3rd gear scrapes/grinds when shifting!!! HELP!!!
01-28-2011, 10:23 PM
#1
3rd gear scrapes/grinds when shifting!!! HELP!!!
I have a 98 Maxima 5 speed. Sometimes, "NOT EVERYTIME", when I shift into 3rd gear it feels like a scraping/grinding sound, I feel it in my shift ****. I noticed this problem last night and its been happening a little bit more frequently now. For example, today I drove the car and shifting into 3rd was not a problem, no grinding/scraping or nothing but, after 15 min. of driving it WOULD scrape/grind when going into 3rd. Do you guys think it's friction wear in the gears, low gear oil, shift linkage, or is it my shifting???
01-28-2011, 10:45 PM
#2
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You would have to give us more information. No point in us throwing out guesses is there? Not really sure why everyone seems to want guesses on this forum (or feel the need to give theirs).
What happens:
If you match the engine and shift?
Is the problem variable based on RPM, speed, or which gears you are shifting from or to?
Have you checked the fluid level in your clutch reservoir?
Has the pedal's shift point shifted or gotten softer?
When was the last time you properly serviced the transmission assembly?
Is there feedback/push-back or just the scrape/grind sound.
How consistent are these problems? Is it always 15min after you start driving? Can you reliably replicate the issue?
What happens:
If you match the engine and shift?
Is the problem variable based on RPM, speed, or which gears you are shifting from or to?
Have you checked the fluid level in your clutch reservoir?
Has the pedal's shift point shifted or gotten softer?
When was the last time you properly serviced the transmission assembly?
Is there feedback/push-back or just the scrape/grind sound.
How consistent are these problems? Is it always 15min after you start driving? Can you reliably replicate the issue?
01-29-2011, 08:42 AM
#3
You would have to give us more information. No point in us throwing out guesses is there? Not really sure why everyone seems to want guesses on this forum (or feel the need to give theirs).
What happens:
If you match the engine and shift?
Is the problem variable based on RPM, speed, or which gears you are shifting from or to?
Have you checked the fluid level in your clutch reservoir?
Has the pedal's shift point shifted or gotten softer?
When was the last time you properly serviced the transmission assembly?
Is there feedback/push-back or just the scrape/grind sound.
How consistent are these problems? Is it always 15min after you start driving? Can you reliably replicate the issue?
What happens:
If you match the engine and shift?
Is the problem variable based on RPM, speed, or which gears you are shifting from or to?
Have you checked the fluid level in your clutch reservoir?
Has the pedal's shift point shifted or gotten softer?
When was the last time you properly serviced the transmission assembly?
Is there feedback/push-back or just the scrape/grind sound.
How consistent are these problems? Is it always 15min after you start driving? Can you reliably replicate the issue?
If you match the engine and shift?
ANS: Yes
Is the problem variable based on RPM, speed, or which gears you are shifting from or to?
ANS: Both RPM and speed after driving 15-20 min. From 2nd to 3rd.
Have you checked the fluid level in your clutch reservoir?
ANS: Yes, clutch fluid resevoir is at proper level.
Has the pedal's shift point shifted or gotten softer?
ANS: No.
When was the last time you properly serviced the transmission assembly?
ANS: I did a 5 speed swap, I bought the tranny from a guy who had a wrecked 97 5 speed Maxima and he said the tranny was in good working order with no problems. I only had the tranny for little over a month now since I did the swap.
Is there feedback/push-back or just the scrape/grind sound.
ANS: Sometimes @ high RPM when I shift into 3rd gear, its like I hit a wall! I will have to go into neutral and get back into 3rd gear. If Im not hitting a wall its a scrape/grind sound but again, thats after driving 15-20 min.
How consistent are these problems? Is it always 15min after you start driving? Can you reliably replicate the issue?
ANS: Sometimes. More frequently since the other night after driving 15-20 min. After driving 15-20 min. it pretty much scrapes almost everytime when I shift into 3rd gear.
01-29-2011, 11:41 AM
#5
Sounds like classic worn/going out synchros to me. 3rd gear synchros are common to be the first to wear out. Not sure what you want anybody to tell you..
Even with worn synchros, you should be able to do a slight rev-match into the 3rd gear shift to extend the tranny life a bit
Even with worn synchros, you should be able to do a slight rev-match into the 3rd gear shift to extend the tranny life a bit
01-29-2011, 03:46 PM
#7
01-30-2011, 08:41 AM
#10
How many miles were on the tranny?
01-30-2011, 09:10 AM
#12
You may get your smooth shifts back, I did.
http://forums.maxima.org/4th-generat...gl-4-dino.html
01-30-2011, 10:48 AM
#13
Dump the 3/4/5 that crap does not work in the 4th gen max, no matter what some parts jockley tells you. Read the thread I posted below. ask for it by part #. If you ask for GL4 the jackhole behind the counter will scratch his head or tell you it doesnt exist. the Red line stuff works well too, If you want to pay for it.
You may get your smooth shifts back, I did.
http://forums.maxima.org/4th-generat...gl-4-dino.html
You may get your smooth shifts back, I did.
http://forums.maxima.org/4th-generat...gl-4-dino.html
01-30-2011, 09:42 PM
#14
I checked the gear oil in the tranny by putting a thin long stick (tree branch) in the speed sensor hole, it turned out I was running low on gear oil. I added some Napa gear oil that I had (about 1/2 qt.) to the tranny, I will be adding another quart tomorrow because it needs some more (NAPA was closed). I drove it for awhile and NO scrape/grind in 3rd gear
. I will keep you guys posted.
. I will keep you guys posted.
01-31-2011, 09:14 AM
#15
I checked the gear oil in the tranny by putting a thin long stick (tree branch) in the speed sensor hole, it turned out I was running low on gear oil. I added some Napa gear oil that I had (about 1/2 qt.) to the tranny, I will be adding another quart tomorrow because it needs some more (NAPA was closed). I drove it for awhile and NO scrape/grind in 3rd gear. I will keep you guys posted.
. I will keep you guys posted.
01-31-2011, 09:18 AM
#16
You are stuck in a gear. when in neutral you are in one gear. when the shifter is moved into a gear location you trans is in two gears. When in two gears at the same time the car will not move and the engine will stall when u lift the clutch pedal.
01-31-2011, 11:02 AM
#19
well this answers a question about the tranny in my integra. HA!
I never knew that if you used 3/4/5 napa oil in a maxi tranny, that it would be such BS..
thats odd.. I learned something new today.
I never knew that if you used 3/4/5 napa oil in a maxi tranny, that it would be such BS..
thats odd.. I learned something new today.
01-31-2011, 12:58 PM
#20
Question, to drain the gear oil from the tranny, do I have to unscrew the fill plug first then unscrew the drain plug? Or can I just unscrew the drain plug and dump the GL-4 gear oil in the speed sensor hole?
02-01-2011, 05:06 AM
#22
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Do not use the sensor plugggg!!! there is a separate drain by the shifter linkage look it up in the fsm it will show you where its located. The problem with using the sensor to drain is that it can cause the spring loaded conection piece to the sensor plug to fall out. which you wont notice. It will throw a code and cause your reverse lights to not work. Drain the old fluid and use royal purple. trust me ive tried everything else royal purple has a much smoother feel to it and has better protection. Its like 17 bucks a quart at autozone and you will need 5 quarts. i know its expensive but it still beats replacing a tranny.
02-01-2011, 05:07 AM
#23
I would unscrew the fill plug first. It will drain much easier. The drain plug is the best location to drain the transmission fluid. I would choose to drain here if at all possible. However, these older 4th gens usually have drain plugs that are pretty torn up and, unless you have the time and patience to figure a way to remove and replace with a new one, many opt to use the sensor as a drain location. A word of caution: The sensor is made of plastic, plastic ages, you must be very cautious when removing it. Even so, breaking the sensor happens. Your car will be out of commission for a day or two waiting for the new one from SouthPoint (DaveB) to come in. It's about 30 bucks. Also, make sure the sensor is flush when reinstalling otherwise you're going to snap the fastening tab when you tighten the bolt. Good luck!
02-01-2011, 10:05 AM
#24
No, you guys misunderstood me. I use the speed sensor hole to put the new GL-4 gear oil inside the tranny, not to drain it. I know the drain plug is next to the shift linkage and I don't want to break the fill hole bolt(the one where you use a 1/2" ratchet) because i tried using a breaker bar and it didn't even wanna budge. So I'm not fooling with it! TRUST ME, I'M VERY CAREFUL WITH THAT SPEED SENSOR!!!
My question is, can I use the drain plug (next to the shift linkage) to drain the gear oil and use the speed sensor hole to fill the tranny with gear oil?
My question is, can I use the drain plug (next to the shift linkage) to drain the gear oil and use the speed sensor hole to fill the tranny with gear oil?
02-01-2011, 10:12 AM
#25
Do not use the sensor plugggg!!! there is a separate drain by the shifter linkage look it up in the fsm it will show you where its located. The problem with using the sensor to drain is that it can cause the spring loaded conection piece to the sensor plug to fall out. which you wont notice. It will throw a code and cause your reverse lights to not work. Drain the old fluid and use royal purple. trust me ive tried everything else royal purple has a much smoother feel to it and has better protection. Its like 17 bucks a quart at autozone and you will need 5 quarts. i know its expensive but it still beats replacing a tranny.
Thx but, Hell to the NO!!!! I will stick with Napa, they sell a gallon (4qts) of pure GL-4 gear oil for $26 bucks.
02-01-2011, 12:03 PM
#26
No, you guys misunderstood me. I use the speed sensor hole to put the new GL-4 gear oil inside the tranny, not to drain it. I know the drain plug is next to the shift linkage and I don't want to break the fill hole bolt(the one where you use a 1/2" ratchet) because i tried using a breaker bar and it didn't even wanna budge. So I'm not fooling with it! TRUST ME, I'M VERY CAREFUL WITH THAT SPEED SENSOR!!! My question is, can I use the drain plug (next to the shift linkage) to drain the gear oil and use the speed sensor hole to fill the tranny with gear oil?
My question is, can I use the drain plug (next to the shift linkage) to drain the gear oil and use the speed sensor hole to fill the tranny with gear oil?
06-03-2013, 05:02 PM
#27
Bumpin this one... I dunno if his issue was resolved but I got 2-3 crunch under hard acceleration. If I try to get into 3rd above 4k rpm clutch fully in it'll crunch otherwise all good. Downshift is all good, I rev match almost all the time.
the tranny had been resealed with new bearings and axles put in 2 years ago, warranty was only for 1 year, could i have low gear oil? I really hope its not the gear
the tranny had been resealed with new bearings and axles put in 2 years ago, warranty was only for 1 year, could i have low gear oil? I really hope its not the gear
06-04-2013, 11:48 PM
#28
Originally Posted by carsnwomen91
Bumpin this one... I dunno if his issue was resolved but I got 2-3 crunch under hard acceleration. If I try to get into 3rd above 4k rpm clutch fully in it'll crunch otherwise all good. Downshift is all good, I rev match almost all the time.
the tranny had been resealed with new bearings and axles put in 2 years ago, warranty was only for 1 year, could i have low gear oil? I really hope its not the gear
the tranny had been resealed with new bearings and axles put in 2 years ago, warranty was only for 1 year, could i have low gear oil? I really hope its not the gear
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06-07-2013, 05:56 PM
#30
Amzoil has one but I do not know the name. Oriely has Master Pro GL4 140 I am running it with good results. Shifting is stiff in the morning though.
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