My newest protoype
01-13-2012, 04:29 AM
#443
My Apologies guys, but after seeing pictures, it looks like i ****ed this up. The only thing i can think of to do right now is I have been getting inquiries to sell more of these. So if it is ok with those that have bought them, I suggest that you sell the pair of pucks that wont fit on the drivers side, and i will go back to the drawing board and redesign that side. If you guys sell the pair for 65 shipped, you will break even and then we'll work something out for the drivers side when i get some time.
I'm not sure what went wrong, but if you guys can wait for a while I will correct this. From the looks of the pictures i have seen, it looks like both the 6mt and the auto need some tabs ground off the chassis bracket, and I have to make the pucks a little thinner. The 6mt tabs are hidden and pretty well impossible to see until the rubber mount is removed.
So for now, guys, if you want to purchase a set of my mounts, please contact the guys who have bought them, (see the list) and arrange for payment. When I get some time I will redesign the drivers side and make sure they fit on my car before putting them "on the market"
On a side note for Bob, I don't use metric most of the time when I machine. If i get a metric drawing i convert it to imperial. But for stating sizes and such in here it was easier to say 86 mm rather than 3.385" as it isn't a fraction
Even when i made the prototype, i new the size in metric, then converted to imperial, then added the percentage to compensate for shrinkage, then rounded up to a nice even number. LOL then I machined it to the imperial size.
The new prototype might just be as simple as making the flange a lot more narrow, or I will change the angle of the taper, and the thickness. But I need to remove a chassis bracket and measure it up with a vernier off the car.
I'm not sure what went wrong, but if you guys can wait for a while I will correct this. From the looks of the pictures i have seen, it looks like both the 6mt and the auto need some tabs ground off the chassis bracket, and I have to make the pucks a little thinner. The 6mt tabs are hidden and pretty well impossible to see until the rubber mount is removed.
So for now, guys, if you want to purchase a set of my mounts, please contact the guys who have bought them, (see the list) and arrange for payment. When I get some time I will redesign the drivers side and make sure they fit on my car before putting them "on the market"
On a side note for Bob, I don't use metric most of the time when I machine. If i get a metric drawing i convert it to imperial. But for stating sizes and such in here it was easier to say 86 mm rather than 3.385" as it isn't a fraction
Even when i made the prototype, i new the size in metric, then converted to imperial, then added the percentage to compensate for shrinkage, then rounded up to a nice even number. LOL then I machined it to the imperial size. The new prototype might just be as simple as making the flange a lot more narrow, or I will change the angle of the taper, and the thickness. But I need to remove a chassis bracket and measure it up with a vernier off the car.
Anyway, enjoy your vacation. I'll compile my stuff and PM you the results. I think if we all work together there's a good future solution in store.
01-13-2012, 08:17 AM
#444
I MADE my 6spd mount fit as i wanted to drive home haha. I'll post pics up later. The tabs on the inside of the housing can't be seen until you get the old mounts out, which is unfortunate.
01-13-2012, 09:16 AM
#447
That's what I was thinking luvlexus but I think it would be a little more involved then that to get an accurate fit. Instead of risking destroying the insert I rather just cut the tabs and bend the brackets to make it fit.
01-13-2012, 09:41 AM
#448
Knight made a great prototype! As Pezz said, new products have developmental stages. That being said, the passenger mount is complete and I couldn't be any happier about being in the first group of Maxima owners to have this great product.
Thanks, Ray! I can't wait for the 6spd redesign.Preliminary Review: The passenger mount made everything much, much more solid. I definitely needed a new mount. So anything probably would have been better, but this mount should last the lifetime of the car. I have ES torque mounts, and the NVH did increase a bit after installing the Wrayth inserts. I'm sure they settle in after a couple hundred miles, but it's not a deal-breaker for a DD even if it doesn't. Too many checks in the plus column. I'll update with a better review after racking up some more miles.
01-13-2012, 09:52 AM
#449
I've seen the modification Chris made on his AT, but I would like to hear a play-by-play from someone that modifies the 6spd. Simple overview. The bracket: |_| The bracket after proposed bending: \_/ The mount: |__| The amount of bending necessary: _____ Good luck. Tell your wife you'll be late for dinner. 
I'll be jealous if the 5spd's have it easier.
01-13-2012, 02:18 PM
#450
I will say, I did not bend the frame bracket "that" much. I measured it today and I got right at about 87mm. Now, that is after I removed my Wrayth tranny mount...I'm sure the bolt through the mount pulled it back together after I initially got it aligned and installed. I did get a rough estimate closer to where the bracket is attached to the frame on the driver's side. It seems I was right in that the bracket gets slimmer the closer to the body. I roughly measured the distance between the two sides of the bracket to be 83mm. Just enough difference to have made my life miserable that day!
After installing a new stock transmission mount today, the vibration and in cabin noise was cut in half. I no longer find myself feeling the need to put the car in neutral when stopped. But, if I do, the noise and vibration are almost non-existant.
My $.02 in regards to a modification. I think there has to be some care given if you don't leave some of the rubber insert touching the frame bracket....I have significant concerns it would most likely try to seperate. That was part of the beauty with the Wrayth two peice inserts, they were easy to install and held in place by the pin through them as well as secured in place by the brackets it sat between after isntallation.
However, I do think if you simply trim down one side, giving it a sharper angle, yet leaving the insert to surround the pin all the way out to the bracket, then the insert should remain in place, but still fit properly between the frame bracket. Either way, I'll let the expert work on this....as I make no claims of being one.
My tranny Wrayth mount has been listed in the 4 sale forum if anyone is interested. Honestly, not had much interest....hope everyone else has better luck!
Last edited by Chris Gregg; 01-13-2012 at 02:20 PM.
01-13-2012, 05:22 PM
#451
I sent my measurments, and revision ideas. With a 'quick and dirty' sketch of a universal puck design that could work for all mounts. I even took into account the tabs on the trans side. I sent it to your E-Mail address given for the payment. Hope that's OK.
01-13-2012, 05:29 PM
#452
I haven't received anything yet.
BTY I pm'd all the guys who were interested in the second batch. Hopefully some of you will get some pm's with interest in buying.
BTY I pm'd all the guys who were interested in the second batch. Hopefully some of you will get some pm's with interest in buying.
Last edited by knight_yyz; 01-13-2012 at 05:32 PM.
01-13-2012, 05:58 PM
#453
I was outside doing some measuring/comparison on my 01 AT mount. It's not a straightforward design by any stretch, pretty weird IMO. No wonder you had such a tough time. After seeing what I saw I wouldn't even attempt it!
I would think RBFH & RBFCB! would be a more appropriate description of the 'fine adjustment tools' necessary.
The problems I noticed is that not only is the space between the ears of the body mount narrower, the bolt must go through at an angle and the location of the mount is asymmetrical. 'Knight' had no way of knowing that beforehand.
I sent 'Knight' my measurements with an idea I came up with that could work with all the different mounts. It's a lot like you suggested except for thinning down all the pucks, more angle and using smaller spacers on the sleeve. 2 on the engine side 1 on the trans side to make up the differences and conform to the mounts without having to remove the ears. That way it'd only take 3 different parts, pucks, sleeves, and spacers. Fitment should be easier, it may be a bit less rigid, but that might not be such a bad thing from a vibration standpoint.
My $.02 in regards to a modification. I think there has to be some care given if you don't leave some of the rubber insert touching the frame bracket....I have significant concerns it would most likely try to seperate. That was part of the beauty with the Wrayth two peice inserts, they were easy to install and held in place by the pin through them as well as secured in place by the brackets it sat between after isntallation.
However, I do think if you simply trim down one side, giving it a sharper angle, yet leaving the insert to surround the pin all the way out to the bracket, then the insert should remain in place, but still fit properly between the frame bracket. Either way, I'll let the expert work on this....as I make no claims of being one.
01-13-2012, 10:13 PM
#454
correct mebif im wrong. Witg it narrowung to 83mm coyld u not grind the frame bracket open 4mm or so to make it eastier for install and bypass the nhv? Im sourcing a tranny mount tommorrow if im lucky. Thw passnefer has been stripped and piwdercoated alelready.
So again. 4 inch grinder to open the bracket 4mm instead of bending?
So again. 4 inch grinder to open the bracket 4mm instead of bending?
01-14-2012, 08:57 AM
#455
That was my rough measurement. If you take metal off, you compromise that bracket. My bending it allowed me to squeeze the Wrayth inserts in, but it was VERY tight...as you may have read. I do NOT recommend similar installation. I did all that ONLY because I had no other mount to install after having my stock one pressed out. As this is my daily driver, not getting it to fit was never an option! So, I negotiated with extreme prejudice! LOL!
Ultimately, the changes need to occur with the Wrayth mounts themselves for those who want/need them for the driver's side.
Ultimately, the changes need to occur with the Wrayth mounts themselves for those who want/need them for the driver's side.
01-14-2012, 09:23 AM
#456
That was my rough measurement. If you take metal off, you compromise that bracket. My bending it allowed me to squeeze the Wrayth inserts in, but it was VERY tight...as you may have read. I do NOT recommend similar installation. I did all that ONLY because I had no other mount to install after having my stock one pressed out. As this is my daily driver, not getting it to fit was never an option! So, I negotiated with extreme prejudice! LOL!
Ultimately, the changes need to occur with the Wrayth mounts themselves for those who want/need them for the driver's side.
Ultimately, the changes need to occur with the Wrayth mounts themselves for those who want/need them for the driver's side.
There isn't enough metal on the brackets to just start removing material without professional discretion.
Stress risers from asymmetrical material, geometric irregularities, and heat treat are a huge risk I would stay away from on any type of mount that holds a load. Best bet would be to be patient and allow Knight to design a new prototype. That's easier said than done. Especially, when you experience such great results from the passenger Wrayth inserts.
01-14-2012, 10:32 AM
#457
This.
There isn't enough metal on the brackets to just start removing material without professional discretion. Stress risers from asymmetrical material, geometric irregularities, and heat treat are a huge risk I would stay away from on any type of mount that holds a load. Best bet would be to be patient and allow Knight to design a new prototype. That's easier said than done. Especially, when you experience such great results from the passenger Wrayth inserts.
There isn't enough metal on the brackets to just start removing material without professional discretion.
Stress risers from asymmetrical material, geometric irregularities, and heat treat are a huge risk I would stay away from on any type of mount that holds a load. Best bet would be to be patient and allow Knight to design a new prototype. That's easier said than done. Especially, when you experience such great results from the passenger Wrayth inserts.
01-16-2012, 06:06 AM
#459
However, send me 70 bucks for the inserts and 100 for a new trans mount to have on hand, and I'll take a hacksaw to mine and let you know how it turns out.
01-29-2012, 07:37 AM
#461
Well I just got back from an amazing trip to mexico. I am still in a lot of pain in the neck are so i will have to see some doctors about that. I was hoping I would be pain free by now. I have lot's of ideas on how to make the drivers side mount, i just need to get under a few hoods and get some exact measurements.
02-20-2012, 04:43 AM
#463
Install of the Wrayth inserts coupled with the ES torque mounts has exaggerated the movement on the only old, stock bushing left. Do you have a time frame on that 'ASAP'? It sure would be nice to buy it before too many more autox events.
02-20-2012, 07:29 AM
#465
02-20-2012, 08:39 AM
#466
I can supply you with a two piece solid urethane mount for the passenger side. 65 shipped. Press out your old mount and mine will fit fine. I have to work on driver's side.
03-19-2012, 12:26 PM
#467
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Hope the guys who have them already are enjoying them.
03-19-2012, 02:12 PM
#469
I have a few passenger sides ready to go.
FYI, I found a 6spd mount, and now I am waiting for a new trans bracket which I ordered at the stealership. When it gets here i will redesign the mount to fit, then I will test fit on a friends 4at. I will modify it so that it will fit both cars.
FYI, I found a 6spd mount, and now I am waiting for a new trans bracket which I ordered at the stealership. When it gets here i will redesign the mount to fit, then I will test fit on a friends 4at. I will modify it so that it will fit both cars.
03-19-2012, 03:14 PM
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Just a heads up, but the bolt pattern on the two transmissions are different. Youd have to modify the bottom part of the mount where it mates up to the transmission. You probably already know this but I thought Id let you know.
03-20-2012, 02:46 PM
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04-12-2012, 04:17 AM
#476
I've got one for sale here; http://forums.maxima.org/8377021-post1.html PM if interested.
04-12-2012, 06:18 AM
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04-12-2012, 02:37 PM
#480
The motor mount on the left is my original design for the passenger side mount. The Drivers side mount is actually 6mm smaller in width than the passenger mount. I'm not sure how i missed that when i measured my original drivers mount. Anyway, you can see that I have had to change the angle so that the "point" of the cone will fit into the tabs on the bracket side of the mount. And i also made the cone 3 mm shorter so that when you put 2 together you end up with 6mm less. I will make a plastic prototype next and see that the bracket and the mount can fit together. Then i will have to try it on an auto.