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10-01-2012, 12:04 PM
#282
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In friday we got a rain in the city. I was in the mall and equipped with my camera, the top floor of the parking lot was almost empty and everything was in place for a little photoshot of Luna. And yes, she was a little dirty.
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10-18-2012, 09:59 AM
#297
I'm not sure how exactly you think Radiant coolers work, but I can assure you that without a bumper on there that thing is working MUCH better than it would WITH a bumper on there.
Maybe you're just over-thinking the heck out of the concept, I don't know, not that there's anything wrong with digging into these things, but somewhere along your digging you've misconstrued a few things I think. IJS.
SO SICK!!!
10-23-2012, 02:37 PM
#299
A set-up like this:
is just retarded and restricts airflow through the intercooler and radiator causing numerous issues.
Last edited by ShocknAwe; 10-23-2012 at 02:54 PM.
10-23-2012, 04:31 PM
#300
This is just not true I can assure you 100%. The best design for an intercooler is to have a duct directing air into it, leaving the air no path to flow but through the intercooler. The same reason manufacturers have plastic plates on the sides of radiators so air can only go through it and not around it. Having no bumper on the front makes the air flow unpredictable and instead of flowing straight through as intended, the air hits the front and goes in all directions and circulates actually blocking air from entering. Obviously, in his set-up it is still getting some air but it is far from efficient at grabbing all of the air it can. The intercooler would operate much more efficiently with a bumper. Put that car in a wind tunnel and I guarantee you a ton of air that could be used to cool the charged air is just circulating around because of the terrible aerodynamics of it and actually blocking air from entering it because it is so disturbed. Looks cool yes, functions well no. Probably operating at 65% efficiency at best. That is why some people mount them in a V fashion for better air flow. A set-up like this ensures proper air flow:
A set-up like this:
is just retarded and restricts airflow through the intercooler and radiator causing numerous issues.
A set-up like this:
is just retarded and restricts airflow through the intercooler and radiator causing numerous issues.
10-23-2012, 04:56 PM
#301
10-23-2012, 05:07 PM
#303
This is just not true I can assure you 100%. The best design for an intercooler is to have a duct directing air into it, leaving the air no path to flow but through the intercooler. The same reason manufacturers have plastic plates on the sides of radiators so air can only go through it and not around it. Having no bumper on the front makes the air flow unpredictable and instead of flowing straight through as intended, the air hits the front and goes in all directions and circulates actually blocking air from entering. Obviously, in his set-up it is still getting some air but it is far from efficient at grabbing all of the air it can. The intercooler would operate much more efficiently with a bumper. Put that car in a wind tunnel and I guarantee you a ton of air that could be used to cool the charged air is just circulating around because of the terrible aerodynamics of it and actually blocking air from entering it because it is so disturbed. Looks cool yes, functions well no. Probably operating at 65% efficiency at best. That is why some people mount them in a V fashion for better air flow. A set-up like this ensures proper air flow:
A set-up like this:
is just retarded and restricts airflow through the intercooler and radiator causing numerous issues.
A set-up like this:
is just retarded and restricts airflow through the intercooler and radiator causing numerous issues.
10-23-2012, 05:09 PM
#304
10-23-2012, 05:18 PM
#305
stock bumpers are good for routing air to the radiator and if you stick a fatty IC in front then no it is not ideal. The 4th gen bumper is better for it than the 5th gen bumper as it has 2 ports for air flow. Anything is better than nothing at all where air just circulates around and is not directed at the IC. Modding the bumper would be better than leaving it off. That picture I posted gets little airflow to the radiator and even less to the condenser.
This:
was made for the 5th gen by a company I cannot think of right now and its size is MUCH better. Bigger is not always better for an IC and I dont know why it has moved in that direction
This:
was made for the 5th gen by a company I cannot think of right now and its size is MUCH better. Bigger is not always better for an IC and I dont know why it has moved in that direction
10-23-2012, 05:24 PM
#306
SnA, I Understand your thinking, but you're really off base here dude. There's a guy on the local forums here that we call "wiki-will", that's because he will post anything he researches on the internet as factual evidence, with no ACTUAL experience or in-class PROPER training or education. Without reading books, without ever actually experimenting himself on a car, etc
The internet is wicked, you can learn a TON, but you WILL also learn things that are false, but seem plausible along with it. Trust me I've been caught there a million times, convinced something was true only to eventually have the real truth beaten into my head by dudes who ACTUALLY have went to school for this stuff and learnt PROPERLY.
I continue to have those issues, because, it seems similar to yourself, I do the bulk of my research/learning via the internet.
The internet is wicked, you can learn a TON, but you WILL also learn things that are false, but seem plausible along with it. Trust me I've been caught there a million times, convinced something was true only to eventually have the real truth beaten into my head by dudes who ACTUALLY have went to school for this stuff and learnt PROPERLY.
I continue to have those issues, because, it seems similar to yourself, I do the bulk of my research/learning via the internet.
10-23-2012, 05:30 PM
#307
Onto the actual topic:
This.
You're correct, the BEST setup has NOTHING covering the Intercooler fins or tubes, and on the sides it has air directors to channel air toward the fins/tubes and not around them. this promotes MORE air then there would be with nothing at the sides, like pictured with no bumper on.
BUT the stock bumper (most bumpers, period) cover the bulk, or at least some portion of the Intercooler. Not only that but they ALSO DON"T HAVE FANCY DIRECTORS on them, which makes the whole premise of your 'idea' a waste.
THINK about it bro!
A) Intercooler with no bumper, the intercooler has 100% of it's Fins/tubes exposed to oncoming air.
B) Intercooler with bumper and no Directors, bumper blocks (very generous number coming) 60% of the fins/tubes on the intercooler, air STILL flows to the side and around the intercooler.
Not rocket science, though it seems you want it to be
There is no magical sideways air 'sweeping' the air away from the intercooler because there's no bumper on the car, there's no wizardous air flow direction in a stock bumper (maybe on supercars), there is no tooth fairy.
I'm not an engineering major but that doesn't make sense to me. The factory bumperwould cover a lot more of the intercooler than how it is right now. I can see it may not be the most aerodynamic design but I believe it's more functional now than with factory bumper. Now if it were some sort of turbo crazy funnel air into intercooler design...I would be more likely to believe this.
You're correct, the BEST setup has NOTHING covering the Intercooler fins or tubes, and on the sides it has air directors to channel air toward the fins/tubes and not around them. this promotes MORE air then there would be with nothing at the sides, like pictured with no bumper on.
BUT the stock bumper (most bumpers, period) cover the bulk, or at least some portion of the Intercooler. Not only that but they ALSO DON"T HAVE FANCY DIRECTORS on them, which makes the whole premise of your 'idea' a waste.
THINK about it bro!
A) Intercooler with no bumper, the intercooler has 100% of it's Fins/tubes exposed to oncoming air.
B) Intercooler with bumper and no Directors, bumper blocks (very generous number coming) 60% of the fins/tubes on the intercooler, air STILL flows to the side and around the intercooler.
Not rocket science, though it seems you want it to be
There is no magical sideways air 'sweeping' the air away from the intercooler because there's no bumper on the car, there's no wizardous air flow direction in a stock bumper (maybe on supercars), there is no tooth fairy.
10-23-2012, 05:34 PM
#308
I am not regurgitating stuff I have read on the internet lol I assure you. I am getting my facts from guys who work at Lethal Injection and from basic physics. Trust me, it is correct. Having an IC that big combined with the fact he has no means of getting the air to the IC in a smooth fashion just makes it a far from ideal set-up. That IC is NOT meant for that car and air is not making it to the IC like it should be. Like you said, it is NOT rocket science, It is simple air flow. Just because something is out front doesnt mean it get good airflow. Thats just assuming because it makes logical sense it is true. WIth that set-up air flow swirls around and doesnt go through it, it goes around it
Last edited by ShocknAwe; 10-23-2012 at 05:36 PM.
10-23-2012, 05:47 PM
#312
I was talking about a bumper in general thats purpose is to direct airflow and ensure it doesn't get too turbulent. It doesnt matter. The bigger problem is his choice of IC anyways. He should have bought the one I pictured. Anyways, a discussion is always a good thing.
10-23-2012, 05:49 PM
#313
You're correct that air IDEALLY should flow THROUGH the Intercooler to get the most efficancy out of it, but the stock Bumper negates such flow just like no bumper does, PLUS it blocks the majority of the potential airflow even going NEAR the intercooler.
Air doesn't HAVE to pass through the intercooler for it to function, the fins pick up the air and the fins cool the tubes, the tubes contain the air. As much air as you can get to contact as much of the fins = win. If you can get air to pass through the Intercooler then MORE of the fin surface area gets Airflow, which = More win.
If you really want to worry about all this, the answer is simple:
Rig up a trigger that turns your engine fans ON above a certain IAT. This will pull air through the intercooler and increase efficiancy of the intercooler.
Couple that with some directors and you're kicking ***.
With or without a bumper in EITHER circumstance doesn't matter. Notwithstanding the fact that you've made claims about how much these buddies of yours "KNOW" before, remember how that conversation went last time? maybe not the best source of knowledge, despite how puppy dog you are about those guys
I know I"m being rough on you, for that I truly apologize, I applaud your recovery on this forum, and am amazed at how far you've come, so I hope you can take my comments here in a positive way, and not stubbornly.
it's ok to nit-pick things in race-car world, where millionths of a second matter, but this is not that place, and the difference you're talking about is miniscule. The dude has a MASSIVE intercooler on his car, if even 20% of it functions half-a$$, it will function better than the little one you have with ANY type of deflector or whatever the fuak you dream up.
Size matters here, that is the MOST important variable, period.
Air doesn't HAVE to pass through the intercooler for it to function, the fins pick up the air and the fins cool the tubes, the tubes contain the air. As much air as you can get to contact as much of the fins = win. If you can get air to pass through the Intercooler then MORE of the fin surface area gets Airflow, which = More win.
If you really want to worry about all this, the answer is simple:
Rig up a trigger that turns your engine fans ON above a certain IAT. This will pull air through the intercooler and increase efficiancy of the intercooler.
Couple that with some directors and you're kicking ***.
With or without a bumper in EITHER circumstance doesn't matter. Notwithstanding the fact that you've made claims about how much these buddies of yours "KNOW" before, remember how that conversation went last time? maybe not the best source of knowledge, despite how puppy dog you are about those guys
I know I"m being rough on you, for that I truly apologize, I applaud your recovery on this forum, and am amazed at how far you've come, so I hope you can take my comments here in a positive way, and not stubbornly.
it's ok to nit-pick things in race-car world, where millionths of a second matter, but this is not that place, and the difference you're talking about is miniscule. The dude has a MASSIVE intercooler on his car, if even 20% of it functions half-a$$, it will function better than the little one you have with ANY type of deflector or whatever the fuak you dream up.
Size matters here, that is the MOST important variable, period.
Last edited by TunerMaxima3000; 10-23-2012 at 05:52 PM.
10-23-2012, 07:04 PM
#315
You really think this to be true? In a MAF based car an IC that big will just result in a rich spike that cannot be corrected. Hit the accelerator, MAF reads huge amount of air thus dumps fuel yet the air hasn't made it yet and you get a rich spike. Happens all the time in poorly designed systems. Like I said, you will use the set-up you think is the best and I will use the set-up that I think is best. I have read countless books and seen countless set-ups. Each have their own advantages but I can assure you the set-up he has is ill conceived in many regards mostly the IC sizing. The complaints I made about the front end are minuscule but still valid.
10-23-2012, 07:13 PM
#316
that sucks dude