5th Gen Suspension Thread - Page 2

StAtiXz6 · 01-27-2006, 06:43 AM

lower then Stech? I like stiff but i like low also is it gona be as low or lower then Stech?

*DrKlop* · 01-27-2006, 11:32 AM

Sprint will give 1.8" drop all around:
http://maxmods.dyndns.org/index.php?MaximaSprings

Keep in mind though that same drop for front and back does not mean that your drop will look even.

shurik · 01-27-2006, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DrKlop

I don't think they are hiding anything. If other manufactures wanted to find out the specs of H&Rs they can easily do that by simply testing them. They can't hide anything from pros, they can only prevent us (consumers) from knowing it. It's probably just their stupid marketing policy.

Yeah I see what you're talking about, but anyways it's so weird about front H&Rs compare to Eibachs and probably other springs in height.

booboo13 · 01-31-2006, 09:30 AM

I had Koni's that were supposedly designed for my car on for about 2 years and I have had nothing but problems with them. The installation was a nightmare because the fronts were not struts they were shock inserts that required customizing the stock units. After everything was installed the bolts that held the inserts in the struts fell out multiple times, finally I used loctite and an air wrench until the bolts stopped turning. There was lots of noise and just recently the front left shock blew out its compression under heavy braking(100+MPH full brake force). I finally replaced my whole set with Illumina non-adjustables and am very happy with the setup. H&R Springs. I don't know what the Konis that Custommaxima sells are but I would make sure they are complete units and not inserts like I got. I ordered them from tirerack wholesale and got a "deal"

*DrKlop* · 01-31-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by booboo13

I had Koni's that were supposedly designed for my car on for about 2 years and I have had nothing but problems with them. The installation was a nightmare because the fronts were not struts they were shock inserts that required customizing the stock units. After everything was installed the bolts that held the inserts in the struts fell out multiple times, finally I used loctite and an air wrench until the bolts stopped turning. There was lots of noise and just recently the front left shock blew out its compression under heavy braking(100+MPH full brake force). I finally replaced my whole set with Illumina non-adjustables and am very happy with the setup. H&R Springs. I don't know what the Konis that Custommaxima sells are but I would make sure they are complete units and not inserts like I got. I ordered them from tirerack wholesale and got a "deal"

That's interesting, what springs did you use with Konis?
BTW: you said you got non-adjustable illuminas? As far as I know illuminas are adjustable.

*NYPD-Arnold* · 01-31-2006, 02:21 PM

I'm still extremely pleased with my Maxspeed + OEM Tokicos in the front and Blues in the rear. The ride is just downright perfect.

OOmaxSE · 01-31-2006, 02:22 PM

Got a question for anybody who can please help!

My front suspesion assembly seems to be very "loose" feeling and wobbly over a series of little bumps. It's almost as though the springs don't feel "compressed" enough, making the fronts spring/strut very unstable. I bought the car with GR-2's already in. It has been doing it even with stock springs. I don't know what this could be, everything is tq'ed to spec and properly installed. When the car is jacked, I can twist the springs with EASE, flexing it left and right.

Am I missing a spacer? Upper strut mount is bad? Top hat got switched?(right to left, left to right). It's not wheel bearings either.

*DrKlop* · 01-31-2006, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by OOmaxSE

Got a question for anybody who can please help!

My front suspesion assembly seems to be very "loose" feeling and wobbly over a series of little bumps. It's almost as though the springs don't feel "compressed" enough, making the fronts spring/strut very unstable. I bought the car with GR-2's already in. It has been doing it even with stock springs. I don't know what this could be, everything is tq'ed to spec and properly installed. When the car is jacked, I can twist the springs with EASE, flexing it left and right.

Am I missing a spacer? Upper strut mount is bad? Top hat got switched?(right to left, left to right). It's not wheel bearings either.

Most likely your struts are blown. Try looking for threads where people had similar problems. If you can't find any, just start the whole new thread.

No offence but this isn't really the right thread to discuss it.

MAXIMA_GRL25 · 02-10-2006, 03:15 PM

hi i'm new to the board ..if i wanted to eliminate body roll...would lowering it about 2" help that..also ...would i have to replace my stock struts if i got lowering springs?

*Progress* · 02-10-2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MAXIMA_GRL25

hi i'm new to the board ..if i wanted to eliminate body roll...would lowering it about 2" help that..also ...would i have to replace my stock struts if i got lowering springs?

I think people may have already answered your question. In order to remove body roll I suggest:

1. RSB = $120-250
2. Springs/Struts = $300-1000+
3. FSTB = 30-$100+
4. LTB/SFC (more technical stuff that is more rare) = ?

Lowering your car 2" is not necessarily going to improve handling. In fact, some of the lowest springs offer rates that don't match well with aftermarket shocks. Go for a mild to medium drop (good ones are Progress, Maxspeed, H&R, H-techs, etc.) Those coupled with a RSB should eliminate body roll significantly.

GL

*VQuick* · 02-10-2006, 05:54 PM

Do not get an RSB unless you like snap oversteer. I can't believe after all the threads about it people still want RSBs.

Yes girl, you need good struts if you're lowering your car; the stock struts will blow in a matter of months if you pair them with lowering springs.

*Progress* · 02-11-2006, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by VQuick

Do not get an RSB unless you like snap oversteer. I can't believe after all the threads about it people still want RSBs.

Yes girl, you need good struts if you're lowering your car; the stock struts will blow in a matter of months if you pair them with lowering springs.

What? I guess it depends on what sort of tires you have. I had crappy Coopers on and now I have Proxes 4 and I haven't had any issues with oversteer. Coupled with a FSTB my car is relatively neutral.

*DrKlop* · 02-11-2006, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by VQuick

Do not get an RSB unless you like snap oversteer. I can't believe after all the threads about it people still want RSBs.

Yes girl, you need good struts if you're lowering your car; the stock struts will blow in a matter of months if you pair them with lowering springs.

as I said in the other thread, with the proper setup, it should be fine. Even professional tuners recommend them for FWD applications.

Icondapython · 02-15-2006, 11:52 AM

sorry to come up with a question, i know you guys hate that (prolly not even the right thread but i'm in a hurry).....so i apologize in advance.

I'm getting a suspension setup....prolly gonna order tonight. Can i pair up Progress springs with tokico blues? or illuminas would be better? i mean i'm kinda tight on money so if i could go with the blues, that would be nice. Thank you again, and sorry if you guys get pissed off......

*DrKlop* · 02-15-2006, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Icondapython

sorry to come up with a question, i know you guys hate that (prolly not even the right thread but i'm in a hurry).....so i apologize in advance.

I'm getting a suspension setup....prolly gonna order tonight. Can i pair up Progress springs with tokico blues? or illuminas would be better? i mean i'm kinda tight on money so if i could go with the blues, that would be nice. Thank you again, and sorry if you guys get pissed off......

Nobody should get pissed off, it's a good question in the right thread.

Blues will fit but you will not be able to properly match the shock domping force with the spring rate (since Blues are not adjustable,) which might result in poor handling.

If handling is one of your priorities get illuminas. IMO

**Puppetmaster** · 02-15-2006, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DrKlop

as I said in the other thread, with the proper setup, it should be fine. Even professional tuners recommend them for FWD applications.

I have to say that I don't think the set-up matters as much as the ability and preference of the driver. I have had the RSB on my already lowered car and have no "snap" oversteer, regardless, I'm aware of the oversteer and know how to drive with it. Once people get used to it, its fine, IMO.

*DrKlop* · 02-15-2006, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Puppetmaster

I have to say that I don't think the set-up matters as much as the ability and preference of the driver. I have had the RSB on my already lowered car and have no "snap" oversteer, regardless, I'm aware of the oversteer and know how to drive with it. Once people get used to it, its fine, IMO.

As far as I understand, oversteer due to RSB depends on two things. First, is the spring rate, the stiffer you springs the less difference your RSB makes. Second is you car's behavior without RSB (understeer/oversteer.)

BTW, check out the thread where conversation has originally started (post # 189 and down): http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....74#post4726174

Icondapython · 02-15-2006, 05:57 PM

DrKlop, thanks man...really appriciate your feedback. so i guess i'll go with illuminas, cuz i want my max to handle real good so i can keep up with my boy's Sti (he cant drive stick that well, and he gets me on the turns.) anyways. thanks alot and if i get them with progress do you know what setting i should keep the illuminas? and if i want to PM you after i get my suspension you think you could help me out. thanks alot man, and sorry for the big post guys. I love maxima.org

Car_no0b · 02-15-2006, 06:58 PM

i dont know anything about cars..but i was thinking of dropping my car is 2.2fr and 1.6 toooo low? or is it ok because its a big car? any do they not make camber kit for the rear? i only see front ones

*DrKlop* · 02-15-2006, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Icondapython

DrKlop, thanks man...really appriciate your feedback. so i guess i'll go with illuminas, cuz i want my max to handle real good so i can keep up with my boy's Sti (he cant drive stick that well, and he gets me on the turns.) anyways. thanks alot and if i get them with progress do you know what setting i should keep the illuminas? and if i want to PM you after i get my suspension you think you could help me out. thanks alot man, and sorry for the big post guys. I love maxima.org

No problem! I’m not sure what’s the best setting for Progress though. Try different settings, play around with them and you’ll figure it out on your own. The general idea is to try making your suspension move as freely as possible while still controlling oscillations of the springs. Obviously, the best and the only way that will guarantee that you have the best possible setting is to test your car on a skid pad and run some timed slalom, but it’s not possible for most of us. So, just find the softest setting at which your car will not feel floaty. Feel free to PM me with any questions, though I will not be able to answer any installation related questions since I’m still on stock springs/shocks ($$$

) and I have never done any suspension work.

Also, do as much research as possible before selecting your springs, it is very easy to choose something that will not be the best for your needs. I’m not saying that it’s true or false, but Progress are considered to be too low for optimal handling by many people.

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Originally Posted by Car_no0b

i dont know anything about cars..but i was thinking of dropping my car is 2.2fr and 1.6 toooo low? or is it ok because its a big car? any do they not make camber kit for the rear? i only see front ones

Yes, definitely too low, don’t go any lower than Progress with standard aftermarket springs. If you are talking about coilovers, the lowest you can go is 2 inches.

Icondapython · 02-15-2006, 07:51 PM

yeah, i have really researched on this suspension stuff. I was really gonna get s-techs but then i realised that they were gonna be wayy too low because of the city i live in Philly, omg the roads are horrible, i mean if it was OC, Ca then it would be a different story but anyways. I think progress would be best for me, cuz i am looking for drop. Like i want 50% drop and 50% ability, if you know what i'm saying. and i heard you can use progress springs on your stock struts? is that true, i read it on housers site. (i think i spelled that wrong)...

Gjohnson · 02-15-2006, 07:55 PM

Man, if you plan on doing suspension. I would recommend replacing spring and struts at the same time. Believe me you won't want to pull that crap a part and replace struts a couple months later. I did my suspension on my old 3rd gen over a year and a half ago and it makes me not want to look at the suspension on my new Max. But hey it was my first time, so maybe it might be a little easier this time.

**Puppetmaster** · 02-15-2006, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DrKlop

As far as I understand, oversteer due to RSB depends on two things. First, is the spring rate, the stiffer you springs the less difference your RSB makes. Second is you car's behavior without RSB (understeer/oversteer.)

BTW, check out the thread where conversation has originally started (post # 189 and down): http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....74#post4726174

I understand what you're saying, but my point isn't about oversteer or putting together the right neutral steering set-up, my point is simply regardless of how the car is set-up (and regardless of whether a person knows how to set it up), if driver awareness and ability are of a decent level, oversteer and even "snap" oversteer will not be a problem.

My favorite post of the thread:

http://forums.maxima.org/showpost.ph...&postcount=198