6th gen BBK or Better Pads and Rotors
03-17-2014, 02:38 PM
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6th gen BBK or Better Pads and Rotors
Hey, I was just curious as to whether or not I should upgrade the front brakes of the car to the 6th gen bigger rotors and pads or to just go with improved pads(hawk, ebc) and rotors for all 4 wheels. I am in dire need of new brakes and was just curious as to which option would be more beneficial to the braking of the car.
Any input would be greatly appreciated
Any input would be greatly appreciated
03-17-2014, 10:14 PM
#2
I would suggest you go ahead and upgrade to 6th Brakes over the counter or if you want alittle something more performance oriented, hopefully you have 17" OEM rims either 00-01 or 02-03 fit, I've done them both:
http://powerstoponly.com/p-1000-powe...rake-kits.aspx
http://powerstoponly.com/p-1000-powe...rake-kits.aspx
03-18-2014, 08:28 AM
#3
I agree. My brakes used get warped waay to often. Now, it ahrdly ever happens, and they last so much longer.
I haven't changed front pads in nearly 90k. Changed the rotors once, although I'm sure I could have just machined them.
I haven't changed front pads in nearly 90k. Changed the rotors once, although I'm sure I could have just machined them.
03-18-2014, 11:13 AM
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One thing to keep in mind if you do the 6th gen bbk and you ever plan to sell the car. You will run into an issue similar to what I just did. Unless you are selling the car to someone that realizes that this is truly a legit upgrade they will freak out at first mention of alterations to the brakes. Images of them careening into a crowd of school children will instantly fill their head. So IF you do anticipate to ever let go of the car make sure you plan for this accordingly. Luckily for me the person that bought my car was a fellow modder that had already test driven other 5th gens with untouched brakes. So they were instantly sold on the BBK's performance. His GF that he was supposed to be sharing the car with... Not so much. 
03-18-2014, 11:50 AM
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One thing to keep in mind if you do the 6th gen bbk and you ever plan to sell the car. You will run into an issue similar to what I just did. Unless you are selling the car to someone that realizes that this is truly a legit upgrade they will freak out at first mention of alterations to the brakes. Images of them careening into a crowd of school children will instantly fill their head. So IF you do anticipate to ever let go of the car make sure you plan for this accordingly. Luckily for me the person that bought my car was a fellow modder that had already test driven other 5th gens with untouched brakes. So they were instantly sold on the BBK's performance. His GF that he was supposed to be sharing the car with... Not so much.
But also it creates complications for people who just want to DD a car and when they change the brakes.....yea, got remember X,Y,Z and do this and this year car and yea see it just gets annoying.
03-19-2014, 07:38 AM
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Well how did you present the car is the question? Because in most cases if its a clean generally stock car people will like the idea that the car you are selling is safer than a stock car. Now if you have a car on obviously lowered suspension, painted brake calipers etc then yea you will get the stigma and somewhat rightfully so.
But also it creates complications for people who just want to DD a car and when they change the brakes.....yea, got remember X,Y,Z and do this and this year car and yea see it just gets annoying.
But also it creates complications for people who just want to DD a car and when they change the brakes.....yea, got remember X,Y,Z and do this and this year car and yea see it just gets annoying.
Car was definitely represented as emphasis on minor improvements over stock. I explained the known issues with the factory brakes and how they were addressed in the 6th gen calipers. Calipers were painted black not racing red.
Also made it clear to him that nearly anything I do to a car is function > form with absolutely no compromise for safety. It was on Tein H Techs with Murano wheels so it was as close to stock as modified could get. He even said that until I pointed it out he thought the car was completely stock. Which was the look I was going for to begin with. I'm over 30 and don't care to get lumped in with the rest of the hoodlums.
So yeah it definitely helps if you're not a teenager with a rattle canned interior to give the right perspective.
Here she is. Still miss her. That is until I get into the 2011 WRX that replaced it.
Sorry OP for going off topic. I say go 6th gen BBK with steel braided lines and Hawk pads. Just be prepared to **** a few people off when they think you are brake checking them on those first few days when you're not used to the new stopping power.
Last edited by 5th gen dd; 03-19-2014 at 07:41 AM.
03-19-2014, 04:37 PM
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+1 BBK - 2 of my 3 Maxi's have them, and they are far superior. Even if you get nice rotors and nice pads in stock size, its not even close to if you do the BBK with cheap stuff. Rotors are HUGE compared to stock and Calipers have much bigger pistons.
I have Power Slot rotors and Hawk HPS pads on one and just mid line rotors and pads on the other and they both stop hella better than any stock setup. Both are running reman Calipers
I have Power Slot rotors and Hawk HPS pads on one and just mid line rotors and pads on the other and they both stop hella better than any stock setup. Both are running reman Calipers
are you talking about?
03-20-2014, 09:02 AM
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03-20-2014, 12:46 PM
#23
The A34 is still stock, if we're talking about it that way. Stock calipers off an A34 and stock rotors too.
Not sure why that's an issue. Technically the G35 is also stock, off a G35, as is the Z32, since they're off a Z32, same can be said for the EVO calipers.
I can see the semi point on the FB kit with 5.5 gen calipers using the 6th gen rotor. More torque, but that's way beyond this thread.
Not sure why that's an issue. Technically the G35 is also stock, off a G35, as is the Z32, since they're off a Z32, same can be said for the EVO calipers.
I can see the semi point on the FB kit with 5.5 gen calipers using the 6th gen rotor. More torque, but that's way beyond this thread.
03-21-2014, 08:13 AM
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Thanks for all the helpful replies and feedback guys. 
Hmm, I will probably go ahead with the 6th gen calipers and rotors based on the positive feedback. Since the front brakes do that much more work than the rears, is it alright if I just went with regular brembo blanks for the rear seeing as they wouldnt generate as much heat as the front. Also I was looking at either ebc redstuff or Hawk hps pads.
Do I have to have the same type of pads front and rear? because the ceramic pads, like the redstuff I read, need heat to have good bite, and the rears probably wouldnt perform to their optimal performance im guesing since they wouldnt generate the amount of heat needed for good performance.
Hmm, I will probably go ahead with the 6th gen calipers and rotors based on the positive feedback. Since the front brakes do that much more work than the rears, is it alright if I just went with regular brembo blanks for the rear seeing as they wouldnt generate as much heat as the front. Also I was looking at either ebc redstuff or Hawk hps pads.
Do I have to have the same type of pads front and rear? because the ceramic pads, like the redstuff I read, need heat to have good bite, and the rears probably wouldnt perform to their optimal performance im guesing since they wouldnt generate the amount of heat needed for good performance.
03-21-2014, 08:25 AM
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The A34 is still stock, if we're talking about it that way. Stock calipers off an A34 and stock rotors too.
Not sure why that's an issue. Technically the G35 is also stock, off a G35, as is the Z32, since they're off a Z32, same can be said for the EVO calipers.
I can see the semi point on the FB kit with 5.5 gen calipers using the 6th gen rotor. More torque, but that's way beyond this thread.
Not sure why that's an issue. Technically the G35 is also stock, off a G35, as is the Z32, since they're off a Z32, same can be said for the EVO calipers.
I can see the semi point on the FB kit with 5.5 gen calipers using the 6th gen rotor. More torque, but that's way beyond this thread.
03-21-2014, 02:01 PM
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I would suggest you go ahead and upgrade to 6th Brakes over the counter or if you want alittle something more performance oriented, hopefully you have 17" OEM rims either 00-01 or 02-03 fit, I've done them both:
http://powerstoponly.com/p-1000-powe...rake-kits.aspx
http://powerstoponly.com/p-1000-powe...rake-kits.aspx
wheels as well.
Last edited by bishop8520; 03-21-2014 at 08:31 PM.
03-21-2014, 03:19 PM
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I would suggest you go ahead and upgrade to 6th Brakes over the counter or if you want alittle something more performance oriented, hopefully you have 17" OEM rims either 00-01 or 02-03 fit, I've done them both:
http://powerstoponly.com/p-1000-powe...rake-kits.aspx
http://powerstoponly.com/p-1000-powe...rake-kits.aspx
Rotors and pads for sure,
Calipers - probably?
What about the hub/other?
Thanks!
03-21-2014, 05:39 PM
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Oh, I don't doubt they aren't out there.... but you have a few issues... not that I am knocking anybody, but if the bracket is out even a slight amount you aren't going to have proper brake contact, and you have to order them in.
I am not sure about how the performance of the Z32 caliper is on the 5th gen, but I can say from having them on a much smaller and lighter car, I doubt there is a huge difference between them and the 6th gen BBK upgrade.
I am not sure about how the performance of the Z32 caliper is on the 5th gen, but I can say from having them on a much smaller and lighter car, I doubt there is a huge difference between them and the 6th gen BBK upgrade.
03-21-2014, 08:48 PM
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Z32 is purely a bling mod these days.
I challenge anyone to a braking contest w/ z32 calipers.
Or, someone send me a Z32 caliper, bracket, rotor set and I will throw it in my braking test.
To the OP....
Your answer was given already, just get a 6th gen brake kit, and just tell the next owner which brake pads and rotors to buy, mention nothing of the upgrade.
I challenge anyone to a braking contest w/ z32 calipers.
Or, someone send me a Z32 caliper, bracket, rotor set and I will throw it in my braking test.
To the OP....
Your answer was given already, just get a 6th gen brake kit, and just tell the next owner which brake pads and rotors to buy, mention nothing of the upgrade.
Last edited by aackshun; 03-21-2014 at 08:51 PM.
03-21-2014, 09:49 PM
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Hawk HPS are great. I had them on my stock brakes and loved them so much I convinced three of my friends to buy them on their cars including, BRZ, acura cl-s, and G20.
Don't tell them anything. That's what we did with my friends slolara.
Wilwood superlite and two piece rotors.
One thing to keep in mind if you do the 6th gen bbk and you ever plan to sell the car. You will run into an issue similar to what I just did. Unless you are selling the car to someone that realizes that this is truly a legit upgrade they will freak out at first mention of alterations to the brakes. Images of them careening into a crowd of school children will instantly fill their head. So IF you do anticipate to ever let go of the car make sure you plan for this accordingly. Luckily for me the person that bought my car was a fellow modder that had already test driven other 5th gens with untouched brakes. So they were instantly sold on the BBK's performance. His GF that he was supposed to be sharing the car with... Not so much.
Wilwood superlite and two piece rotors.
03-22-2014, 08:30 AM
#37
One tip - if you are thinking of painting your calipers this is an excellent time to do it. Some paints suggest you bake them to finalize the finish which can be done since they're off the car. You can even paint the rotor hats if they aren't already.
03-22-2014, 09:20 AM
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The beauty of the 6th gen upgrade is that it is completely bolt on. No f'ng around with adapter plates. Remove the current pads, rotors and calipers and replace with 6th gen pads, rotors and calipers. If you already needed new brakes you are getting an upgraded system for essentially the price of the new/reman'd calipers plus some brake fluid. If you have extra cash buy some SS brake lines and replace those too. For the novices remember you are opening up the brake system so you will need to bleed the brakes after.
One tip - if you are thinking of painting your calipers this is an excellent time to do it. Some paints suggest you bake them to finalize the finish which can be done since they're off the car. You can even paint the rotor hats if they aren't already.
One tip - if you are thinking of painting your calipers this is an excellent time to do it. Some paints suggest you bake them to finalize the finish which can be done since they're off the car. You can even paint the rotor hats if they aren't already.
Thanks for your advice !
03-26-2014, 10:32 AM
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Z32 is purely a bling mod these days.
I challenge anyone to a braking contest w/ z32 calipers.
Or, someone send me a Z32 caliper, bracket, rotor set and I will throw it in my braking test.
To the OP....
Your answer was given already, just get a 6th gen brake kit, and just tell the next owner which brake pads and rotors to buy, mention nothing of the upgrade.
I challenge anyone to a braking contest w/ z32 calipers.
Or, someone send me a Z32 caliper, bracket, rotor set and I will throw it in my braking test.
To the OP....
Your answer was given already, just get a 6th gen brake kit, and just tell the next owner which brake pads and rotors to buy, mention nothing of the upgrade.
Al calipers, outdated design, etc.
03-26-2014, 10:53 AM
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Z32 is purely a bling mod these days.
I challenge anyone to a braking contest w/ z32 calipers.
Or, someone send me a Z32 caliper, bracket, rotor set and I will throw it in my braking test.
To the OP....
Your answer was given already, just get a 6th gen brake kit, and just tell the next owner which brake pads and rotors to buy, mention nothing of the upgrade.
I challenge anyone to a braking contest w/ z32 calipers.
Or, someone send me a Z32 caliper, bracket, rotor set and I will throw it in my braking test.
To the OP....
Your answer was given already, just get a 6th gen brake kit, and just tell the next owner which brake pads and rotors to buy, mention nothing of the upgrade.
The Z32s&cobra rotors do provide an upgrade in stopping power but i would not be surprised actually im quite sure a 6th gen BBK will out perform them. If the Z32s were not fixed caliper brakes we would not even bother with them.
