View Poll Results: Supercharger or Turbo Kit
I'd rather have a Supercharger
51
57.30%
Give me a Turbo!
38
42.70%
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Supercharger vs Turbocharger *POLL*
#41
i personaly have an auto so i would like a SC kit better. what kind of SC would it be like a vortec style or blow/roots style.
#42
Originally Posted by SSR Engineering
Stage I:
T3/T4
FMIC
manifolds/piping
hose/clamps
Vortech FMU
cheap BOV(have delete option)
cheap WG(have delete option)
Stage II:
GT30R (Ball-Bearing?) Yes.
Apexi S-AFC
HKS BOV
TIAL WG
Blitz TT
Hallman MBC
Stage III:
GT35R (ball-bearing?) Yes.
DSBC (DSBC?)
Aquamist WI
Greddy Emanage
RC 440cc injectors <--eww Yes, PE injectors would be prefered, but cost is half!
3" MB exhaust
T3/T4
FMIC
manifolds/piping
hose/clamps
Vortech FMU
cheap BOV(have delete option)
cheap WG(have delete option)
Stage II:
GT30R (Ball-Bearing?) Yes.
Apexi S-AFC
HKS BOV
TIAL WG
Blitz TT
Hallman MBC
Stage III:
GT35R (ball-bearing?) Yes.
DSBC (DSBC?)
Aquamist WI
Greddy Emanage
RC 440cc injectors <--eww Yes, PE injectors would be prefered, but cost is half!
3" MB exhaust
This is a good idea, we can do it, if you want we could build one for your car. But more then likely a GT30R Would require aftermarket fuel injectors as well.
As far as meeting, I can see what my brothers up to, I'm in phoenix for a while. I'm sure he wouldn't mind meeting with you
#43
oh yea i would do a stage 2 kit and i like the SC because the price is better. and thanks for all the support one new stuff for our cars it is about time.
#44
Originally Posted by IceY2K1
The stock 295cc injectors with a FMU will support 350-375whp, which is all I'm after on stock internals. HOWEVER, as soon as Deac verifies 350Z injectors fit, I'd quickly drop RC bigger injectors too.
Why would I want to meet your brother? What's your status in Tucson and Phoenix area in the next few months? You have a shop yet?
Why would I want to meet your brother? What's your status in Tucson and Phoenix area in the next few months? You have a shop yet?
#45
I'm with IceY2K1 on that Stage II Turbo, that is definitely the move for 00/01 Maximas.
Wasn't someone else planning to build that for us here on the org a little while back? I could've sworn I read a thread on that.
Whatever happened to that deal?
Wasn't someone else planning to build that for us here on the org a little while back? I could've sworn I read a thread on that.
Whatever happened to that deal?
#47
Originally Posted by bk2kmax
I'm with IceY2K1 on that Stage II Turbo, that is definitely the move for 00/01 Maximas.
Wasn't someone else planning to build that for us here on the org a little while back? I could've sworn I read a thread on that.
Whatever happened to that deal?
Wasn't someone else planning to build that for us here on the org a little while back? I could've sworn I read a thread on that.
Whatever happened to that deal?
- Ball-bearing,
- Complete Turbo Kit,
- Intercooler,
- Fuel and FMU
That will cost a pretty penny, would you guys be interested in having custom internals built as well?
#49
Well, the sooner the better, thats what I always say. So for those of you that are anxiously waiting any forms of forced induction, there is a solution. If you want to be the guy that gets the first kit we work out GREAT deals for you. Especially on the supercharger system. We offer to give you cost on the parts, free labor, free tuning, free polishing and other stuff. So PM me for more info.
#50
Originally Posted by SSR Engineering
Well, the sooner the better, thats what I always say. So for those of you that are anxiously waiting any forms of forced induction, there is a solution. If you want to be the guy that gets the first kit we work out GREAT deals for you. Especially on the supercharger system. We offer to give you cost on the parts, free labor, free tuning, free polishing and other stuff. So PM me for more info.
#51
#52
Just wondering if you have any affiliation or are associates with any shops
in the NJ/NY are that would be able to install this kit- if so I can donor my car
for the SC and take part in the expenses- as a result you'll have "many"
buyers of your kit and referral to the shop that installs it here in the NE- being that a large majority of Max owners reside here...food for thought
in the NJ/NY are that would be able to install this kit- if so I can donor my car
for the SC and take part in the expenses- as a result you'll have "many"
buyers of your kit and referral to the shop that installs it here in the NE- being that a large majority of Max owners reside here...food for thought
#53
Is boosting even recommended for autos?
I just got a 2k auto and maybe in about a year I will have enough money + guts to actually do something like that.
I just got a 2k auto and maybe in about a year I will have enough money + guts to actually do something like that.
#54
Originally Posted by maxGTRvq35de
where are you guys located
Originally Posted by MannyNJ2k2max
Just wondering if you have any affiliation or are associates with any shops
in the NJ/NY are that would be able to install this kit- if so I can donor my car
for the SC and take part in the expenses- as a result you'll have "many"
buyers of your kit and referral to the shop that installs it here in the NE- being that a large majority of Max owners reside here...food for thought
in the NJ/NY are that would be able to install this kit- if so I can donor my car
for the SC and take part in the expenses- as a result you'll have "many"
buyers of your kit and referral to the shop that installs it here in the NE- being that a large majority of Max owners reside here...food for thought
#55
A Turbo or SC kit that can put down 300 HP, for 3000-3500$ I would be really interested, If it save all the trouble of custom making and get less fitting, cutting, grinding and welding problem, well than show me the stuff and I'll find the dough to buy one. I can take care of the installation since I'm 5000km away from you.
Cheers
AA
Cheers
AA
#56
Ive had several turbo cars. I am really tired of the rubber band
reaction to the go pedal. Only brief drives in SC cars but they seem to have
more of the instant torque feel of a big V8.
reaction to the go pedal. Only brief drives in SC cars but they seem to have
more of the instant torque feel of a big V8.
#58
Originally Posted by Mick Max
Ive had several turbo cars. I am really tired of the rubber band
reaction to the go pedal. Only brief drives in SC cars but they seem to have
more of the instant torque feel of a big V8.
reaction to the go pedal. Only brief drives in SC cars but they seem to have
more of the instant torque feel of a big V8.
Roots type SC have that instant torque because of their design. Nothing puts down more low end torque than a roots except maybe nitrous. The centrifigal is liuke a turbo in that you have to get higher into the revs to feel the boost.
Thats why i want a roots...
But I understand it probably wouldn't fit.
#60
Originally Posted by 96_vqmax
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#61
Id love a turbo, BUT for the cost and what id use it for personally id rather have a simple SC-i that can put down an extra 75-125whp and for the most part still keep the car relaible.
Mine is an auto on top of that, so I would still need to mess with a few things to keep it holding together as well.
Mine is an auto on top of that, so I would still need to mess with a few things to keep it holding together as well.
#62
Originally Posted by HitManSE
Id love a turbo, BUT for the cost and what id use it for personally id rather have a simple SC-i that can put down an extra 75-125whp and for the most part still keep the car relaible.
Mine is an auto on top of that, so I would still need to mess with a few things to keep it holding together as well.
Mine is an auto on top of that, so I would still need to mess with a few things to keep it holding together as well.
I also have an auto and I want the S/C
#63
Originally Posted by SSR Engineering
It seems a fair amount of you would like the simplicity of a supercharger system, if thats so, we can build an entire supercharger system for a really nice price.
One thing I want is, if you guys reply in favor of the supercharger please specify why, and also, would you prefer stages?
Example with ESTIMATED Prices
-Stage 1 - Supercharger system $3000-3500
-Stage 2 - Intercooler and Fuel $+1500
-Stage 3 - High boost, internals, etc. +$2000
Whereas the Turbo Kit would be around 6000-6500
-With Fuel, Intercooler, High Boost capabilities, etc.
One thing I want is, if you guys reply in favor of the supercharger please specify why, and also, would you prefer stages?
Example with ESTIMATED Prices
-Stage 1 - Supercharger system $3000-3500
-Stage 2 - Intercooler and Fuel $+1500
-Stage 3 - High boost, internals, etc. +$2000
Whereas the Turbo Kit would be around 6000-6500
-With Fuel, Intercooler, High Boost capabilities, etc.
#65
Originally Posted by SSR Engineering
We'll get all of our ducks in a row and hopefully have each and every option available, by summer time.
hello~
have you had a chance to look into my questions regarding your future SC kit?
-how much boost you plan to run with in stage 2?
-what's included in "fuel" in stage 2? fuel rail, injectors, fuel pump, adjustable FMU and FPR? How are those going to be applied on 2k2's returnless fuel system?
-high boost for stage 3 - how high? 2.62 pulley?
-Is it worth to use intercooler to cool charging air from a centrifugal SC? will it hurt the performance? Somehow, on a same car, I feel your Stage 1 will be faster than Stage 2.
it is funny to see people making choices without knowing what's really in it.
thank you~
#66
Originally Posted by woreyah
Question: If both kits were setup to produce the exact same horsepower, say 325WHP, which one would produce more torque? The kit that produces more torque is the kit I want.
definitly the turbo kit (if everything works fine). centrifugal SC sucks at producing torque.
#67
Originally Posted by [maxi-overdose]
definitly the turbo kit (if everything works fine). centrifugal SC sucks at producing torque.
#68
Originally Posted by SSR Engineering
It seems a fair amount of you would like the simplicity of a supercharger system, if thats so, we can build an entire supercharger system for a really nice price.
One thing I want is, if you guys reply in favor of the supercharger please specify why, and also, would you prefer stages?
Example with ESTIMATED Prices
-Stage 1 - Supercharger system $3000-3500
-Stage 2 - Intercooler and Fuel $+1500
-Stage 3 - High boost, internals, etc. +$2000
Whereas the Turbo Kit would be around 6000-6500
-With Fuel, Intercooler, High Boost capabilities, etc.
One thing I want is, if you guys reply in favor of the supercharger please specify why, and also, would you prefer stages?
Example with ESTIMATED Prices
-Stage 1 - Supercharger system $3000-3500
-Stage 2 - Intercooler and Fuel $+1500
-Stage 3 - High boost, internals, etc. +$2000
Whereas the Turbo Kit would be around 6000-6500
-With Fuel, Intercooler, High Boost capabilities, etc.
#69
Originally Posted by woreyah
As apposed to the roots type which most SC pick-ups use?
The only advantage of centrifugal SC is that it generates less heat and put less stress on the motor since it is so linear.
http://www.superchargeronline.com/content.asp?ID=5
the link above is a nice comparison between all 3 types of SC
#70
hello~
have you had a chance to look into my questions regarding your future SC kit?
-how much boost you plan to run with in stage 2?
Depends on the setup, what it allows us to do, and what we are pushing with stage one, i'd say 10ish.
-what's included in "fuel" in stage 2? fuel rail, injectors, fuel pump, adjustable FMU and FPR? How are those going to be applied on 2k2's returnless fuel system?
We create Fuel Return Lines, we've done it on the Altima, Sentra and RX-8
-high boost for stage 3 - how high? 2.62 pulley?
This can't be determined yet, but expect stage 3 to be somewhat of a High Horsepower, motor needs to be built kit.
-Is it worth to use intercooler to cool charging air from a centrifugal SC? will it hurt the performance? Somehow, on a same car, I feel your Stage 1 will be faster than Stage 2.
Yes, Vortech is introducing Front Mount Intercoolers on all of their new Supercharging systems (well for the 350z anyways).
it is funny to see people making choices without knowing what's really in it.
thank you~
have you had a chance to look into my questions regarding your future SC kit?
-how much boost you plan to run with in stage 2?
Depends on the setup, what it allows us to do, and what we are pushing with stage one, i'd say 10ish.
-what's included in "fuel" in stage 2? fuel rail, injectors, fuel pump, adjustable FMU and FPR? How are those going to be applied on 2k2's returnless fuel system?
We create Fuel Return Lines, we've done it on the Altima, Sentra and RX-8
-high boost for stage 3 - how high? 2.62 pulley?
This can't be determined yet, but expect stage 3 to be somewhat of a High Horsepower, motor needs to be built kit.
-Is it worth to use intercooler to cool charging air from a centrifugal SC? will it hurt the performance? Somehow, on a same car, I feel your Stage 1 will be faster than Stage 2.
Yes, Vortech is introducing Front Mount Intercoolers on all of their new Supercharging systems (well for the 350z anyways).
it is funny to see people making choices without knowing what's really in it.
thank you~
#72
By 2000rpm a turbo is SPANKING a Vortech SC and I highly doubt any other SC will be used due to cost and space requirements. I'll take full-boost@3000rpm for a turbo anyday over a SC@6400rpm.
SC sounds better?
SC sounds better?
Originally Posted by jessemcd
S/C for sure. i hate turbo lag! also it sounds cooler! so how much for installation?
#73
Originally Posted by MannyNJ2k2max
I'm assuming the majority of 3.5 Max owners that would consider boost mainly
just want to be 13 sec cars and not be shyt on by Evo's/Sti's on the reg-
"I" would be content with that- I drive my car everyday but like to drive aggressively and hit the track a few times a year-
So a SC (stage 1/2) would be my limit
You don't need boost to make the 3.5L Maximas a 13 second car...
Boost could get the 3.5L into the 11's with some good planning.
#74
Originally Posted by Quicksilver
You don't need boost to make the 3.5L Maximas a 13 second car...
Boost could get the 3.5L into the 11's with some good planning.
Boost could get the 3.5L into the 11's with some good planning.
#76
Originally Posted by 03BlkSETE
Aren't their already a handful of 02-03's that have hit the 13's with just the basic bolt ons. That's without headers, ECU, and cams.
on street trim that doesnt need to be pushed too hard and sound like a locomotive (headers)...choo-choo!
#77
hey ice12k1, i just ment that the whistle of the SC to me, sounds better than the turbo. but thats not the reason i would choose a SC. it was just a point.
#78
Originally Posted by MannyNJ2k2max
An N/A 13 sec Maxima wouldnt be too commuter friendly- would you say?
There would be little to no drivability differences between the current mid 14 second stock setup and a 13.9-13.8 second totally streetable car. Wheels/tires, headers (that actually make HP), ECU tuning...and PRESTO! It's a high to mid 13 second car.
#79
Originally Posted by Quicksilver
There would be little to no drivability differences between the current mid 14 second stock setup and a 13.9-13.8 second totally streetable car. Wheels/tires, headers (that actually make HP), ECU tuning...and PRESTO! It's a high to mid 13 second car.
sorry I cant take the rumble of the headers on my "family" sedan......
I know the Max can push those numbers N/A..... but rather spend~$4000
on an SC that'll put me in the low 13's in street form and keep my precats....more stealth for what I picture my car to be....when I need boost I'll be revin' high for it.....besides I dont want to blow my first childs ear drums w/in cabin noise/pressure..
#80
thx for the response. I am looking forward to see some picture of the prototype and some dyno result.
I worked on my stillen kit for about 1 year and half. I have come up with few suggestions from what I've been thru.
1.easier access to the SC pulley - apparently the stillen kit sucks at this.
2.easy to adjust SC pulley position for belt alignment - to correct belt alignment on stillen kit...you have to take the entire thing off and add washers between the mounting plate and the blower - what a pain.
3.is it possiblt to avoid using those FHCS (the allen key screws)? I stripped so many of them ever since I got the kit. hopefully it is possible to use regular hex bolts.
4.route the oil feed line to a small oil cooler - it is always nice to have cooler oil goes into the blower.
I worked on my stillen kit for about 1 year and half. I have come up with few suggestions from what I've been thru.
1.easier access to the SC pulley - apparently the stillen kit sucks at this.
2.easy to adjust SC pulley position for belt alignment - to correct belt alignment on stillen kit...you have to take the entire thing off and add washers between the mounting plate and the blower - what a pain.
3.is it possiblt to avoid using those FHCS (the allen key screws)? I stripped so many of them ever since I got the kit. hopefully it is possible to use regular hex bolts.
4.route the oil feed line to a small oil cooler - it is always nice to have cooler oil goes into the blower.
Originally Posted by SSR Engineering
hello~
have you had a chance to look into my questions regarding your future SC kit?
-how much boost you plan to run with in stage 2?
Depends on the setup, what it allows us to do, and what we are pushing with stage one, i'd say 10ish.
-what's included in "fuel" in stage 2? fuel rail, injectors, fuel pump, adjustable FMU and FPR? How are those going to be applied on 2k2's returnless fuel system?
We create Fuel Return Lines, we've done it on the Altima, Sentra and RX-8
-high boost for stage 3 - how high? 2.62 pulley?
This can't be determined yet, but expect stage 3 to be somewhat of a High Horsepower, motor needs to be built kit.
-Is it worth to use intercooler to cool charging air from a centrifugal SC? will it hurt the performance? Somehow, on a same car, I feel your Stage 1 will be faster than Stage 2.
Yes, Vortech is introducing Front Mount Intercoolers on all of their new Supercharging systems (well for the 350z anyways).
it is funny to see people making choices without knowing what's really in it.
thank you~
have you had a chance to look into my questions regarding your future SC kit?
-how much boost you plan to run with in stage 2?
Depends on the setup, what it allows us to do, and what we are pushing with stage one, i'd say 10ish.
-what's included in "fuel" in stage 2? fuel rail, injectors, fuel pump, adjustable FMU and FPR? How are those going to be applied on 2k2's returnless fuel system?
We create Fuel Return Lines, we've done it on the Altima, Sentra and RX-8
-high boost for stage 3 - how high? 2.62 pulley?
This can't be determined yet, but expect stage 3 to be somewhat of a High Horsepower, motor needs to be built kit.
-Is it worth to use intercooler to cool charging air from a centrifugal SC? will it hurt the performance? Somehow, on a same car, I feel your Stage 1 will be faster than Stage 2.
Yes, Vortech is introducing Front Mount Intercoolers on all of their new Supercharging systems (well for the 350z anyways).
it is funny to see people making choices without knowing what's really in it.
thank you~