Won't Start

Capitone · 10-22-2008, 06:09 PM

Story: Since weather's cooled down, I've been getting an on again, off again battery light in dash. Been about 3 times in the last 7 days.

Each time this happened was early in the morning when temps were lowest. Each time I opted to take my bike to work instead. When I get home and attempt to trouble shoot, car would start right up and no light present. Temps are warmer during this time.

What happened: Today, same deal, but when I get home from work, car won't start at all. Had battery checked out and charged at Advanced Auto, placed back in car, but same deal.

Observations: When I turn the key, the car doesn't give the typical "Chuga-chuga" you get from the starter trying to roll the engine over. The sound is more like a "Chhhhhhhhhh". Really weird. Starter is a little over a year old.

I have over 260k on the max and the alternator is still factory only the belts are new (gotta love this car), however if the alternator was bad, the car should still start up with a fresh battery. Im thinking starter, but man would it be premature for failure.

Opinions appreciated.

Capitone

*TunerMaxima3000* · 10-22-2008, 06:39 PM

I assume you're saying that the battery passed the load test?
most parts places don't have a clue what they're doing.
You cannot check a battery if the voltage is below 12.4
You cannot check a battery if there is a surface charge on it.
If your battery was dead or low, it would have failed their test,
we need more info on what happened when you took it to Advance Auto.

We also need a better description or video of this noise you're talking about, but if its 'whirring' and not engaging, its 90% a bad starter solonoid

Capitone · 10-22-2008, 07:43 PM

AAP said the battery was good.

I've no way of recording the noise I'm hearing, so all I've got is description. Definately not a whiring sound. It is quite linear, no peaks like one normally gets when trying to start a car.

*TunerMaxima3000* · 10-23-2008, 06:12 PM

so the engine isn't even trying to turn over, all you hear is this noise?

Is it electronic? ie. clicking, whine, etc.
is it mechanical? grinding, etc.

A better description or further diagnosis is necessary here man.

Also, do some searching, there is countless info on no starts in these forums, you're problem has been covered, I assure you.

nismo97se · 10-23-2008, 06:19 PM

record a video of what it sounds like

Capitone · 10-24-2008, 09:48 AM

Correct no turning over at all. The sound isn't clicking, or grinding. I've experienced those before. I guess you could call it "electric" sounding in a way. Dunno, I really don't know how else to explain it.

Please don't assume that I didn't search. I have, but you as you all should know the search feature for the org is inoperable without donations. Google, yahoo ect...brings up hits, but nothing that speaks specifically to my problem. Yes, "car won't start" is a very common issue, but my issue is unique. At least unique enough to have great difficulty zero'n in on a productive buzz word. "Chhhhh" doesn't cut it, I agree, but that is all I have. This happens from time to time, I assure.

That said, I'm confident my issue deals with the starter as you alluded to earlier. I thank you for your feedback as it only reinforces my own initial suspicions. I've just never heard a starter make that sort of noise before. This is where I'll begin trouble shooting. If this leads no where, I'll post again.

-Capitone out-

*TunerMaxima3000* · 10-24-2008, 09:59 AM

Poor battery connections.
Poor connection to starter.

Check for battery voltage at the starter solonoid.
Have someone try to start the car and check for power to the trigger wire on the starter.

Post back what you find.

Capitone · 11-05-2008, 06:52 AM

Update: Issue was indeed the solonoid. Replaced whole starter under warranty and she started right up.

Many thanks to you all for comments!

-Capitone out-

Snypa · 11-05-2008, 08:00 AM

The best way to troubleshoot this is to get a jump from someone. I was in a similar situation this pass weekend. So if you get a jump and it still doesnt start, that will limit down somethings for you, like the starter.

DaveInDaytona · 11-13-2008, 08:17 AM

I've been searching the "no start" threads and this is the closest but not exactly it. I don't get anything, no click, noise, nothing.

Battery is good but I tried a jump anyway from where it stopped by someone offering help, AAA wrecker driver thought it could be the alarm lockout (factory setup only) but I'm not sure about that.

Lights are good, no check light, but when you turn the key to start... nothing. Lights don't change, no noise, nothing, it's like you haven't turned the key.

I'm going to go after it soon but I thought I'd ask the question here in case someone had a place to point me. I would have started a new post, but you can see my count. It's a 97 SE and is completely stock.

Thanks

hardincah · 11-13-2008, 08:54 AM

Engine control fuse/relay???? Have you checked that?

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveInDaytona

I've been searching the "no start" threads and this is the closest but not exactly it. I don't get anything, no click, noise, nothing.

Battery is good but I tried a jump anyway from where it stopped by someone offering help, AAA wrecker driver thought it could be the alarm lockout (factory setup only) but I'm not sure about that.

Lights are good, no check light, but when you turn the key to start... nothing. Lights don't change, no noise, nothing, it's like you haven't turned the key.

I'm going to go after it soon but I thought I'd ask the question here in case someone had a place to point me. I would have started a new post, but you can see my count. It's a 97 SE and is completely stock.

Thanks

*DBear* · 11-13-2008, 03:24 PM

Do the dash lights go on when you turn the key?

Capitone · 11-14-2008, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveInDaytona

I've been searching the "no start" threads and this is the closest but not exactly it. I don't get anything, no click, noise, nothing.

Battery is good but I tried a jump anyway from where it stopped by someone offering help, AAA wrecker driver thought it could be the alarm lockout (factory setup only) but I'm not sure about that.

Lights are good, no check light, but when you turn the key to start... nothing. Lights don't change, no noise, nothing, it's like you haven't turned the key.

I'm going to go after it soon but I thought I'd ask the question here in case someone had a place to point me. I would have started a new post, but you can see my count. It's a 97 SE and is completely stock.

Thanks

If your dash lights come on when you turn the key, it may just be your classic bad starter. If you know where your starter is, get to it and whack it with something 2 or 3 times. If your car starts up, you've got a bad starter.

If you don't know where your starter is located, use this site as a reference:

http://www.motorvate.ca/mvp.php/516

Let us know how it all turns out.

Capitone

gerns · 11-14-2008, 12:23 PM

I've got a similiar problem but when I turn the key I hear the relay click but the engine will not crank. I have replace the neutral switch but nothing still. Starter was tested at Autozone and it seems good...battery is good. I have electrical problems.

Capitone · 11-15-2008, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by gerns

I've got a similiar problem but when I turn the key I hear the relay click but the engine will not crank. I have replace the neutral switch but nothing still. Starter was tested at Autozone and it seems good...battery is good. I have electrical problems.

Did autozone test your battery along with the starter? If not, do so. If it's good, but needs recharging, look to your alternator. Definately sounds like a charge issue to me.

Curious to know what made you replace ur neutral switch before troubleshooting the other stuff 1st? Did you leave some details out? Is your clicking relay the reason you say you have electical problems? More info please...

-Capitone out-

DaveInDaytona · 11-16-2008, 07:57 AM

As I put in the original post all the lights look normal, even the dash lights.

Hopefully I will get over to where it was towed (AAA tow to a place close)and check it out today. My schedule was slammed last week so today is the first one with a little free time.

I will post the results, thanks for the replies, I really appreciate it.

DaveInDaytona · 11-16-2008, 09:16 PM

Got to the car this evening, put in the key and it started right up, no issue at all.

I did try turning it off and restarting it a few times and a couple times the starter was very sluggish so I'm still thinking it's time for it to be replace. At least I can get it home and do it there. I'll put an update later if anyone is interested. Thanks again for the replies.

Capitone · 11-17-2008, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveInDaytona

Got to the car this evening, put in the key and it started right up, no issue at all.

I did try turning it off and restarting it a few times and a couple times the starter was very sluggish so I'm still thinking it's time for it to be replace. At least I can get it home and do it there. I'll put an update later if anyone is interested. Thanks again for the replies.

Definately sounds like a bad starter. If it goes out again before you get to change it, a simple whack or two should get it going. I did my old starter this way for close to 6 months before it went completely kaput.

DaveInDaytona · 12-02-2008, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Capitone

Definately sounds like a bad starter. If it goes out again before you get to change it, a simple whack or two should get it going. I did my old starter this way for close to 6 months before it went completely kaput.

I replaced the starter and haven't had any more issues, yet. I've been working on cars a lot of years and never had one just do nothing, no click or anything, and then go back to working fine like that. It was actually working when I took it out.

Thanks again for the help. Now I need to look at the CV's.

fixerupper10 · 12-02-2008, 03:14 PM

HAHAHA wow you guys are hilarious you say its so many advanced things when really its your battery thats the issue i had this prob last week and it was cause my battery was dead it wouldnt start at all at first but after letting it sit a night it made that same noise that noise your hearing is your spark plugs going off but the battery is so dead the fuel pump wont do its job. heres what you do take your battery to walmart buy a new one and recycle the old one and plug the new one in your car should start right up withought and issue. thats why that light pops up in the morning when it gets cold out batteries lose there charge a little and thats why your light popped up but when it warms up the charge comes back trust me its just your battery dont go and have it tested and charged thats just a waste of money go and get a battery from walmart i got one and it has a 3 year warranty on it so then if the car still dosent start you can go and get your money back as long as you have the receipt

any other problems after you try this pm me and ill look through some stuff cause maybe its something else relating to your electrical system

DaveInDaytona · 12-02-2008, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fixerupper10

HAHAHA wow you guys are hilarious you say its so many advanced things when really its your battery thats the issue i had this prob last week and it was cause my battery was dead it wouldnt start at all at first but after letting it sit a night it made that same noise that noise your hearing is your spark plugs going off but the battery is so dead the fuel pump wont do its job. heres what you do take your battery to walmart buy a new one and recycle the old one and plug the new one in your car should start right up withought and issue. thats why that light pops up in the morning when it gets cold out batteries lose there charge a little and thats why your light popped up but when it warms up the charge comes back trust me its just your battery dont go and have it tested and charged thats just a waste of money go and get a battery from walmart i got one and it has a 3 year warranty on it so then if the car still dosent start you can go and get your money back as long as you have the receipt

any other problems after you try this pm me and ill look through some stuff cause maybe its something else relating to your electrical system

The battery was replaced smart guy. Thanks anyway.

fixerupper10 · 12-02-2008, 03:46 PM

no you said you had it taken to autozone and had it tested and charged not replaced. having a whole new battery put in is completely different than having it tested and recharged. not all tests from a system they have is completly true they just check the voltage and thats it they dont test if a cell in it has gone bad or if there is maybe something else wrong with it. trust me it you just get a whole new battery your problems are solved

DaveInDaytona · 12-02-2008, 03:53 PM

May want to look again and see where I said anything about Autozone, because I didn't.

fixerupper10 · 12-02-2008, 03:56 PM

ok sorry wrong place advanced auto not autozone but still they all have the same testing machines and none of them actually check the whole battery unless the thing actually takes the whole battery apart and checks every inch of it for flaws. this is why im saying go to walmart and do what i did

DaveInDaytona · 12-02-2008, 04:02 PM

<----------- that user said nothing about any parts store anywhere.

*CRiME* · 12-02-2008, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by fixerupper10

no you said you had it taken to autozone and had it tested and charged not replaced. having a whole new battery put in is completely different than having it tested and recharged. not all tests from a system they have is completly true they just check the voltage and thats it they dont test if a cell in it has gone bad or if there is maybe something else wrong with it. trust me it you just get a whole new battery your problems are solved

are you talking about?

Capitone, the original poster said he had his battery tested at Advanced Auto Parts. His problem ended up being the starter solenoid, which he fixed by replacing the entire starter.

DaveInDaytona has a different problem and never mentioned anything about having his battery tested anywhere. In fact, he said he replaced the entire battery.

Dave, if your problem pops up again after the starter replacement, consider replacing the ignition switch. Usually if you're getting nothing at all from under the hood, this is the item that needs to be replaced. With a bad switch, as well, Sometimes the car may only start with some 'jiggling of the key'. The part costs about $18.

DaveInDaytona · 12-02-2008, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRiME

are you talking about?

Capitone, the original poster said he had his battery tested at Advanced Auto Parts. His problem ended up being the starter solenoid, which he fixed by replacing the entire starter.

DaveInDaytona has a different problem and never mentioned anything about having his battery tested anywhere. In fact, he said he replaced the entire battery.

Dave, if your problem pops up again after the starter replacement, consider replacing the ignition switch. Usually if you're getting nothing at all from under the hood, this is the item that needs to be replaced. With a bad switch, as well, Sometimes the car may only start with some 'jiggling of the key'. The part costs about $18.

Wow, someone that can actually read !!!

OK, hopefully that got it, but the ignition switch makes a lot more sense for this problem so if it pops up again I'll look there.

Capitone · 12-03-2008, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DaveInDaytona

I replaced the starter and haven't had any more issues, yet. I've been working on cars a lot of years and never had one just do nothing, no click or anything, and then go back to working fine like that. It was actually working when I took it out.

Thanks again for the help. Now I need to look at the CV's.

CV joints aren't too tough of a job if your thinking of DIY'n it. The biggest Bish (at least for me) was the retaining nut. I've broken no less than 4 breaker bars trying to get the driver side bolt loose. Everything after that was pretty straight forward. Again, the motorvate link earlier in this thread would be very helpful.

Good luck!

Capitone

DaveInDaytona · 12-03-2008, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capitone

CV joints aren't too tough of a job if your thinking of DIY'n it. The biggest Bish (at least for me) was the retaining nut. I've broken no less than 4 breaker bars trying to get the driver side bolt loose. Everything after that was pretty straight forward. Again, the motorvate link earlier in this thread would be very helpful.

Good luck!

Capitone

I really didn't think it would be too bad either. I have all the tools including an an air impact that's very stout so breaking nuts isn't a problem as long as I can get to them.

I have a shop here that's making it tough to not just let them do it. Luckily unlike a starter issue this one I can think about for a bit.

I'll check out the link too, thanks again.