shadyonedeath

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Problem solved.


Started removing control arms for replacement...ran into this problem.

I didnt bother removing the axle nut because 1) the nut in the pictures is rusted/fused to the bolt and 2) Even a 19mm wrench stripped/rounded the nut.




So i attempted to cut it, I used a saw-zaw on the bottom end, where there was more clearance, and I didnt realize until after, that the bolt got thicker as it traveled down. Now im trying to cut the top, with little space, and its become a obstacle I am unaware how to tackle. I'm running out of blades...

Any ideas? Im guessing my only options are:
1) remove axle, grind it with a grinder.
2) get new wheel hub...god knows where for how much.

ShocknAwe

iTrader: (3)

Looks like a torch some pb blaster and a chisel are going to help out. Lots of people use a chisel to loosen a stripped injector screw. In the future, since you obviously have problems with rust, spray pb liberally and then torch it for a few mins then go at it. BTW a cut-off wheel works better on nuts/bolts than a SAWZALL

shadyonedeath

iTrader: (10)

cut off wheel dont fit...

nitromax

looks like you need to go ahead and remove the spindle from the car so you can have better shot at removing the rest of that ball joint.

CMax03

iTrader: (3)

Wow Pivot joint???? Apparently you need to familiarize yourself with car parts while you read your maintenance manual!

shadyonedeath

iTrader: (10)

Okay?

Apparently you're a douche!

Rods03Max619

iTrader: (5)

Damn man that looks like a B1tch, but if I was you I would take axle out and hit it with the grinder to get it off, Good Luck Man...

DennisMik

iTrader: (2)

What you need is a nut splitter tool.

http://www.google.com/products/catal...d=0CHUQ8wIwAA#

eddie982

iTrader: (10)

LMFAO!!! Funniest post I've seen here in quite some time, lol

99greddymax

iTrader: (7)

air chisel will have that out in .2 sec's...


or

http://www.cdxetextbook.com/images/c...flatChisel.jpg

with a bfh

SteveB123

iTrader: (2)

Sawzall off the top portion, as you did the lower.
Use a punch to drive UP the part remaining in the housing.

njmaxseltd

iTrader: (19)

1) you should have taken the axle out so you had room to work.
2) looking at the corrosion, heat was your only option.
3) Get an Acetylene touch, heat the nut till it glows red and it would have come off like butter.

The joint is tapered, it will never push up from the bottom.
Step away from the vehicle and do some research or let a mechanic finish the job for you.
With the right equipment, the ball joint removal would have been a 5 minute job.

Nealoc187

iTrader: (23)

why have you been attempting all this crap without removing the axle? you've kind of painted yourself into a corner now.

remove the damn axle first. cut it off with a cut off wheel if you have one. heat the **** out of the knuckle with a torch, air hammer straight down on the remains of the ball joint and i bet you get it out. nut splitter would probably have worked too, as would a cutting torch, as would a sacrifice socket.

or you could just go pick up another steering knuckle for like $50.

the word is "sawzall" by the way, because it "saws all things". that joint is the ball joint.

SteveB123

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Damn, you're right.
Axle must come out.

shadyonedeath

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because when SEARCHING, many people said you did NOT need to take the axle off. Lots of mis-information on here then...because one of them was also a moderator.

shadyonedeath

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Got that ***** out. +1 for the .org. Thanks guys, now for the other side! :P

Anyone install suspension components without a torque wrench? How'd that go? Also, the alignment place will adjust my inner tie to tie rod end, right? To proper specs?

asand1

iTrader: (1)

1 Its called a saws all
2 Its called a ball joint
3 Never use an open end wrench on a rusted and tight bolt.
4 Always remove the axle first and use a SIX point socket.
5 Ball joints are tapered
6 heat is your friend, but not you CV boots friend
7 Spend more time studying any particular aspect before attempting repairs.
8 It's not a wheel hub, its a steering knuckle.


No sir, you are a douche. Its people like you that perpetuate the opinion the "only mechanics should work on cars". If you cant take some constructive criticism, don't fukc your car up and then tell us about it. Ask for help before you start and dont take shortcuts untill you have some experience under yout belt.

ChrisMan287

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J2FRESH

iTrader: (8)

hahaha ^^


FWIW, everyones a DOUCHE the end


Hey Alfonso glad you got that problem solved

MAXIMA_STYLE

iTrader: (21)

ive changed my balljoints 2 weeks ago without removing my axle...i took the entire strut assembly out and loosened the balljoint nut with vice grips and a 16 oz hammer first then a BALL JOINT SEPERATOR to free the shaft.up then banged it down enough to remove the nut...afterwards a BALL JOINT PRESS becomes your friend...just sayin.. its easier if.you have the right tools to start... i been.down that road before and.it sucks having to search for something to "make work". just research more beforehand is all people are sayin...glad you got.it fixed tho

Nealoc187

iTrader: (23)

there's tons of misinformation on this forum. i see it posted every day. i try to correct it when i have the time/inclination but it is posted faster than people can correct it.

vilmaxima

There is also a C clip or ring, or whatever its called holding the bottom of the balljoint against the control arm IIRC, no one mentioned that. Now u probably should post how you resolved the problem to help others in the future.

asand1

iTrader: (1)

Where was I talking trash? And who's an elitist here? Just trying to help with proper names and procedures.

You mad?

ShocknAwe

iTrader: (3)

oh goodness this progressed pretty far since I posted lol. For future readers, a torch should be in your tool box as well as some sort of penetrating product(lol) to spray on before you even start. A ball joint is just a pain to remove with hand tools but its not impossible

shadyonedeath

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Hows it looking? I found bought a Snap on torque wrench but the lowest it goes is 50ft/lbs. It was useful for the larger 22mm bolts, ball joint and inner/outer tie rod, but not so much for the end link.


This helped.
Anything appear TOO tight?

Maximeltman

iTrader: (11)

This is off topic but...I love pics of new suspension hardware on a Maxima LOL

ShocknAwe

iTrader: (3)

Damn how much that snap on torque wrench cost you if you dont mind me asking?

shadyonedeath

iTrader: (10)

It like this one at 10:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTIePKbH3hY

So..back to the pics. Do my ball joints appear too tight?

ShocknAwe

iTrader: (3)

link for this $150 snap on torque wrench? I ask because I paid $114 for my normal ratcheting 3/8" wrench. and yes they appear to tight

shadyonedeath

iTrader: (10)

it was locally, 2nd hand.



Can any of this be adjusted by my aligment place? Like the fine-tuning of torque specs? As for the ball joints, if I loosen them up any more, the nut can just travel/spin with hand tightening...So thats why I kept going. Maybe this tool isn't so great.

Thanks for the help!

ShocknAwe

iTrader: (3)

ahh I see. A new one is about $300 lol thats why I asked. Yea it looks waaaay to tight. I would assume the pin should sit in that nut tight

shadyonedeath

iTrader: (10)

so is that a correct method of tightening it? So the castle nut posts fit in line with the cotter pin hole? Ill loosen it up tomorrow when I rent a more useful torque wrench. I did the driver side also, was a PIA too, same seized ball joint; grinder took care of it.

Time for a shower. Thanks for the help guys.

ShocknAwe

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I dont know for a fact but it would appear that way. Not many ball joint installs under my belt and none on a maxi pad. I know the boot shouldn't be bent like that,as it will tear more easily. Loosen it just enough to where the boot isn't crushed like that and see where you are. With the cotter pin, its not going anywhere anyways. THe bolt is merely to hold it in place so it doesn't move and allows smooth movement for the rotor assembly as intended

shadyonedeath

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thanks broski

GGENIUS

iTrader: (1)

just a question but have you ever used a torque wrench before? reason i ask is because some of them take the right amount of finesse to hear the audible click telling you the torque spec is reached. and if youre trying to spin the wrench too hard youll miss the click.

shadyonedeath

iTrader: (10)

Believe me, there is no audible sound when using it around 50ft/lbs. It just keeps torquing the ball joints, which is why they seem so squished. If I leveraged the torque wrench on the rotor, while torquing, It only took a tiny bit of effort to hear the click.

Im still trying to figure out if I should back off those castle nuts and just set them so the castle bridges sit right over the cotter pin hole.

ShocknAwe

iTrader: (3)

It probably never clicked because It was already past 50ft/lbs? I would loosen it up before you tear that new boot

iDuty

I could be mistaken but...

The ball join shaft has a tapered fit into the knuckle. How can overtightening the castle nut make it move in much farther than it can? Unless the knuckle splits. The taper is not so slight, IIRC. It seats where it will, you can't adjust the position.

Overtightening the castle nut could make separating the ball joint from the knuckle difficult the next time around.

shadyonedeath

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its all good, i had the alignment shop check it out and they said everything clears torque specs.

Thanks for the help! I'm enjoying my new firm steering.