Better for HID's? - OEM Cefiros, aftermarket Cefiros, or R34-style?

[foreknowapparelworldwide]

Whats better with HID's? OEM Cefiros, aftermarket Cefiros, or R34-style?

WITHOUT PROJECTORS.
(I realize that it's better with projectors, however, for the time being I plan on buying R34 style, or depending on the outcome of this thread, OEM Cefiros or aftermarket, then getting Xenon 6000k HID's.)

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In your replies if you make one, please state if you know any good places to get which product you recommended. Thanks!!

[modenaf1]

All I can tell you is that I tried 6000K hids in the stock housings and I was beaming crap loads of light right in front of the bumper, up at distant stars in the sky, and anything and everything in between.

Projectors are the way to go

[WhiteA32]

Nothing. Don't waste your money on HIDs unless your getting projectors.

[MorpheusZero]

OEM Cefiros hands down, but I suggest going for projectors anyway. They will blow the Cefiros away.

[foreknowapparelworldwide]

ok so anyone know any good Projectors/places to grab these online or whatever?

question: projectors, they can be put onto your lights after the fact? so if i was to get either of those three things, r34's, oem cefiros or aftermarket cefiros the projectors that i get i shuold make sure can be retrofitted onto those lights, or what? sorry i honestly dont know anything about these things so any info is appreciated

[BLACKonBLACK98]

well first off you need to know that cefiros are not a perfect fit on a maxima and r34 output sucks. i would say the best would be oem maxima unless you have an i30.

now if you still want cefiros/projectors/hids, i just happen to have a set of retrofits i finished up for a member who decided the time wasn't right (they are not cheap). pm me if interested.











*new* eagle eyes 1 pc. cefiro lights
*new* 2.5" clear lenses
rx-330 projectors
*new* denso ballasts/used phillips bulbs available

[MorpheusZero]

ebay is a good projector source

You will need new bulbs (D2S) if you go from an HID kit in reflector housings to projectors. Also you'll most likely want 4300K bulbs for projectors even if you had 6000K in the reflector housings.

If you want some projectors, check out HIDplanet.net, or just ebay them.

Plus, I'd go OEM ballasts/ignitors in projectors if I were you.

[maximase86]

HID in Cefiro's SUCK! They put all the light everywhere but the road. Projector refit.

They do look cool though...until you get all the glare. This is a 6000k bi-xenon kit.

[modenaf1]

Originally Posted by BLACKonBLACK98

well first off you need to know that cefiros are not a perfect fit on a maxima and r34 output sucks.

Just curious, but if you were to retrofit it with projectors, it wouldn't matter whether or not the output sucked right?

[BLACKonBLACK98]

correct, but the original question was sans projectors.

[Flava_24/7]

Originally Posted by modenaf1

Just curious, but if you were to retrofit it with projectors, it wouldn't matter whether or not the output sucked right?

R34 output wouldnt suck if they had projectors.

[nalc]

I have a question about HIDs in stock housing... forgive me if it's retarded, but:

The issue with HIDs in stocks is that they aim too high, and shoot up too much glare... you can see fine with them, but other drivers will be blinded. That's why HID projectors have a cutoff shield.

Now, what if you were to drop HIDs in the stock reflector housings, but then put a shield over the top half of them. Almost like an oversized 'eyelid'. Would that sufficiently reduce glare to a manageable level, while retaining brightness to see the road?

Or, what about HIDs in the fogs and just the fogs? The fogs are aimed lower, so would HID fogs give you good road illumination without blinding oncoming traffic?

[MorpheusZero]

Originally Posted by maximase86

HID in Cefiro's SUCK! They put all the light everywhere but the road. Projector refit.

They do look cool though...until you get all the glare. This is a 6000k bi-xenon kit.

Those are aftermarket Cefiros (smoked). The OEM Cefiros actually have a beam pattern that's pretty conducive to HIDs.

Also, could you post a beam pattern pic? It might help to have a comparison between HID projos and aftermarket housings...

[MorpheusZero]

Originally Posted by nalc

I have a question about HIDs in stock housing... forgive me if it's retarded, but:

The issue with HIDs in stocks is that they aim too high, and shoot up too much glare... you can see fine with them, but other drivers will be blinded. That's why HID projectors have a cutoff shield.

Now, what if you were to drop HIDs in the stock reflector housings, but then put a shield over the top half of them. Almost like an oversized 'eyelid'. Would that sufficiently reduce glare to a manageable level, while retaining brightness to see the road?

Or, what about HIDs in the fogs and just the fogs? The fogs are aimed lower, so would HID fogs give you good road illumination without blinding oncoming traffic?

Alright, a few things:

1. Kind of. The issue with HIDs in stock housings is that stock housings are used to receiving a lot less light in general, so the light output is a different style, they focus less on the "cutoff," because the glare is not as prominent using halogen lighting, and also focus the light more in a "hot spot" in front of the car since they only have so much light to work with and they need to do something useful with it.

Now, when you put HID bulbs in halogen housings, you have basically a sphere as a light source (little gas capsule inside the HID bulb) instead of a line segment (filament in a halogen bulb). This means the light will be less focused and more scattered, since the housing was not engineered for the sphere source. Second, is that the sheer amount of light is amplified quite a bit. 9004 bulbs output about 700 lumens (45watt low beam) and 9007 bulbs are about 1000 lumens (55watt low beam). A 4300K bulb will output about 3400 lumens, and a 6000K bulb, which people tend to like more for reflector HID systems, puts out about 2200 lumens. Now, there is a certain amount of glare from factory halogen reflectors, but now not only are you making the light blue-ish (more prominent color for glare) but you're increasing the glare intensity 3-5 times. That makes for some uncomfortable glare.

2. There are HID bulbs built for reflector systems (D2R) that have a shield built-in, but an external shield would do better. People have done (there was someone who found the shields in Volvo HID reflectors) this and reported good results. Unfortunately you will still get the crappy beam pattern that the halogen reflectors give you, which focuses most of the light into hot spots directly in front of your car. Aftermarket housings i.e. aftermarket Cefiros and R34 housings will give you an even worse beam pattern, scattering the light into strange patterns and putting very little of it on the ground in useful places.

HID projectors (and to a lesser extent, reflectors) are engineered to put out a wide, even beam pattern with no hotspots. You have plenty of light to work with so there is no reason to focus it right on front of the car.

3. A lot of people actually aim fogs horribly so even with halogens they are still blinding. Fogs are not meant to provide illumination comparable to low beams. They're meant to light very close and wide, and in many cases are just for decoration (A32 fogs do squat). Using fogs as a main source of illumination is just a bad idea, you will not get much usable light out of them, especially if they're aimed correctly (down). I would not do it unless you just wanted to look cool.

[MorpheusZero]

Here's a good comparison pic I took when I was putting my retros in:



The projector is sitting in the hood so don't mind the positioning, but you can see the "hot spot" focusing of the halogens (keep in mind that is already a 9007 conversion up to 55watts and axial filament from 45watts and transverse filament) down to the right and the wide, even, defined pattern of the projector to the left.

Here's another of the output of the projectors. Wide, even spread and defined.

[foreknowapparelworldwide]

ok so like... i dont understand haha! i dont know if this makes sense but here goes

-Are there any light housings made for HID's for 4th gen maximas.. that are clear looking like the r34 style or something or are there only the halogen style housings available (in which case i have to buy projectors seperate and retrofit them.. i dont understand like.. ahh lol)

-can you buy HID's with Projectors already then get them put in your r34 or whatever housing...

-can anyone recommend sites to buy projectors that are good to use with r34 or OEM Crefiros can anyone recommend like a particular good projector that can be used in an OEM Cefiro housing or r34... ?

- anyone know any sorta "homemade" retrofit jobs.. things that they have made or whatever that worked or helped a bit focus thhe light

2. There are HID bulbs built for reflector systems (D2R) that have a shield built-in, but an external shield would do better.

-so if i was to install D2R hid bulbs into my r34 or OEM Cefiro would that be better? do they still use the regular xenon hid conversion kit? or are they a different type of kit? um does using D2R bulbs as my HID bulbs in my r34 or OEM Cerfiro, would that sort of be a half decent solution rather than buying projectors?

damn i hate being a noobie.

Originally Posted by QNO_A32

seems like its not a question of, should you use projectors in R34s but, which ones...

exactly ^

[MorpheusZero]

Originally Posted by foreknowapparelworldwide

ok so like... i dont understand haha! i dont know if this makes sense but here goes

No worries.

-Are there any light housings made for HID's for 4th gen maximas.. that are clear looking like the r34 style or something

No.

or are there only the halogen style housings available (in which case i have to buy projectors seperate and retrofit them.. i dont understand like.. ahh lol)

Yes, and aftermarket housing stock output is horrible enough that I wouldn't get them at all unless you were going to retrofit.

-can you buy HID's with Projectors already then get them put in your r34 or whatever housing...

You can get a full kit (ignitors/ballasts, bulbs, projectors) online but really the bulbs and ballasts tend to be pretty universal so it's just as easy to piece together the kits.[/quote]

-can anyone recommend sites to buy this stuff

HIDplanet.net and HIDplanet.net forums/classifieds
ebay
junkyard maybe?

-can anyone recommend like a good projector that can be used in an OEM Cefiro housing or r34... ?

Bixenons (HID low and high beam):
Infiniti FX projectors off an FX35/FX45
E46 projectors off an E46 BMW with bixenons
E55 projectors off of an '04 Maxima or Merc E class
TL projectors off an Acura TL (large, hard to fit and more expensive but great output)

Single Xenons (HID low beam, no high beam):
TSX projectors off an Acura TSX (pretty sharp, a pretty good deal for the output)
S2000 projectors (expensive but awesome output)
RX330 projectors off the lexus
RX-8 projectors

If you're going with bixenon projectors you'll need someone to make you a harness (or you can make it yourself if you're electrically inclined), you'll probably want someone to make you one even for single xenons.

- can anyone reccomend and sorta "homemade" retrofit projectors.. things that they have made or whatever that worked or helped a bit focus thhe light

Ehh. Do it right or not at all. People have put HIDs into cheaper halogen projectors (i.e. E30 projectors, integra projectors, Z32 projectors) with iffy results. If it's not designed for HIDs I'd steer clear.

-if i was to install D2R hid bulbs into my r34 or OEM Cefiro would that be better? do they still use the regular xenon hid conversion kit? or are they a different type of kit?

Better? That depends on what you mean by better. Stock halogens would probably light the road better than R34s with HIDs. OEM Cefiros should be better than stock lighting at least. And yes, putting HIDs in either of these kits would require the conversion kits that you can find in the group deal section, but you'd want the H4 conversion kit.

[foreknowapparelworldwide]

Bi-xenons, a better choice? so if I was to buy a Bi-Xenons kit, say 6000k, instead of just Xenon, and use it in a OEM Cefiros housing or r34, would I still need to get projectors or?

am i making sense, haha.

[MorpheusZero]

You could do that and get an acceptable outcome, but you'd get better results with a retrofit. Someone made a video with OEM cefiros and a bixenon kit a long time ago but I don't remember where it was.

Problem is, I'm not sure where to find OEM cefiros at this point. Not sure if they're still ebaying them (and there are aftermarket cefiros that claim to be OEMs)

[foreknowapparelworldwide]

hmm im searching around for 9004 (im guessing thats what would fit these headlight housings?) bi-xenon kits, they're not so easy to come by most people only have xenon.

do you know why bi-xenon is a bit better than xenons when used with these housings and no projectors or? just going on other peoples word on that?

do you know the if theres a serious difference in quality between a bi-xenon kit and low/high kit. theres explanations on here, a Bi-Xenon Product the same but as hi/low kit

have a look what do you think might be better? hmm.

sorry for all the questions

[MorpheusZero]

Cefiros are H4, not 9004.

Bixenons have a xenon high beam and xenon low beam. "hi-low kits" tend to have a xenon low beam and halogen high beam. Single xenon kits have no high beam. I'd suggest going for bixenons.

[foreknowapparelworldwide]

It is really hard finding OEM Cefiro's I'm looking around not having too much luck at the moment ebay has 1 listing, so if I cannot find these I may just go with crystal clear R34's then, so are these 9004??

[MorpheusZero]

IIRC they're 9005 and 9006 (separate high and low beams). You can't get a single bixenon kit for them, and the output is horrendous without projectors.