HID's - Page 2

MorpheusZero · 09-10-2009, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by aackshun

Nope, but I have a test on it Friday, which I'm going to fail but I have bronchitis, so I'mma try to get it rescheduled, that will be legit...

Okay.

The only power regulation of the fogs is the fog fuse (which can easily be changed out to a bigger one). The A32 is not sophisticated enough to monitor the current to the fogs, let alone regulate it.

Mistertones · 09-10-2009, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael01127

i just finally bought my own first maxima
it is a 1997.
its like a teal color a green with a tint of blue mixed.
and i wanted to get some hid's. i was thinking of doing Yellow in my fogs and a light blue in my headlights. but to be honest i dont know much at all about HID's!
So basically i am not sure what to look for or where to look for it.
So im asking if anyone can recommend what ones i should pick up?

Yellow in fogs - Light blue in Heads

I got 6000k HIDS, with 2500 Nokya Yellow Fogs, Aimed the lights all the way down. Never gotten high beamed by other drivers.

aackshun · 09-10-2009, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MorpheusZero

Okay.

The only power regulation of the fogs is the fog fuse (which can easily be changed out to a bigger one). The A32 is not sophisticated enough to monitor the current to the fogs, let alone regulate it.

Sweet, wanna take my engg physics test on friday? (not trying to sound like an *** either, i'm really gonna fail it)

mightyMax95 · 09-10-2009, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by aackshun

wtf! I edited my statement!

haha, dat's why i's hiding.

Michael01127 · 09-10-2009, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mistertones

I got 6000k HIDS, with 2500 Nokya Yellow Fogs, Aimed the lights all the way down. Never gotten high beamed by other drivers.

so you ddnt get a retro fit or anything just threw some hids in the housing and aimed low?

Michael01127 · 09-10-2009, 01:47 AM

also, no hid kit for your fogs? just threw some bulbs in it and called it a day?
any problems with it yet?i noticed your H3's run on 70w which is a little better than 100w

showdown · 09-10-2009, 05:43 AM

u dont need to retro fit anything...thats a pain in the butt...i put hid mains and hid fogs and i can see everything...light output is awesome...u just gotta get a good set of hids...or build ur own set...as in get well built ballasts from one company and well built bulbs from another company...theyre all universal so itll work

Coolsaber57 · 09-10-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by showdown

u dont need to retro fit anything...thats a pain in the butt...i put hid mains and hid fogs and i can see everything...light output is awesome...u just gotta get a good set of hids...or build ur own set...as in get well built ballasts from one company and well built bulbs from another company...theyre all universal so itll work

No. You're blinding people. That's dangerous, and Cops will pull you over.

OP: Basically, if you want HIDs build or have a retrofit built. Otherwise you're just putting others in danger.

tigersharkdude · 09-10-2009, 11:47 AM

I think you are just reading most of this wrong:
headlights, people recommend doing a retro for reasons stated
fog: they are telling you to get normal H3 bulbs(not hid), and get 55w bulbs not 100w and put them in there.
others are telling you to get an hid kit and put them in your fogs. fogs dont need an hid kit in them if you want them to be yellow, all you need is yellow bulbs. BUT if you want hids you have to get a kit, you have to have all pieces to make a kit work

Michael01127 · 09-10-2009, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tigersharkdude

I think you are just reading most of this wrong:
headlights, people recommend doing a retro for reasons stated
fog: they are telling you to get normal H3 bulbs(not hid), and get 55w bulbs not 100w and put them in there.
others are telling you to get an hid kit and put them in your fogs. fogs dont need an hid kit in them if you want them to be yellow, all you need is yellow bulbs. BUT if you want hids you have to get a kit, you have to have all pieces to make a kit work

thank you you made it clearer for me

so 55w is the bulb to get? and it will make yellow fog lights.
& it is reccomended that i get a projector retor fitted before i get hid's but is not 100% needed?

Coolsaber57 · 09-10-2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael01127

thank you you made it clearer for me

so 55w is the bulb to get? and it will make yellow fog lights.
& it is reccomended that i get a projector retor fitted before i get hid's but is not 100% needed?

It's needed if you want to be safe on the road and don't like tickets.

Srsly, don't get them if you're not going to retrofit. IMO, cars w/ HIDs in stock housings look ricey. Especially if you're going to get a color temp other than 4300k.

Michael01127 · 09-10-2009, 12:20 PM

before projector retro fitting was invented.. what did people do thenn?
i dont understand the big deal? it seems like the projector retro fit is more for a cosmetic look, i dont think cops would be that serious about it if i dont have a projector..??

aackshun · 09-10-2009, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael01127

before projector retro fitting was invented.. what did people do thenn?
i dont understand the big deal? it seems like the projector retro fit is more for a cosmetic look, i dont think cops would be that serious about it if i dont have a projector..??

Cosmetic and safety, the stock housing don't properly reflect HID light well, you WILL lose light output and glare people, it may not be as bad if you have them pointed all the way down, but you WILL glare people when they pass you.

Also say good bye to having useful high beams.

As for cops? It really depends on where you live.... For example... When I'm in Houston, I'm usually in two places... In the city or in Sugar Land, two very different types of cops.

In the city w/ HPD I get away with having just my rear license plate, even when they try to laser me, also with half my crap expired too (I stay away from u-turns under highways though, that's when they're looking only for my inspection/registration).
In Sugar Land, it's a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT situation with the cops there. It's a suburb and SLPD is obviously very, very, bored. I was only in Houston/Sugar Land for 3 weeks this year and got pulled over 4 times by SLPD for not having the front license plate, also SLPD gave my buddy crap for his 4300K in his mustang's housings, they said it was "too blue", which is complete bullcrap, he wanted to argue but couldn't risk a roadside inspection due to his... other... mods. I have many more stories from the SLPD, FBCSD officers wasting my time.

Sparknotess:
HPD (Houston Police Dept.) = cool.
SLPD (Sugar Land Police Dept.) = gay.

It all depends on the cops in your area, I know up here in Manhattan the idiots with HIDS in their housings are a dime-a-dozen and RCPD, KS-Troopers, RCSD, KSUPD don't pull them over, they're way too busy pulling over kids on their bicycles, and setting up speed traps on I-70 and KS-177.

Cops in Manhattan, KS = cool.

If you want HIDS do a retrofit.
If you want yellow fogs, buy regular H3 3000K bulbs (55w to be on the safe side, but I have yet to hear of someone burning their insulation up with running 100W)

Hey can someone post up that crude drawing of what having a projector vs. hid lights in a non hid housing? I saw it in a sticky somewhere, someone drew up a quick explanation in ms-paint about why using projectors are the best way to go. Maybe that will help this guy learn, pictures are always awesome.

MorpheusZero · 09-10-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael01127

before projector retro fitting was invented.. what did people do thenn?
i dont understand the big deal? it seems like the projector retro fit is more for a cosmetic look, i dont think cops would be that serious about it if i dont have a projector..??

I don't even know where to start. "Inventing" a projector retrofit? They have had projectors for a long time, hell I've got a (factory) set in my '87 BMW. What they did in 2000 was design a projector or reflector housing around the D2S/D2R light output pattern instead of stick HID bulbs into halogen housings.

For what it's worth, I have never been pulled over for my headlights, and I ran retrofits (now on tigersharkdude's car) for a good 2 years. And even if you wouldn't get pulled over, HIDs in stock housings look tacky. Just don't do it.

tigersharkdude · 09-10-2009, 03:46 PM

one thing you are probably getting confused on is ppl saying you need a retro in stock housings. they are referring to headlights not fogs

Dave H. · 09-10-2009, 04:00 PM

An example of the halogen yellow H3 foglights you could get.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Lumin...Q5fAccessories

I currently use these and love the output over regular h3 bulbs.

Coolsaber57 · 09-10-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael01127

before projector retro fitting was invented.. what did people do thenn?
i dont understand the big deal? it seems like the projector retro fit is more for a cosmetic look, i dont think cops would be that serious about it if i dont have a projector..??

Dude, come on, you have to actually READ our responses. Where did anyone say that the projector retrofit was cosmetic? You can make it look good, but it's just a part of doing a retrofit since you don't want it to look like crap.

Here's an example of the output of a civic with HIDs:

An example of the projector's light output:

Notice how there's no light above a certain point? That's good. That means all the HID output is being focused forwards and downwards towards the road, so you can see.

Michael01127 · 09-10-2009, 06:33 PM

alright I understand it all, it's just i really wanted hid's asap and couldn't afford to spend hundreds on a retrofit right away.
i do understand that the retorfit aims it and focuses the light at a certain point not to blind others its just i didnt think not having it retrofit was such a big deal seeing how tons of people go to my local shop and just get hid's installed into their factory housings daily with no projector retrofit.

I guess ill hold off on the hid's

and wait until i can afford an expensive retrofit so i can finally get them

fergie · 09-10-2009, 08:57 PM

save yourself and get "real" osram ultras 9004...and then get osram nightbreakers h3 for the fogs....amazing upgrade over stock for under 50 bucks and similar hod color and temp look on ebay

aackshun · 09-10-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fergie

save yourself and get "real" osram ultras 9004...and then get osram nightbreakers h3 for the fogs....amazing upgrade over stock for under 50 bucks and similar hod color and temp look on ebay

Honestly good halogen bulbs in our stock housing works just fine, I have sylvania sumfins in my car now and they work great on these Kansan back roads.

But of course nothing does compare to a retrofit, but if you're on a budget just get good bulbs for your stock housings, it's definitely worth it, and a little bit easier than the 9004-9007 conversion.

Michael01127 · 09-10-2009, 09:25 PM

yea im going ot take all of your advice and look into getting a retro fit.. just need to buy 1 now going to start saving up...
until then ill probly just stick to what i have and maybe just throw some regular non hid yellow fogs in

max2envy98 · 09-11-2009, 08:45 AM

Wow, This thread got crazy... Honestly before the retro fit idea (which is a good one) people put hid's in any housing and went on there way.. I mean some cars today come with hid's and no projectors.. I personally dont think its a must for hid's. In fact unless its a ridiculas dark colored blue or purple (which is usless) I think that a 6k should work just fine in a factory housing ... and it doesnt look trashy lol ... I mean I read something about trashy and something about the range or something..

I really dont think that when driving by a cop or by a club at night that the comments will be, "wow those hid's look trashy and check out the way there projecting light eww", lmao

and lastly if installed correctly pointing downwards, so that there not blinding other drivers. and your able to see the road . the cops wont say anything to you or people wont get blinded . and you will be fine ....

Thats my opinion ..

*IlyaK* · 09-11-2009, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by tigersharkdude

these are retro's. you can either make your own, or do what i did and find some for sale in the classifieds
all retros are, are oem projector's out of another car, retro'd into our housing

Slightly better pics:

*IlyaK* · 09-11-2009, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by max2envy98

Wow, This thread got crazy... Honestly before the retro fit idea (which is a good one) people put hid's in any housing and went on there way.. I mean some cars today come with hid's and no projectors.. I personally dont think its a must for hid's. In fact unless its a ridiculas dark colored blue or purple (which is usless) I think that a 6k should work just fine in a factory housing ... and it doesnt look trashy lol ... I mean I read something about trashy and something about the range or something..

I really dont think that when driving by a cop or by a club at night that the comments will be, "wow those hid's look trashy and check out the way there projecting light eww", lmao

and lastly if installed correctly pointing downwards, so that there not blinding other drivers. and your able to see the road . the cops wont say anything to you or people wont get blinded . and you will be fine ....

Thats my opinion ..

Bro, the cars that don't have projectors have a headlight designed for HID's. If you put that car and a Maxima with HID's side by side, the Maxima would blind more because of the way the reflectors are designed.

max2envy98 · 09-11-2009, 09:26 AM

My boy dj420 has no retros and the hids look sick .. but Ilyak yours look sick with the retros ... i mean i like the retros and they look nice.. but dont see the must for them, and we all know that if they didnt exsist or before they came into play everyone had hid's no problem ...

well agree to disagree... lol were all entitled to our own style ..

**mtrai760** · 09-11-2009, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by max2envy98

Wow, This thread got crazy... Honestly before the retro fit idea (which is a good one) people put hid's in any housing and went on there way.. I mean some cars today come with hid's and no projectors.. I personally dont think its a must for hid's. In fact unless its a ridiculas dark colored blue or purple (which is usless) I think that a 6k should work just fine in a factory housing ... and it doesnt look trashy lol ... I mean I read something about trashy and something about the range or something..

I really dont think that when driving by a cop or by a club at night that the comments will be, "wow those hid's look trashy and check out the way there projecting light eww", lmao

and lastly if installed correctly pointing downwards, so that there not blinding other drivers. and your able to see the road . the cops wont say anything to you or people wont get blinded . and you will be fine ....

Thats my opinion ..

Clearly, your knowledge in this area is lacking.

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max2envy98 · 09-11-2009, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mtrai760

Clearly, your knowledge in this area is lacking.

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What? My knowledge is lacking what there thread proffesor? like i said the retro's look better. Great !! but dont tell people they shouldnt do hid's with out retro's..

aackshun · 09-11-2009, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by max2envy98

I really dont think that when driving by a cop or by a club at night that the comments will be, "wow those hid's look trashy and check out the way there projecting light eww", lmao

I highly doubt your car will attract that much attention for more than 3 people to notice that you have HIDs in stock housings or that you have 10k bulbs in them, you have to realise, we own a maxima, in most peoples minds we're just about as worthless as the camry, accord, civic, and any other common car (even though we're not!!).

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Originally Posted by max2envy98

and lastly if installed correctly pointing downwards, so that there not blinding other drivers. and your able to see the road . the cops wont say anything to you or people wont get blinded . and you will be fine ....

Thats my opinion ..

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you obviously don't use your high beams do you? Maybe the OP doesn't need em either, but I'm in an environment where I cam appreciate every aspect that the engineers @ nissan designed to light up the road. Certainly lights up the road better than some other cars designed in 94.

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Originally Posted by max2envy98

What? My knowledge is lacking what there thread proffesor? like i said the retro's look better. Great !! but dont tell people they shouldnt do hid's with out retro's..

Do not put HIDs in non HID housings, it's counter productive, unless you are going for 100% cosmetics, what's next you're going to tell him to tint his head lights to reduce the glare?

Also the A33B max does have HIDs without projectors, but their housings are designed differently to support HIDS.

/thread plz.

**mtrai760** · 09-11-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by max2envy98

What? My knowledge is lacking what there thread proffesor? like i said the retro's look better. Great !! but dont tell people they shouldnt do hid's with out retro's..

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max2envy98 · 09-11-2009, 11:19 AM

OK LISTEN CLOSELY!!! IM NOT TELLING HIM ANYTHING IM SAYING EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THERE OWN STYLE ...

YOUR TELLING ME PRIOR TO THE RETRO FIT NO ONE USED HID"S? HMMM NO

AND YOU DIDNT EDUCATE ME ON SH**, OBVIOUSLY IT LOOKS BETTER BUT NOT A MUST ..

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*n3985* · 09-11-2009, 11:23 AM

I think you are missing the fact that people are trying to tell you the following:

1. Do it cheap and easy = HID kit in your factory headlights = improved light BUT glare to others (and let's face it, they don't do jack in rain or snow)

2. Do it right the first time and retro, improve your light out SIGNIFICANTLY w/o compromising others on the road

max2envy98 · 09-11-2009, 11:25 AM

OMG!!! WHATEVER, THIS HAS TO BE THE STUPIDIST THING I HAVE EVER READ ON THIS SITE ....

Here is how it should of went ..

Yes hid's look better together with retro's (obviously)

But watch your self, hid's in factory housings are tricky..

point them down to reduce brightness to on coming traffic ..
etc ...

max2envy98 · 09-11-2009, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by n3985

I think you are missing the fact that people are trying to tell you the following:

1. Do it cheap and easy = HID kit in your factory headlights = improved light BUT glare to others (and let's face it, they don't do jack in rain or snow)

2. Do it right the first time and retro, improve your light out SIGNIFICANTLY w/o compromising others on the road

That was simple... thank you. and I understand all that but all im saying is its been done without retro's in the past and I think it looked ok ..

aackshun · 09-11-2009, 11:30 AM

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That was simple... thank you. and I understand all that but all im saying is its been done without retro's in the past and I think it looked ok ..

Ok. You voiced your opinion, thanks.

There's enough of other peoples comments on here, so that's fine.

bigpopaj369 · 09-11-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mistertones

I got 6000k HIDS, with 2500 Nokya Yellow Fogs, Aimed the lights all the way down. Never gotten high beamed by other drivers.

this is a great example of a good setup,everyone is going to give u crap with whatever u do man. there is no need to do a retro if u cant/dont want to do it. granted it does improve functionability and looks but its not nessasary. this looks great! just put the hid kit in and get either the nokyas above or tint the lenses on ur fogs, call it a day it will look just fine. and congrats on the purchase and welcome to the org!

*DJ420* · 09-11-2009, 12:10 PM

Check out my sig.. that's 8000K in both headlights AND foglights. While retrofitting to projectors IS the best way to go about it, it is NOT necessary. The HIDs will perform better, and it will reduce/eliminate glare. However, if you do not retrofit, you can still use a plug n play kit.. I recommend aiming your gheadlights down evenly, so that the bulk of the light output is below the trunkline of a vehicle in front of you. There is always going to be stray glare, but you can keep it to a minimum this way!
Are retrofits the correct/best way to put HIDs in your ride, cosmetically/functionally? Yes.
Do you HAVE to retrofit in order to install HIDs in your headlights? No.
Are mine retrofitted? No.
Do I care what anyone thinks about it? NO.
I do plan to retrofit them in the future. I also plan to do LED tails, turns, and corners.
For your headlights, you need a 9004 Retrofit kit. For your fogs, you need a H3mini Retrofit kit. If you want to keep the functionality of your HI-beams, you will need a BI-Xenon kit. If lows are good enough for you, a single kit will do.
8000K=blue like mine. 10000K=darker blue. 3000K=yellow for fogs. 6000K=lighter than mine (almost white). 4300K=WHITE.

Don't let all the .org hard-asses get to you.. some people have nothing better to do! lol

I see that you are local, so PM sent..

EsQueue · 09-11-2009, 02:24 PM

I'm going to assume that the 4th gen maximas and my 99 i30 has the same the same reflectors. Here is an HONEST and not BS report.

I've installed 6000k hid bulbs into my stock housing. I didn't look bad when I stood in front of the car and it made the car look just good in general. I decided to test the cut off. The wasn't NEARLY as bad as the civic one shown above but it was very bad. The output felt only slightly better than stock. I got in a few other cars and parked in front of my car. The glare was bad to my surprise because I hadn't been flashed yet.

I decided to do a retrofit with 4300k which completely eliminated the glare and actually produced less glare than the stock halogen. An even light distribution and insane distance is the advantage that I got.

I added h3c (not h3) hid kit for my fogs and oddly enough, glare isn't bad at all. Tested the same way and am quite happy with it.

Check out this thread for picutres of my output prior to dropping in the h3c hid fogs.

Here is a youtube vid of my current setup. The camera darkens it alot. the light output is no darker than the pictures in my thread.

max2envy98 · 09-11-2009, 03:23 PM

Dj Nicely said .... they dont have anything better to do than bust balls lmao ...

bigpopaj369 · 09-11-2009, 06:16 PM

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Dj Nicely said .... they dont have anything better to do than bust balls lmao ...

some people are a lil over the top. not everybody can spend hundreds of dollars on retrod headlights. DJs setup is sex to the eyes!

Coolsaber57 · 09-11-2009, 09:10 PM

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some people are a lil over the top. not everybody can spend hundreds of dollars on retrod headlights. DJs setup is sex to the eyes!

I'm sorry, but I was unwilling to blind other drivers on the road because my headlights were too bright. It's called being considerate of other drivers.

As far as "hundreds of dollars"...a retro can be done cheaply, by using projectors that aren't the best, and using the stock headlights and a cheap HID kit. It's not the best solution, but it keeps others safe and greatly improved light output.