SRI issue

[Specd_out]

Maybe I am missing something but whats the point of a velocity stack. Being N/A the engine can only suck what it needs at that time. I dont see how having a larger filter can make power. Its not like its a ram air setup.

[Grand_hustle17]

Originally Posted by Specd_out

Maybe I am missing something but whats the point of a velocity stack. Being N/A the engine can only suck what it needs at that time. I dont see how having a larger filter can make power. Its not like its a ram air setup.

can i be honest... i dont even know what a velocity stack is to be honest... never even cared to look into it, maybe one of these days

[MoncefA33]

Originally Posted by Specd_out

Maybe I am missing something but whats the point of a velocity stack. Being N/A the engine can only suck what it needs at that time. I dont see how having a larger filter can make power. Its not like its a ram air setup.

Makes airflow more laminar, reduces turbulence.

[Grand_hustle17]

Post a pic... I think I know what it is, not sure

[MoncefA33]

Bottom piece.

[Unklejoe]

Originally Posted by Specd_out

I dont see how having a larger filter can make power.

Having a larger filter is always better. In any case.

Reduces resistance to flow and lasts longer.

[CMax03]

Bellmouths are used on turbine engines as well to ensure straight non turbulant airflow......before entering the compressor section to prevent compressor stalls! Here's a shot looking into my bellmouth and trying not to get any body parts ingested in the intake (F.O.D.) or small kids.....LOL

[knight_yyz]

a 3" coupler will fit on the TB

[Grand_hustle17]

Thank you sir

[SoonerFan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velocity_stack

[jeff5347]

Just wanted to throw this in since i read the entire post. i believe the vc to hose should be looped back in as intended. The emissions thing does have valor but also it helps in creating the positive crankcase pressure.
An engine for the most part is an engine. Whether a Nissan , ford, chevy or hyundai. The hose from vc to intake helps take out the pressure that builds up in the crankcase that would lead to excessive blowby in the piston rings had the line been removed. Ive seen guys with drag cars that attach the line to the VC and then have a bung mounted in the headers ading in the suction of the gases.
http://www.streetperformance.com/par...844-25900.html

This also helps the rings to seat tighter in the bore gaining the car more HP. That would be overkill in a street engine even making 260whp but the oem line from vc to intake would be better than not attaching it...if anything it helps the engine live longer ; read:rings

[Grand_hustle17]

Originally Posted by SoonerFan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velocity_stack

nice link but that is rediculous i couldnt even read it...... thanks for the info though

[SoonerFan]

Originally Posted by Grand_hustle17

nice link but that is rediculous i couldnt even read it...... thanks for the info though

improves airflow...probably minimal impact with our engines

[Grand_hustle17]

Originally Posted by SoonerFan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velocity_stack

Originally Posted by jeff5347

Just wanted to throw this in since i read the entire post. i believe the vc to hose should be looped back in as intended. The emissions thing does have valor but also it helps in creating the positive crankcase pressure.
An engine for the most part is an engine. Whether a Nissan , ford, chevy or hyundai. The hose from vc to intake helps take out the pressure that builds up in the crankcase that would lead to excessive blowby in the piston rings had the line been removed. Ive seen guys with drag cars that attach the line to the VC and then have a bung mounted in the headers ading in the suction of the gases.
http://www.streetperformance.com/par...844-25900.html

This also helps the rings to seat tighter in the bore gaining the car more HP. That would be overkill in a street engine even making 260whp but the oem line from vc to intake would be better than not attaching it...if anything it helps the engine live longer ; read:rings

pardon my noobness, but i dont get what you are talking about

[SoonerFan]

Originally Posted by Grand_hustle17

pardon my noobness, but i dont get what you are talking about

i have no idea what he is talking about

[Grand_hustle17]

Originally Posted by SoonerFan

improves airflow...probably minimal impact with our engines

agreed

Originally Posted by SoonerFan

i have no idea what he is talking about

[Rochester]

Originally Posted by Grand_hustle17

nice link but that is rediculous i couldnt even read it...... thanks for the info though

Does Wikipedia offer a language conversion to jive? Maybe that would help.

Yo.

[Grand_hustle17]

Originally Posted by Rochester

Does Wikipedia offer a language conversion to jive? Maybe that would help.

Yo.

.................... I'm gonna let you slide as idk what "jive" is, must be a software term, I do need translation with that thank you...






Yo!

[MoncefA33]

AY! Word em up.

[Z-Powered]

Originally Posted by jeff5347

Just wanted to throw this in since i read the entire post. i believe the vc to hose should be looped back in as intended. The emissions thing does have valor but also it helps in creating the positive crankcase pressure.
An engine for the most part is an engine. Whether a Nissan , ford, chevy or hyundai. The hose from vc to intake helps take out the pressure that builds up in the crankcase that would lead to excessive blowby in the piston rings had the line been removed. Ive seen guys with drag cars that attach the line to the VC and then have a bung mounted in the headers ading in the suction of the gases.
http://www.streetperformance.com/par...844-25900.html

This also helps the rings to seat tighter in the bore gaining the car more HP. That would be overkill in a street engine even making 260whp but the oem line from vc to intake would be better than not attaching it...if anything it helps the engine live longer ; read:rings

Originally Posted by Grand_hustle17

pardon my noobness, but i dont get what you are talking about

Originally Posted by SoonerFan

i have no idea what he is talking about

Leave the PCV hose connected to the midpipe...

[Chris Gregg]

Originally Posted by jeff5347

Just wanted to throw this in since i read the entire post. i believe the vc to hose should be looped back in as intended. The emissions thing does have valor but also it helps in creating the positive crankcase pressure.
An engine for the most part is an engine. Whether a Nissan , ford, chevy or hyundai. The hose from vc to intake helps take out the pressure that builds up in the crankcase that would lead to excessive blowby in the piston rings had the line been removed. Ive seen guys with drag cars that attach the line to the VC and then have a bung mounted in the headers ading in the suction of the gases.
http://www.streetperformance.com/par...844-25900.html

This also helps the rings to seat tighter in the bore gaining the car more HP. That would be overkill in a street engine even making 260whp but the oem line from vc to intake would be better than not attaching it...if anything it helps the engine live longer ; read:rings

Re-iterated my point made in Post #20.....thank you. But I believe your statement should read "it helps in creating the NEGATIVE crankcase pressure." Pulling out the gases works to create a vacuum - ie: lower than atmospheric pressure. Remember, at higher rpms, the PCV valve is closed.

As far as the Wiki post, I think only the top part is really relevant to what we are discussing. But, I'll try to simplify and make more relatable. Imagin air particles are like cars. The intake of the engine is like a freeway. Well, when there are cars traveling down the free way, if there were several side streets meeting the freeway with cars trying to enter, things would get very congested and force cars already on the freeway to move over, ultimately slowing things down. However, freeways as we know them have onramps and merging lanes....these are the equivilent of a velocity stack. As cars move onto the interstate with many other cars already traveling, they get to maintain a higher rate of speed. The vehicles already on the interstate get to maintain there velocity/speed as well and further allow the merging cars to find their place into the flow of traffic. This allows the overall speed/flow of traffic to remain high for ALL vehicles while also allowing more vehicles on the freeway and the transition for everyone is much smoother. Therfore, increased flow/velocity down the freeway (intake).

Crude translation, but hopefully that helps for the common people.

Interesting though, even 3rd gen Maxima's have a velocity stack built into their stock air box.

[Grand_hustle17]

^^^ I don't find the last statement interesting, unless you look at it from the POV where the 3rd gen have a velocity stack but when removed for a regular intake it makes more power.... interesting I guess

[Chris Gregg]

Just interesting to me 3rd gen had a VS stock... at least upon the initial thought.....some hours later......uhm, not so much.

[NmexMAX]

I like Jeff & Chris.




So, in essence of this thread, I'd like to show the Helmholtz vs straight tube:

Helmholtz:



Straight pipe:

[Chris Gregg]

Great - untuned engine airflow BATMAN.. 0.89 horsepower LOST by using the Helmholtz.

LOL "I see what you did there!"

For those that might need some translation of the above graphs, I believe the point being made is not the actual figure...0.89 hp could be chopped up to a lot of variables.

However, what I believe NmexMax is clearly pointing out, is that when air flow is smooth (tuned if you will), then the power band of the engine is significantly changed for the BETTER that when USING the HELMHOLTZ power comes up much more smooth, seeing less fluctuations through the rpm band.

You could almost draw a smooth near bell curve off the first one. The bottom one with straight pipe looks more like the stock market!

[CMax03]

Should've used the same graph, one's by 10's and the other is by 5's.......to keep it apple too apple the entire way......But with my fully understand what Nmex is saying that's what I was feeling with my butt dyno smoother power delivery using my Oem Helmholtz....it just seems to pull more consistently.

[NmexMAX]

All these were done on an untuned engine on the same day. Only difference was the intake.

I can post it on whatever scale you guys would like. I actually ask for my runfiles

It just looks horribly scrambled eggs style when all four are on there same graph. What I plan on doing is a comp between 2 and 2. The low 2 (Helmholtz and not) and the higher 2, et al.

[Z-Powered]

Two questions:

1. Does a smoother power curve necessarily equal faster times if all other variables are equal?

2. If the answer to number 1 is yes, does adding a velocity stack smooth out the power curve as much as keeping the stock Helmholtz resonator?

[Grand_hustle17]

Originally Posted by Z-Powered

Two questions:

1. Does a smoother power curve necessarily equal faster times if all other variables are equal?

2. If the answer to number 1 is yes, does adding a velocity stack smooth out the power curve as much as keeping the stock Helmholtz resonator?

Don't matter....

[NmexMAX]

Really, it doesn't matter. Area under the curve = FTW ..

[CMax03]

Edumication time?

[Grand_hustle17]

Please

[NmexMAX]

Area under the curve you mean? Most hp over the entire scale.


This is completely stock airbox, both with the holtz and w/o.




This is with the GAB, both with and without said Holtz:

[Chris Gregg]

Question: NmexMax - With the Helmholtz removed, did you leave the recirculation system open to air (just put a filter to the front/left side valve cover)? Or, did you reconnect the stock rubber tube off the front valve cover back into the intake somehow?

I ask only because I wonder how much of the HP difference is the helmholtz itself versus the vacuum pulled on the crank case through keeping the recirculation system connected and functioning properly.

Also, could you edit the above graph to better clarify which trace is which (Red vs Blue) in each graph.

[NmexMAX]

The higher peak values are with the Berk midpipe, no box with that said, I was using said mid-pipe, so everything was as it was supposed to (PCV connected).