Axle won't go in all the way
#1
Axle won't go in all the way
I've got about 1/2 inch gap between the back of the CV joint at the top of the driver's side axle and the transmission on the driver's side. Greased the splines with synthetic moly grease and checked that the old snap ring was out. It's a 5 speed open diff.
Been beating on the end of the axle (with the old axle nut on the threads) using a 4 pound sledge but I don't want to do any damage to it.
Any tips / tricks on getting this in? The strut is still installed, hypothetically I could take it off and that would allow me to straighten the axle and hammer on it without a bend... Worth the effort?
By the time I'm done my threads will be a step-by-step guide for the tie rods and axles sheesh. Thanks for all the help so far, you guys are life savers.
Been beating on the end of the axle (with the old axle nut on the threads) using a 4 pound sledge but I don't want to do any damage to it.
Any tips / tricks on getting this in? The strut is still installed, hypothetically I could take it off and that would allow me to straighten the axle and hammer on it without a bend... Worth the effort?
By the time I'm done my threads will be a step-by-step guide for the tie rods and axles sheesh. Thanks for all the help so far, you guys are life savers.
#3
The driver's axle should pop in place without needing a hammer. Put some extra grease on the end to hold the lock ring in place and center it on the axle as best you can, then firmly shove the axle into the transmission. If it doesn't go in, rotate it a little and try again or try rotating as you push it into the transmission to line up the threads.
#6
Rotating slightly can make all the difference.
Perhaps the splines in the trans and in the shaft were lined up, rather than next to each other.
So one could pound all day and get no where. yes by rotating slighty, the splines could slip by each other.
In general, if something should fit, but wont, consider moving something slightly, or change your approach a bit.
Perhaps the splines in the trans and in the shaft were lined up, rather than next to each other.
So one could pound all day and get no where. yes by rotating slighty, the splines could slip by each other.
In general, if something should fit, but wont, consider moving something slightly, or change your approach a bit.
#7
Here are some pictures and a question to verify you have the seal properly seated.
1) First picture. I can't tell from the picture if the seal part that shows to be sticking out from the transmission case is the outer ring in the seal or the lip that should stick out.
Do I see a pinch or what looks like the seal may be in a bind or is not fully seated in the transmission case?
The red arrow points to a raised area on the seal that I'm questioning
Here's a seal picture from an automatic with VLSD. This is a much larger seal than the seal you are using. You can see how the outer diameter sits flush with the outer area on the transmission casing. The outer diameter of the seal ring should not stick out from the transmission casing.
What seal part number did you use?
1) First picture. I can't tell from the picture if the seal part that shows to be sticking out from the transmission case is the outer ring in the seal or the lip that should stick out.
Do I see a pinch or what looks like the seal may be in a bind or is not fully seated in the transmission case?
The red arrow points to a raised area on the seal that I'm questioning
Here's a seal picture from an automatic with VLSD. This is a much larger seal than the seal you are using. You can see how the outer diameter sits flush with the outer area on the transmission casing. The outer diameter of the seal ring should not stick out from the transmission casing.
What seal part number did you use?
#8
Didn't you say you replaced the race, bearings and seal? If so, maybe they aren't seated all the way in. (race and bearings) I don't know what the differences are between Auto, Manual, Auto VLSD or Manual VLSD races, bearings and seals, hopefully the appropriate ones are in. And if not, the driver's side is where the differences are.
Just tossing it out there in case you can't find any other reason. I'll be doing mine in a few days after I decide which I'm going to buy. I think I read Raxles doesn't rebuild OEM anymore. Damn. The rest are different levels of ______, IMO.
I hope this helps.
And Dennis is a wealth of knowledge and experience. Maybe he's saying it like it is.
I look forward to your success!
Edit: I see CS_AR also suggested bearing and seal part numbers!
Just tossing it out there in case you can't find any other reason. I'll be doing mine in a few days after I decide which I'm going to buy. I think I read Raxles doesn't rebuild OEM anymore. Damn. The rest are different levels of ______, IMO.
I hope this helps.
And Dennis is a wealth of knowledge and experience. Maybe he's saying it like it is.
I look forward to your success!
Edit: I see CS_AR also suggested bearing and seal part numbers!
Last edited by KP11520; 03-04-2017 at 06:51 PM.
#9
Didn't you say you replaced the race, bearings and seal? If so, maybe they aren't seated all the way in. (race and bearings) I don't know what the differences are between Auto, Manual, Auto VLSD or Manual VLSD races, bearings and seals, hopefully the appropriate ones are in. And if not, the driver's side is where the differences are.
I recall the inner CV joint "can" (not sure what that thing is called) as being flush to the transmission when I started. If someone had a picture of what it looks like correctly seated that would be most useful. Should have done that myself!
The seals that I bought were the one's recommended by DennisMik... I referenced it in this post - here's the spec:
Had to buy a new left side seal as I had purchased the wrong one.
#11
If the snap ring is on the axle like it is supposed to be, then you should not be able to pull the axle out with a light force. When properly seated, it takes a pretty good force to pull it out.
#12
#13
If you can't get it in and it's not in after trying what Dennis said, Take it back out and put it right next to the one that came out and see if there are any minute differences!
The list of possibilities is getting near the end.
Good luck!
The list of possibilities is getting near the end.
Good luck!
#14
I tugged on it with a fair amount of force twice and it didn't move at all. I think it's good. Had it sitting next to the original axle earlier in order to transfer the dust boot - definitely no differences.
Thanks so much for the help! There's no way I could do this without it.
#15
Here are some pictures and a question to verify you have the seal properly seated.
1) First picture. I can't tell from the picture if the seal part that shows to be sticking out from the transmission case is the outer ring in the seal or the lip that should stick out.
Do I see a pinch or what looks like the seal may be in a bind or is not fully seated in the transmission case?
The red arrow points to a raised area on the seal that I'm questioning
Here's a seal picture from an automatic with VLSD. This is a much larger seal than the seal you are using. You can see how the outer diameter sits flush with the outer area on the transmission casing.
1) First picture. I can't tell from the picture if the seal part that shows to be sticking out from the transmission case is the outer ring in the seal or the lip that should stick out.
Do I see a pinch or what looks like the seal may be in a bind or is not fully seated in the transmission case?
The red arrow points to a raised area on the seal that I'm questioning
Here's a seal picture from an automatic with VLSD. This is a much larger seal than the seal you are using. You can see how the outer diameter sits flush with the outer area on the transmission casing.
#16
I've installed countless drive shafts. Usually they take a bit of persuasion to get locked into place. Sometimes they don't look seated; a good tug will let you know if it is in correctly.
My cousin recently had a similar issue with a re manufactured shaft. The splines were damaged and the re manufacturer tried to repair it by filing it. After many failed attempts to install it we disassembled the outer CV joint and swapped it with the original. Went in perfectly the first time.
My cousin recently had a similar issue with a re manufactured shaft. The splines were damaged and the re manufacturer tried to repair it by filing it. After many failed attempts to install it we disassembled the outer CV joint and swapped it with the original. Went in perfectly the first time.
#17
Was it right
my axle is sitting the same way right now regardless of all the banging I do. Was this picture with the gold ring out correct? Is that how its supposed to sit or is the gold supposed to go inside? Please I'm suffering here. Your the only person to mention it. Thank you in advance!!
#22
my axle is sitting the same way right now regardless of all the banging I do. Was this picture with the gold ring out correct? Is that how its supposed to sit or is the gold supposed to go inside? Please I'm suffering here. Your the only person to mention it. Thank you in advance!!
Sorry I didn't see this until now, I don't frequent these boards. My axle *was* seated correctly, I tested it by giving the axle a slight tug. Once it locks in place it's much more difficult to remove; you may have had some difficulty removing it from the transmission. Hopefully this helps someone else in the future!
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