View Poll Results: What pads are the best for a non-racer?
Hawk HPS (ferro-carbon)
56
51.85%
Hawk Ceramic
10
9.26%
Hawk HP Plus
10
9.26%
PBR / AXXIS Deluxe
6
5.56%
PBR / AXXIS Metal Master XBG
7
6.48%
PBR / AXXIS Ultimate (Kevlar - Ceramic)
9
8.33%
Other - Please specify
13
12.04%
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Which pads are best for a non-racer?
12-21-2005, 01:03 PM
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Which pads are best for a non-racer?
Being the mature 36 year old father of a one year old, who drives 130-150 miles a day in his beloved 2002 GLE. I was wondering what pads would be best for an aggressive but non-racing driver.
I had recently put on a set of no name blanks with Raybestos pads and after 2,000 miles I have that ridiculous braking vibration/steering wheel shake. I already got a set of brembo blanks, and want to put a good set of pads on, thus the poll.
Thanks,
Keith
I had recently put on a set of no name blanks with Raybestos pads and after 2,000 miles I have that ridiculous braking vibration/steering wheel shake. I already got a set of brembo blanks, and want to put a good set of pads on, thus the poll.
Thanks,
Keith
12-21-2005, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by NYPD-Arnold
He said he doesn't want braking vibration. I don't like my Hawk HPS at all. They may stop on a dime, but they make that horrid, horrid burly grinding noise and sound like utter sh*t.
And they dust like hell.
And they dust like hell.
But they dont have matterial transfer that causes shuttering...
They may be a little loud on slow stops, but I love them.
12-21-2005, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by NYPD-Arnold
He said he doesn't want braking vibration. I don't like my Hawk HPS at all. They may stop on a dime, but they make that horrid, horrid burly grinding noise and sound like utter sh*t.
And they dust like hell.
And they dust like hell.
The HPS are BY FAR the best pads I've ever used for street driving (and I also autocross with them)...I've used raybestos, Axxis, Greenstuff, and several other types, and none come close to the Hawks in ANY respect. Smooth as butter, silent, great initial bite, no fade whatsovers, and less dust than any pad I've used on the maxima.
12-21-2005, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by NYPD-Arnold
After a few hard stops, the pads harden up and begin to make the terrible noise. It happens only if the pads are heated up, which, living in NYC, is a fairly easy thing to do daily.
I'm going to stick by the opinion that there is something else wrong with your braking system besides the pads....is the rest of your braking system stock?
Originally Posted by upstatemax
I would listen to Irish, he is old now
12-22-2005, 08:40 AM
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Ok, I bought a set of Hawk HPS for the front and rear. Hopefully they'll go well with my Brembo blanks and I'll get no wheel vibration.
Anyone have any other recs for me, do i need any new mounting hardware, (ie clips or the like)?
Keith
Anyone have any other recs for me, do i need any new mounting hardware, (ie clips or the like)?
Keith
12-22-2005, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by MrMaximaGLE
Ok, I bought a set of Hawk HPS for the front and rear. Hopefully they'll go well with my Brembo blanks and I'll get no wheel vibration.
Anyone have any other recs for me, do i need any new mounting hardware, (ie clips or the like)?
Keith
Anyone have any other recs for me, do i need any new mounting hardware, (ie clips or the like)?
Keith
12-22-2005, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Ricedout
you probalby need new rotors.
No, I know what he is talking about. I have slotted rotors as well. But on Slow stops or crawling traffic the brakes make a nice grinding sound. Like a stone being dragged across the rotors.
Once again I only notice it on slow stops and only if I have the radio off.
12-22-2005, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by upstatemax
No, I know what he is talking about. I have slotted rotors as well. But on Slow stops or crawling traffic the brakes make a nice grinding sound. Like a stone being dragged across the rotors.
Once again I only notice it on slow stops and only if I have the radio off.
Once again I only notice it on slow stops and only if I have the radio off.
12-22-2005, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Lontar1
I have to tell you I have powerslot and have never heard the brakes making any noise....
Hmm, Well I replaced most of my braking system at once. RTP Slotted rotors, Hawk HPS pads, Technafit SS lines and all new fluid. I noticed it when I took the car on her first test drive. As I said I only notice it on slow dragging stops so I dont really worry about it.
Edit: what direction do you have the slots going? can you post a pic of your rotors for refernence?
If this was my front passengers it would look like this:
12-22-2005, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by upstatemax
No, I know what he is talking about. I have slotted rotors as well. But on Slow stops or crawling traffic the brakes make a nice grinding sound. Like a stone being dragged across the rotors.
Once again I only notice it on slow stops and only if I have the radio off.
Once again I only notice it on slow stops and only if I have the radio off.
12-23-2005, 09:51 AM
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Anybody have any other ideas on what i can do to help prevent this vibration business. A mechanic friend of mine told me to make sure I clean the hub really well so the rotor sits correct and make sure I don't over torque when tightening down.
12-23-2005, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by MrMaximaGLE
Anybody have any other ideas on what i can do to help prevent this vibration business. A mechanic friend of mine told me to make sure I clean the hub really well so the rotor sits correct and make sure I don't over torque when tightening down.
The main reason for the vibration is pad material transfers onto the rotor and gives you an uneven braking surface.
Thats why Hawk HPS pads are popular, they dont have this problem so you dont get that crappy vibration.
9/10 peoples rotors are not warped it is the material transfer. Our OEM pads transfer a lot, so they vibrate like crazy if you get them really hot a few times (emergency stops).
12-23-2005, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by MrMaximaGLE
so hawks with welfare $20 rotors would be ok?
BlackBirdVQ swears by it.... I have slotted rotors with Hawk HPS, I have gotten them VERY hot and no vibration at all.
12-23-2005, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Lontar1
Hawk HPS I just ordered them for 52 shipped... Ihad them on my car for three years until Kruppa started asking me question about them 
and they went bad.
. so new pads on friday....
and they went bad.. so new pads on friday....
12-23-2005, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by upstatemax
The main reason for the vibration is pad material transfers onto the rotor and gives you an uneven braking surface.
Thats why Hawk HPS pads are popular, they dont have this problem so you dont get that crappy vibration.
9/10 peoples rotors are not warped it is the material transfer. Our OEM pads transfer a lot, so they vibrate like crazy if you get them really hot a few times (emergency stops).
Thats why Hawk HPS pads are popular, they dont have this problem so you dont get that crappy vibration.
9/10 peoples rotors are not warped it is the material transfer. Our OEM pads transfer a lot, so they vibrate like crazy if you get them really hot a few times (emergency stops).
12-23-2005, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by irish44j
I think I've said this in a million threads, and people still don't seem to believe me
Thats why I am trying to
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12-24-2005, 01:03 PM
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Here you go.... I went all the way and get you what you need.. these are the ones I ordered.....Ti get the $10 off look to your left side and click on the $10 off in shipping.... good luck....
http://www.buybrakes.com/store/HB268-665
http://www.buybrakes.com/store/HB268-665
12-27-2005, 09:21 AM
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Lontar, thanks for the link. I'll be ordering in the next few days.
Out of curiosity, what other pads don't have problems with material transfer?? Based on another thread, I'd wager that the Nismo pads don't have this problem, but it seems like the trade-off is that they'll kill your rotors after prolonged use. Which other ones?
Out of curiosity, what other pads don't have problems with material transfer?? Based on another thread, I'd wager that the Nismo pads don't have this problem, but it seems like the trade-off is that they'll kill your rotors after prolonged use. Which other ones?
12-27-2005, 01:14 PM
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Lontar, thanks for the link. I'll be ordering in the next few days.
Out of curiosity, what other pads don't have problems with material transfer?? Based on another thread, I'd wager that the Nismo pads don't have this problem, but it seems like the trade-off is that they'll kill your rotors after prolonged use. Which other ones?
Out of curiosity, what other pads don't have problems with material transfer?? Based on another thread, I'd wager that the Nismo pads don't have this problem, but it seems like the trade-off is that they'll kill your rotors after prolonged use. Which other ones?
12-27-2005, 02:49 PM
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hey irish http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=446617 thats the link to some guy on here that tried the nismo pads i think he said they were good but im not sure but you can read up on it if you like
01-06-2006, 08:56 PM
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Hawk HPS's are nice pads although they are overpriced and they do should like crap and squeel on occasion. They dust just slightly more than stock pads.
However, I cannot wait to try my Raybestos Quietstops this summer.
However, I cannot wait to try my Raybestos Quietstops this summer.
01-07-2006, 10:09 AM
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I agree with you Arnold, I have had similar experience with the HPS pads, making the noises you mention, although I had the same HPS on my 98 and they were fine. I sometimes wonder if pad manufactures compounds vary between different manufacturing runs? I have had very good experience with good old Axxis/PBR Metal Masters, around 3 sets, and no issues.
On a similar note I purchased some EBC greenstuff pads and they were great for the first 5k miles then the same slow speed, dull grinding noise returned. I have since gone back to factory Nissan pads with Cryo'd rotors and couldn't be happier. They don't have the initial cold bite that I prefer, but are Oh So silent and really never fade with my driving style.
On a similar note I purchased some EBC greenstuff pads and they were great for the first 5k miles then the same slow speed, dull grinding noise returned. I have since gone back to factory Nissan pads with Cryo'd rotors and couldn't be happier. They don't have the initial cold bite that I prefer, but are Oh So silent and really never fade with my driving style.
Originally Posted by NYPD-Arnold
He said he doesn't want braking vibration. I don't like my Hawk HPS at all. They may stop on a dime, but they make that horrid, horrid burly grinding noise and sound like utter sh*t.
And they dust like hell.
And they dust like hell.
02-09-2006, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by unrealii
Hate to dig up a thread, but what rotors would be suggested for a "non racer"? I'm thinking brembo blanks? I dont mind paying extra for slotted if they are really better for the long run.
Slotted rotors are only for looks. I like they way they looked, so I put them on my car.
Best peformance is going to be blanks still.