THE NEW Let's sue nissan for our 15hp thread
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THE NEW Let's sue nissan for our 15hp thread
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He thinks we have a very good case and would like as much information and proof as possible. He said the best route would be a class action law suit and nissan would have to either compensate the effected parties, give the option of recison(buy back) or fix it to the right hp.
What he asked of me was my dyno tests with THE DATES OF THE DYNO's and THE DATE OF PURCHASE of the car. Along with the telephone numbers of other people who have STOCK dyno tests. PLEASE PLEASE, email me tonight at steve@frankencar.com and i will give you his fax number where he requested all the information be sent to tomorrow.
-DYNO with date and time
-Purchase date of car
-Trannsmission type
-Name and Telephone number to contact you at
What i need help with is finding documentation of the standards for horsepower loss from the crank to the wheels. If someone could please help find that tonight it would be appreciated i'll be dealing with gathering dynoes and also shipping out some intakes lol gotta keep the business going.
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i started a new thread cus the other one got too long and lots of babbling so let's gather this info asap.
He thinks we have a very good case and would like as much information and proof as possible. He said the best route would be a class action law suit and nissan would have to either compensate the effected parties, give the option of recison(buy back) or fix it to the right hp.
What he asked of me was my dyno tests with THE DATES OF THE DYNO's and THE DATE OF PURCHASE of the car. Along with the telephone numbers of other people who have STOCK dyno tests. PLEASE PLEASE, email me tonight at steve@frankencar.com and i will give you his fax number where he requested all the information be sent to tomorrow.
-DYNO with date and time
-Purchase date of car
-Trannsmission type
-Name and Telephone number to contact you at
What i need help with is finding documentation of the standards for horsepower loss from the crank to the wheels. If someone could please help find that tonight it would be appreciated i'll be dealing with gathering dynoes and also shipping out some intakes lol gotta keep the business going.
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i started a new thread cus the other one got too long and lots of babbling so let's gather this info asap.
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This should have gone on the 5th gen area. Anyway, the H-town peeps are getting a dyno session done in a couple of weeks. I'll try to join and redyno in the correct gear. Additionally i think d_warner and a couple other 2k2/3's will be there so that should help the cause.
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Originally posted by soundmike
This should have gone on the 5th gen area. Anyway, the H-town peeps are getting a dyno session done in a couple of weeks. I'll try to join and redyno in the correct gear. Additionally i think d_warner and a couple other 2k2/3's will be there so that should help the cause.
This should have gone on the 5th gen area. Anyway, the H-town peeps are getting a dyno session done in a couple of weeks. I'll try to join and redyno in the correct gear. Additionally i think d_warner and a couple other 2k2/3's will be there so that should help the cause.
MODS can you move me to 5th and sticky me. thanks.
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Originally posted by Chris91SE
they should owe me 100 or so in back HP
anyway good luck to you guys...from what i've seen other car owners have done this to other manufacturers w/ results...
they should owe me 100 or so in back HP
anyway good luck to you guys...from what i've seen other car owners have done this to other manufacturers w/ results...
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Re: Why compare to Altima?
Originally posted by MaxSand02
I've read all post and I don't get why do we have to use Altima for reference.
I've read all post and I don't get why do we have to use Altima for reference.
I have 02 auto stock, 8000 miles, bought in February. I live in DC metro area. Where to dyno? How long does it take? How much does it cost?
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From what I've read on other forums (Ford-related), there are actually a number of different ways that manufacturers can rate the horsepower on their engines, all SAE approved, and pretty much come up with whatever number they want. Of course, I haven't verified this for myself, as I read this on another forum, so it may or may not be true.
I would strongly recommend that you guys check into the Mustang Cobra forums and ask around, as a lot of the guys there were probably around for the infamous 99-00 Cobra (or whenever it was) debacle. Maybe some of them were even involved in providing materials for the case. So definitely check Ford sites out
Good luck guys!
I would strongly recommend that you guys check into the Mustang Cobra forums and ask around, as a lot of the guys there were probably around for the infamous 99-00 Cobra (or whenever it was) debacle. Maybe some of them were even involved in providing materials for the case. So definitely check Ford sites out
Good luck guys!
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Originally posted by Chris91SE
they should owe me 100 or so in back HP
anyway good luck to you guys...from what i've seen other car owners have done this to other manufacturers w/ results...
they should owe me 100 or so in back HP
anyway good luck to you guys...from what i've seen other car owners have done this to other manufacturers w/ results...
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im willing to help out with this. i have a 03 6-spd a few months old with 3300 miles, i'll call a local shop and get a dyno done ASAP. in order for this to really work we need someone to be in charge of this, seems like dmbmax is the person for the job considering he did start the topic and contacted the lawyer. also a webpage would be a good thing to have with all the info for what people can do to help, where to send what info where. stuff like that.
oh for those who are comlaining about the gas mileage, if you want your additional 15hp dont think your going to get better gas mileage too. so its either better gas mileage or more hp, just not both.
oh for those who are comlaining about the gas mileage, if you want your additional 15hp dont think your going to get better gas mileage too. so its either better gas mileage or more hp, just not both.
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Originally posted by Chris91SE
they should owe me 100 or so in back HP
anyway good luck to you guys...from what i've seen other car owners have done this to other manufacturers w/ results...
they should owe me 100 or so in back HP
anyway good luck to you guys...from what i've seen other car owners have done this to other manufacturers w/ results...
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ok i'll try and address all the points
2003 maximas can help out just as much, dynoes run about 60-100 bucks and www.dynojet.com gives authorized places. please make sure you use a dyno jet and not a mustang dyno.
i'll do as much checking as i can but as many people that want to help and check otu other forums and post links here will be greatly appreciated
i will start to compile a webpage with links and dynoes over the next few days.
and the 6-spd and autos will both give very precise hp reading, like it's been said the 3rd gear in a auto is 1:1 BUT in teh maxima 6-spd guess waht 4th gear is 1:1 also so that's good for us too.
and anyone who wants to dyno would be greatly appreciated.
2003 maximas can help out just as much, dynoes run about 60-100 bucks and www.dynojet.com gives authorized places. please make sure you use a dyno jet and not a mustang dyno.
i'll do as much checking as i can but as many people that want to help and check otu other forums and post links here will be greatly appreciated
i will start to compile a webpage with links and dynoes over the next few days.
and the 6-spd and autos will both give very precise hp reading, like it's been said the 3rd gear in a auto is 1:1 BUT in teh maxima 6-spd guess waht 4th gear is 1:1 also so that's good for us too.
and anyone who wants to dyno would be greatly appreciated.
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hey, I asked the question on Stangnet.com on what they did. Here's the link, I just posted it so wait for responses (if they decide to help)
Stangnet Thread
Stangnet Thread
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I'm here starting the chant.. " WHAT - A - JOKE , ch , ch , ch ch ch "
any 4door sedan that is going 14.2's or whatnot, factory - i would not be complaining too much,
but then on the other hand.. if you can get something for free, i can't blame ya!
good luck boys, if you want me to dyno if that helps somehow... ?
any 4door sedan that is going 14.2's or whatnot, factory - i would not be complaining too much,
but then on the other hand.. if you can get something for free, i can't blame ya!
good luck boys, if you want me to dyno if that helps somehow... ?
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Originally posted by hlh0501
I'm here starting the chant.. " WHAT - A - JOKE , ch , ch , ch ch ch "
any 4door sedan that is going 14.2's or whatnot, factory - i would not be complaining too much,
but then on the other hand.. if you can get something for free, i can't blame ya!
good luck boys, if you want me to dyno if that helps somehow... ?
I'm here starting the chant.. " WHAT - A - JOKE , ch , ch , ch ch ch "
any 4door sedan that is going 14.2's or whatnot, factory - i would not be complaining too much,
but then on the other hand.. if you can get something for free, i can't blame ya!
good luck boys, if you want me to dyno if that helps somehow... ?
Why is ita joke that we we're cheated out of something that we all paid for?
The '99 Cobra was still very fast even with it's missing 25 rwhp. The cars were dynoing in the 260's with the bad manifolds and in the 280's with the revised ones. We are in the exact same boat as they were and we should get everything that we paid for that the sticker listed.
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Originally posted by GLE02NJ
hey, I asked the question on Stangnet.com on what they did. Here's the link, I just posted it so wait for responses (if they decide to help)
Stangnet Thread
hey, I asked the question on Stangnet.com on what they did. Here's the link, I just posted it so wait for responses (if they decide to help)
Stangnet Thread
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Originally posted by SR20DEN
Why is ita joke that we we're cheated out of something that we all paid for?
The '99 Cobra was still very fast even with it's missing 25 rwhp. The cars were dynoing in the 260's with the bad manifolds and in the 280's with the revised ones. We are in the exact same boat as they were and we should get everything that we paid for that the sticker listed.
Why is ita joke that we we're cheated out of something that we all paid for?
The '99 Cobra was still very fast even with it's missing 25 rwhp. The cars were dynoing in the 260's with the bad manifolds and in the 280's with the revised ones. We are in the exact same boat as they were and we should get everything that we paid for that the sticker listed.
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Originally posted by SteVTEC
From what I've read on other forums (Ford-related), there are actually a number of different ways that manufacturers can rate the horsepower on their engines, all SAE approved, and pretty much come up with whatever number they want. Of course, I haven't verified this for myself, as I read this on another forum, so it may or may not be true.
I
From what I've read on other forums (Ford-related), there are actually a number of different ways that manufacturers can rate the horsepower on their engines, all SAE approved, and pretty much come up with whatever number they want. Of course, I haven't verified this for myself, as I read this on another forum, so it may or may not be true.
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Originally posted by chinaonnitrous1
Hrm..i can proably dyno in california here..2k2..stock airbox now. 26000 miles.
Hrm..i can proably dyno in california here..2k2..stock airbox now. 26000 miles.
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Originally posted by dmbmaxima2k2
totally stock??? if so and you want to awesome. but i thought you had a rt cat or a catback or something.
totally stock??? if so and you want to awesome. but i thought you had a rt cat or a catback or something.
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Originally posted by chinaonnitrous1
Havent had one in 6 months now....but back the stock air box when i put my new STUPID maf in...
Havent had one in 6 months now....but back the stock air box when i put my new STUPID maf in...
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I read some of the posts about this, its seems like its a worty fight but I have a question. Would the factory installed LSD option make the 6 spd 2k2/2k3s lose a little bit of wheel horsepower? I mean nothing is free and I know some viscous type LSDs (not sure what type the 2k2s have) will lose power transfer efficeny if the fluid gets heated up under heavy use.
If you were to test this power loss theory you would have to get a pair of brand new automatic Maximas and V6 automatic Altimas, they both have the same tranny. My feeling is that if you use a 5 spd LSD non-equipped Altima compared to a 6 spd LSD equiped Maxima this might give Nissan something to fight with in the court, even though the trannies are similar; they may claim otherwise. IMO You have to say that the transmissons are EXACT or calculate the transmisson power loss ratio of the 5 spd Vs 6 spd in order for the Dyno data to hold water in court.
If you were to test this power loss theory you would have to get a pair of brand new automatic Maximas and V6 automatic Altimas, they both have the same tranny. My feeling is that if you use a 5 spd LSD non-equipped Altima compared to a 6 spd LSD equiped Maxima this might give Nissan something to fight with in the court, even though the trannies are similar; they may claim otherwise. IMO You have to say that the transmissons are EXACT or calculate the transmisson power loss ratio of the 5 spd Vs 6 spd in order for the Dyno data to hold water in court.
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I have an '03 GLE automatic stock with 1700 miles bought on 7/24/02. Is there an ideal mileage to wait until dynoing?
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Originally posted by dmbmaxima2k2
and all we would need is a better manifold to get our extra 15 hp too.
and all we would need is a better manifold to get our extra 15 hp too.
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98SE- i thought about that i don't have hlsd though, a couple other people that dynoed didn't either. auto to auto dynoes are gonna be the best BUT i thought about the numbers behind it all, nissan would have to go to court and say that the 5-spd in the altima is OVER 5% MORE EFFICIENT then the 6-spd in the maxima and that's unheard of and i don't think that would stand. also about the HLSD i BELIEVE it's different then a VLSD and the power loss inside a HLSD differential should be no more then in a regular one, i'm sure SR20 can give more and better insight on that.
and for dynoes i'd wait till around 2k miles or so, the engine is fairly broken in at 1k but it can't hurt to wait and run on fresh oil too.
and dino a recall sounds like a good idea but imagine what the scope of the recal would be, they would need a manifold and a couple gaskets for i think around 100,000 cars(do we have an exact 2k2-2k3 sales number) and then install them all, i'd love that 15hp but i think we might just end up with compensation(if anything)
and for dynoes i'd wait till around 2k miles or so, the engine is fairly broken in at 1k but it can't hurt to wait and run on fresh oil too.
and dino a recall sounds like a good idea but imagine what the scope of the recal would be, they would need a manifold and a couple gaskets for i think around 100,000 cars(do we have an exact 2k2-2k3 sales number) and then install them all, i'd love that 15hp but i think we might just end up with compensation(if anything)
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theres been a lot of discussion about this on http://www.newtiburon.com
my girlfriend has one and she has been going round and round with hyundai to get some sort of compensation. They have been offering one monthly payment rebate. She got hyundai to give her a $450 check. You probably wont be able to get them to make it better, just get something small back.
my girlfriend has one and she has been going round and round with hyundai to get some sort of compensation. They have been offering one monthly payment rebate. She got hyundai to give her a $450 check. You probably wont be able to get them to make it better, just get something small back.
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My 2K2 dynoed 194.1 hp and 205.4 lbs of torque stock. I thought this is a little low for an advertised 255hp/246 lbs torque. I have my dyno sheet and the rest of the info needed.
I emailed Steve.
I emailed Steve.
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Originally posted by Larry
My 2K2 dynoed 194.1 hp and 205.4 lbs of torque stock. I thought this is a little low for an advertised 255hp/246 lbs torque. I have my dyno sheet and the rest of the info needed.
I emailed Steve.
My 2K2 dynoed 194.1 hp and 205.4 lbs of torque stock. I thought this is a little low for an advertised 255hp/246 lbs torque. I have my dyno sheet and the rest of the info needed.
I emailed Steve.
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Originally posted by slimer
theres been a lot of discussion about this on http://www.newtiburon.com
my girlfriend has one and she has been going round and round with hyundai to get some sort of compensation. They have been offering one monthly payment rebate. She got hyundai to give her a $450 check. You probably wont be able to get them to make it better, just get something small back.
theres been a lot of discussion about this on http://www.newtiburon.com
my girlfriend has one and she has been going round and round with hyundai to get some sort of compensation. They have been offering one monthly payment rebate. She got hyundai to give her a $450 check. You probably wont be able to get them to make it better, just get something small back.
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Originally posted by Bluebird
I went on their site and couldn't find out what the deal is. Could you please elaborate?
I went on their site and couldn't find out what the deal is. Could you please elaborate?
I think that if you organized an extensive petition (which is what the new tiburon owners did) and called one of the nissan customer service or public relations offices, they would probably work on something similar.
good luck guys.
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Originally posted by Larry
My 2K2 dynoed 194.1 hp and 205.4 lbs of torque stock. I thought this is a little low for an advertised 255hp/246 lbs torque.
My 2K2 dynoed 194.1 hp and 205.4 lbs of torque stock. I thought this is a little low for an advertised 255hp/246 lbs torque.
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Originally posted by DrVolkl
Even the pathfinder makes 240, I'd like to hear Nissan's explanation on how our maxima's 3.5l makes a magic 15hp.
Even the pathfinder makes 240, I'd like to hear Nissan's explanation on how our maxima's 3.5l makes a magic 15hp.
and remember before the max came out they were saying 260hp then they tuned it down to 255, well they didn't tune it down enough.
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Originally posted by DrVolkl
cause they're doing it to the new Z and G35 as well.
cause they're doing it to the new Z and G35 as well.
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I've got a bone stock 2k2 6-Speed with 10,000 on it that I bought new late in may of 2002. You just lemme know where to dyno in the south jersey area and I'll be sending you everything you need. Gimme my 15hp... and gimme it NOW.
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Originally posted by SuDZ
I saw a few Z Dyno's at about 275 or so some even higher stock.
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I saw a few Z Dyno's at about 275 or so some even higher stock.
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Originally posted by AuxNuke
I've got a bone stock 2k2 6-Speed with 10,000 on it that I bought new late in may of 2002. You just lemme know where to dyno in the south jersey area and I'll be sending you everything you need. Gimme my 15hp... and gimme it NOW.
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I've got a bone stock 2k2 6-Speed with 10,000 on it that I bought new late in may of 2002. You just lemme know where to dyno in the south jersey area and I'll be sending you everything you need. Gimme my 15hp... and gimme it NOW.
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update:
heres a link I found:http://www.bonforums.com/mustang/cob...lems072301.htm
That was the outcome of the Mustang case. I am still looking for more.
heres a link I found:http://www.bonforums.com/mustang/cob...lems072301.htm
That was the outcome of the Mustang case. I am still looking for more.