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Old 06-20-2013, 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 1992maximase30
Does anyone know why the ignition timing resets on the 4th gen. Im thinking about getting this device to use on my i30
The ECU on 4th gens just cannot store the new settings, so they reset each time you shut off the car.
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Great success yes....
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Originally Posted by CauzinDrama
OMG I got my idle back to 650!!!!!!!. This whole time I was turning the ignition off after the final step when your supposed to start it right up.... Holy wtf..... Lol
Did you get it to stick at 650 even after restarting? I have always been able to get it to 650 after doing the sequence. I have let it run for the reco'd 20sec all the way up to 5+ minutes but as soon as I turn the car off and restart it goes back to 850. Did you do anything differently or did yours stick and stay at 650?
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Originally Posted by CauzinDrama


Great success yes....
What is the "load" gauge monitoring?
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The load on the engine. The lower I keep that gauge the better mpg I get
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Load = throttle position + MAF usage. According to Nissan
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Originally Posted by ateick

Did you get it to stick at 650 even after restarting? I have always been able to get it to 650 after doing the sequence. I have let it run for the reco'd 20sec all the way up to 5+ minutes but as soon as I turn the car off and restart it goes back to 850. Did you do anything differently or did yours stick and stay at 650?

The last step of releasing to pedal within 3 seconds of the MIL light going steady is tricky believe it or not.... Make sure that's done right and start the car right up. It stuck for me... I only let it run for 30 seconds at idle the shut it down. And it stuck
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
Load = throttle position + MAF usage. According to Nissan
interesting!

Is there a range spec for it? So if I start monitoring it, is there a range I should be looking for?

Thanks.
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Originally Posted by TallTom
interesting!

Is there a range spec for it? So if I start monitoring it, is there a range I should be looking for?

Thanks.
Nope. It's not like timing or AFR or anything like that, it's just a function of how far the skinny pedal is pushed with respect to the MAF reading.

Us with huge MAF's have LOW LOW loads, just because there's not much registering.
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Old 06-20-2013, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by MrEous
The ECU on 4th gens just cannot store the new settings, so they reset each time you shut off the car.
well shiit...glad I didn't fork over the 7 bucks for this app then
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Although, I remember seeing in the FSM load = current air usage / total air usage. But I can't remember how air usage is derived, maybe it's just from the MAF reading.

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Originally Posted by BronxSleeperMax187
Gopoint app for iphones which is free and A 100 dollar bt1a connecter
The go point doesn't seem to adjust timing. I found OBD fusion that looks really good but I'm unsure how to contact the developer...
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I'm not getting an option for self-test.
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Originally Posted by Amerikaner83
well shiit...glad I didn't fork over the 7 bucks for this app then
You could still adjust as it's running and run like that...not a permanent solution but still
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Originally Posted by barristan
I'm not getting an option for self-test.
When configuring the ELM, what settings did you choose?
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Originally Posted by TallTom
When configuring the ELM, what settings did you choose?
Are you referring to the adapter protocol? I left that on automatic.
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Originally Posted by CauzinDrama


Timing up 2 degrees is making a noticeable difference in my fuel mileage. @ 350 miles I'm usually at 1/4 tank already. Everybody should be doing this as long as you use premium fuel.
How are you getting such good gas mileage? I'm barely getting 280 a tank.
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Originally Posted by CauzinDrama


Timing up 2 degrees is making a noticeable difference in my fuel mileage. @ 350 miles I'm usually at 1/4 tank already. Everybody should be doing this as long as you use premium fuel.

is this highway or city mileage ?
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Yea I'm happy to hit 320!
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Old 06-20-2013, 11:27 AM
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Damn!! This sucks. Is probably not worth it to swap in a 00 ecu also.
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Old 06-20-2013, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by barristan
Are you referring to the adapter protocol? I left that on automatic.
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When connecting select these: Nissan, ECM (gasoline), 10 (should be the only option). Go into OBD Menu and select Self Test. There you will find the relearns and adjustments. I also keep my protocol on Auto and have no issue. Could always send Issac a debug log if you're having issues. Follow the link I previously posted and tell him about your issue.
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Omg that's horrible... Im getting 450 out of a tank! That'. About 29 miles on the highway and 13 back roads/city driving.... As you see cruise control on 65 ish saves ALOT.... I consider my car fuel efficient... Mileage is as good as my mazda 626 was.

Also use Lucas fuel additive, with premium fuel

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You guys actually believe that readout i can make it say i get 700 to a tank just by letting the car idle 2 hours then drive 1 mile
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Originally Posted by barristan
I'm not getting an option for self-test.
Dumb question, but did you buy it or torrent it? If you bought it make sure you are updated. If you dl'd it from "another" source... not sure how you can push through updates.
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I got it. I had to delete and re-install it. Thanks
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Originally Posted by Amerikaner83
well shiit...glad I didn't fork over the 7 bucks for this app then
Might be plowing new ground here! Go ahead
And get it, maybe we would soon see an Americaner "How to Advance Timing On A 4th Gen" thread!?
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Originally Posted by cjandura
You guys actually believe that readout i can make it say i get 700 to a tank just by letting the car idle 2 hours then drive 1 mile
I drive 480 miles a week. Fill up on Sunday then 10 bucks on Friday to get home from work...... Every week from marshfield ma to mashpee ma.... I drive normal and I get fanominal fuel mileage.... Don't hate.

And I'm not trying to start a pissing contest or try and throw this thread more off topic but if you let the car idle for 2 hours then drive it 1 mile then your mpg is going to be absolutely horrible. Cuz then you've only driven 1 mile on all that fuel burnt.

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Originally Posted by CauzinDrama
I drive 480 miles a week. Fill up on Sunday then 10 bucks on Friday to get home from work...... Every week from marshfield ma to mashpee ma.... I drive normal and I get fanominal fuel mileage.... Don't hate.

And I'm not trying to start a pissing contest or try and throw this thread more off topic but if you let the car idle for 2 hours then drive it 1 mile then your mpg is going to be absolutely horrible. Cuz then you've only driven 1 mile on all that fuel burnt.
im assuming you have 5.5 and not 5th gen with 16 gal. tank.
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Originally Posted by ColdRain
im assuming you have 5.5 and not 5th gen with 16 gal. tank.
Sir you are correct.
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How did this thread get so off topic so quickly? Let's talk about my apparent drinking problem while we are at it...

My wife totaled up all the purchases from liqueur stores from the last bank statement and it was somewhere around $380ish. Holy crap! I'm literally pissing money away!
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I don't think your drinking is the problem. It's the wife counting how much you drink that's the issue here. Lol

My drinking issue is that the more I drink.... the clumsier my girl gets ....
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Originally Posted by CauzinDrama
I don't think your drinking is the problem. It's the wife counting how much you drink that's the issue here. Lol

My drinking issue is that the more I drink.... the clumsier my girl gets ....
In the spirit of what this thread has become... maybe for every bottle I drink I should dump one in my tank to see how my mileage improves. 1,000 miles per tank FTMFW!!!! Special thanks to Captain Morgan that is. Captain Crunch is a fake... only three stripes makes his @** a Sergeant!
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Originally Posted by JWatZ
In the spirit of what this thread has become... maybe for every bottle I drink I should dump one in my tank to see how my mileage improves. 1,000 miles per tank FTMFW!!!! Special thanks to Captain Morgan that is. Captain Crunch is a fake... only three stripes makes his @** a Sergeant!
I looked into this, mainly because I am on the clock getting paid by the hour right now and the boss is out...

Neither Captain Crunch nor Captain Morgan have and rank insignia whatsoever. And even if they did...stripes wouldn't come into play for officers only NCO's.
A Captain would have two bars (aka railroad tracks) not a stripe. Unless he's a Navy Captain, in which case he'd have an Eagle and Crest insignia (think Full Bird Colonel, same rank different branch).

Point is, neither is a real Captain. And I'm glad I cleared that up too because the fact they are both fictional characters had no bearing on their ability to Captain anything.
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Originally Posted by rebelhell

I looked into this, mainly because I am on the clock getting paid by the hour right now and the boss is out...

Neither Captain Crunch nor Captain Morgan have and rank insignia whatsoever. And even if they did...stripes wouldn't come into play for officers only NCO's.
A Captain would have two bars (aka railroad tracks) not a stripe. Unless he's a Navy Captain, in which case he'd have an Eagle and Crest insignia (think Full Bird Colonel, same rank different branch).

Point is, neither is a real Captain. And I'm glad I cleared that up too because the fact they are both fictional characters had no bearing on their ability to Captain anything.
Eye Eye Captain! Now pass the bottle
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So I got my OBD2 Dongle today. Took it out and got it all synced up.

I have a ghost P1800 code. It won't clear. I do have the VIAS BOP, but I have the solenoid still attached to the manifold, plugged in, with the vacuum ports capped off.

It appears to let me advance the timing +2 degrees. But both Car Gauge Pro and Torque register the timing at 10-13 at idle. Tapping the throttle makes it sporadically jump well into the 30's.

This doesn't seem like normal behavior. Is the pedal dance/ idle relearn procedure necessary for this to work?

I'm confused...
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So I got my OBD2 Dongle today. Took it out and got it all synced up.

I have a ghost P1800 code. It won't clear. I do have the VIAS BOP, but I have the solenoid still attached to the manifold, plugged in, with the vacuum ports capped off.

It appears to let me advance the timing +2 degrees. But both Car Gauge Pro and Torque register the timing at 10-13 at idle. Tapping the throttle makes it sporadically jump well into the 30's.

This doesn't seem like normal behavior. Is the pedal dance/ idle relearn procedure necessary for this to work?

I'm confused...
you and I both. Did you check the timing before the advance? Did you perform the ecu, throttle position, and idle relearns after the bop install? Do all of them and report back.

And a n other news... Captain Cru ch is the shizzzz especially the peanut butter. Incase anyone was wondering, Firefly festival is I full swing. I'll be sober on Monday.
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Okay. Did the pedal dance with success.

If I pull up the Ignition timing gauge without touching the self-test procedure, it will show anywhere from 10-13* btdc. If I select 0* on the ignition timing advancement feature, the gauge will show 15* btdc. If I select +2, the gauge reflects that and shows 17* btdc. You can hear the engine change/ rpm fluctuation when I do this.

When I try to 'save', or exit the app/ turn the car off/ unplug the dongle you can hear the timing drop back down.

Kind of frustrating that it won't stick.

Edit: Would a bad MAF or VIAS solenoid cause retarded timing by default? Or a bad knock sensor that shows no codes?

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I had that ghost code too. I'm not sure what too care of it but I replaced both the rear cam sensor and MAF and it went away. So it's going to be one of those I bet.

Topic related :
I bought a new dongle on eBay because I was having some time out for no response issues with the app. I now have no connection issue and the data transfer is so much quicker. I had an old big black and orange ver 1.4b elm327. This is what I replaced it with :
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewi...d=400469896519
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hmm, so the idle relearn on this app doesn't work? I have tried to reduce my rpm, because of the advance i idle at 800rpm. I tried to bring it down, but 0.0 is the lowest setting. We have to pedal dance?
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It hasn't been successful with me. The pedal dance is the only way I've been successful as far as relearn go.
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