to download.
http://www.nissanclub.com/forums/200...e-manuals.html
10-28-2007, 07:33 PM
#27
I just bought some data logging software to hook to my laptop. Does anyone have info on short term/ long term fuel values? As in where they are suppose to be etc..When logging so obvious things are maf,ect,timing,rpm,temp,iat. Whats are important things to log? I want to compare my car to my wifes stock.
10-29-2007, 04:05 AM
#30
[QUOTE=Mack;6034577]
Mack come to Brooklyn, NY. If you happen to exchange the NEO for the SAFCII which I know works. I have a friend who will install it for 50 dollars, He has done a few 6th gens here in Brooklyn, NY. I also can get you tuned and dynoed for 150 dollars total. You can use that other money to have a good time. I will be taking the car in to get tuned and dynoed sometime this week.
Mack come to Brooklyn, NY. If you happen to exchange the NEO for the SAFCII which I know works. I have a friend who will install it for 50 dollars, He has done a few 6th gens here in Brooklyn, NY. I also can get you tuned and dynoed for 150 dollars total. You can use that other money to have a good time. I will be taking the car in to get tuned and dynoed sometime this week.
10-29-2007, 07:07 AM
#32
Mack, Call Todd at North Georgia Speed Shop. He does a few of my stuff and he has a dyno there as well. His number is 678-988-8240. It is in Woodstock and right next to my clinic. Tell him Daniel with the maxima reffered you.
10-29-2007, 12:40 PM
#33
Unless you have actually attempted this yourself, I wouldn't go along stating that the NEO absolutely will not work.
SAFCII: 12 tuning points, 2 maps. This is good if you're going to use N2O (1 map for NA, the other for N2O). This piece has the ability to provide global MAF signal correction. This is helpful and makes it very easy when using a larger MAF housing.
VAFCII: 24 tuning points, when set-up this way.
http://forums.maxima.org/oldthread.php?t=461576
http://forums.maxima.org/oldthread.php?t=466165
Only has one map when set-up this way. Does not have global correction ability for our cars which is important when adding a larger MAF housing. Though there maybe an IN/OUT combination that we are not aware of taht would make it easier to use w/ a larger MAF housing, at the moment, it has not been proven to work as easily as the SAFCII. This is not to say it cannot make a larger MAF housing work. It can and will, but requires drastic corrections #'s and a WBO2 is absolutely mandatory when tuning.
NEO: 16 tuning points(As of right now). Though I have not worked with one, from what I've read, it should be just like the SAFCII, but with 16 points vs 12. This also brings up an important question: Can this unit be manipulated like the VAFCII so that the tuning points would be doubled? (32 vs 16.
SAFCII: 12 tuning points, 2 maps. This is good if you're going to use N2O (1 map for NA, the other for N2O). This piece has the ability to provide global MAF signal correction. This is helpful and makes it very easy when using a larger MAF housing.
VAFCII: 24 tuning points, when set-up this way.
http://forums.maxima.org/oldthread.php?t=461576
http://forums.maxima.org/oldthread.php?t=466165
Only has one map when set-up this way. Does not have global correction ability for our cars which is important when adding a larger MAF housing. Though there maybe an IN/OUT combination that we are not aware of taht would make it easier to use w/ a larger MAF housing, at the moment, it has not been proven to work as easily as the SAFCII. This is not to say it cannot make a larger MAF housing work. It can and will, but requires drastic corrections #'s and a WBO2 is absolutely mandatory when tuning.
NEO: 16 tuning points(As of right now). Though I have not worked with one, from what I've read, it should be just like the SAFCII, but with 16 points vs 12. This also brings up an important question: Can this unit be manipulated like the VAFCII so that the tuning points would be doubled? (32 vs 16.
10-29-2007, 01:07 PM
#34
Unless you have actually attempted this yourself, I wouldn't go along stating that the NEO absolutely will not work.
SAFCII: 12 tuning points, 2 maps. This is good if you're going to use N2O (1 map for NA, the other for N2O). This piece has the ability to provide global MAF signal correction. This is helpful and makes it very easy when using a larger MAF housing.
VAFCII: 24 tuning points, when set-up this way.
http://forums.maxima.org/oldthread.php?t=461576
http://forums.maxima.org/oldthread.php?t=466165
Only has one map when set-up this way. Does not have global correction ability for our cars which is important when adding a larger MAF housing. Though there maybe an IN/OUT combination that we are not aware of taht would make it easier to use w/ a larger MAF housing, at the moment, it has not been proven to work as easily as the SAFCII. This is not to say it cannot make a larger MAF housing work. It can and will, but requires drastic corrections #'s and a WBO2 is absolutely mandatory when tuning.
NEO: 16 tuning points(As of right now). Though I have not worked with one, from what I've read, it should be just like the SAFCII, but with 16 points vs 12. This also brings up an important question: Can this unit be manipulated like the VAFCII so that the tuning points would be doubled? (32 vs 16.
SAFCII: 12 tuning points, 2 maps. This is good if you're going to use N2O (1 map for NA, the other for N2O). This piece has the ability to provide global MAF signal correction. This is helpful and makes it very easy when using a larger MAF housing.
VAFCII: 24 tuning points, when set-up this way.
http://forums.maxima.org/oldthread.php?t=461576
http://forums.maxima.org/oldthread.php?t=466165
Only has one map when set-up this way. Does not have global correction ability for our cars which is important when adding a larger MAF housing. Though there maybe an IN/OUT combination that we are not aware of taht would make it easier to use w/ a larger MAF housing, at the moment, it has not been proven to work as easily as the SAFCII. This is not to say it cannot make a larger MAF housing work. It can and will, but requires drastic corrections #'s and a WBO2 is absolutely mandatory when tuning.
NEO: 16 tuning points(As of right now). Though I have not worked with one, from what I've read, it should be just like the SAFCII, but with 16 points vs 12. This also brings up an important question: Can this unit be manipulated like the VAFCII so that the tuning points would be doubled? (32 vs 16.
10-29-2007, 01:09 PM
#35
NMex: Can you add the statistics of the UTEC here too. This is device that I am interested in and Im curious how it compares to these others. Also, Im not sure where the ultimate thread is regarding the MAF mod, but Im very interested in that if you can guide me to it.
10-29-2007, 04:14 PM
#37
I actually don’t have the much experience with the UTEC, and my only point was to clear up some things with respect to the SAFC/VAFC/NEO.
If I were you, I would go to www.my350z.com for more technical information re: UTEC before I went to the Altima board, but that’s just me.
Here’s some good information re: MAF mod:
http://forums.maxima.org/showpost.ph...42&postcount=2
If I were you, I would go to www.my350z.com for more technical information re: UTEC before I went to the Altima board, but that’s just me.
Here’s some good information re: MAF mod:
http://forums.maxima.org/showpost.ph...42&postcount=2
10-29-2007, 04:18 PM
#38
I actually don’t have the much experience with the UTEC, and my only point was to clear up some things with respect to the SAFC/VAFC/NEO.
If I were you, I would go to www.my350z.com for more technical information before I went to the Altima board, but that’s just me.
Here’s some good information re: MAF mod:
http://forums.maxima.org/showpost.ph...42&postcount=2
If I were you, I would go to www.my350z.com for more technical information before I went to the Altima board, but that’s just me.
Here’s some good information re: MAF mod:
http://forums.maxima.org/showpost.ph...42&postcount=2
i been scoping the altima threads.....
we need to check the 350z
10-29-2007, 11:16 PM
#39
Here is a good link to the 6th FSM. The ECU pinout is located in the icon marked "EC" and it starts on page 107 of the pdf file. Use the second set of links as the first set does not work when you go to download.
http://www.nissanclub.com/forums/200...e-manuals.html
http://www.nissanclub.com/forums/200...e-manuals.html
10-30-2007, 06:20 PM
#40
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NMex: Can you add the statistics of the UTEC here too. This is device that I am interested in and Im curious how it compares to these others. Also, Im not sure where the ultimate thread is regarding the MAF mod, but Im very interested in that if you can guide me to it.
The UTEC allows you to maintain OBDII compliancy as well. The UTEC is unnoticeable to the OBD Scan process most states are adopting these days. In basic form we allow control over Fuel and Ignition Timing. Each control gives you 250 rpm resolution from 500 rpm to revlimit with over 10 different load sites. The UTEC will ship with pre-programmed base maps to help get you up and driving right away. In addition to having a pre-programmed base maps the UTEC has provisions for 5 different map locations. The multi-map capability allows you to use our remote map selector to switch between the 5 maps or stock mode on the fly. Your tuning options are endless when you can have a race map and daily driving map at the tip of your fingers. The power is all yours!
Pricing is for standard Naturally aspirated UTEC. For forced induction see additional options.
Shipping date is mid November
Price: $799.00