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check it out, i got R34 Style headlights in my max, i want to convert to HID's.
these lights convert from a 9004, to 9005 & 9006. ive been told that i need 9004 balasts. is this true. if so how would i order this
I have the same setup. Use the 9006 ballasts. Cause you will be putting them on your low beams. I don't have projectors on mine, the pattern still sucks but the output is 10 times better. I don't even use my high beams at all. I got the 50 watt kit though
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Ugh, here we go again.. HIDs in reflective housings... and the worse part of it is newbs always think thats upgrading to a better output when doing this. Tsk tsk.
The really sad thing is, most could really care less how crappy the output is as long as they get a colored output.
FYI, if the lows use a 9006 you will need a HID bulb using a 9006 base. Ballast shouldnt really matter. However most kits have there bulbs made to be a plug n play with there ballasts provided in the kits.
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just do a retro fit, no matter what HIDs u put in there the bulbs is going to be in the same position and using the same reflector to get the light to the ground, so ur really not going anywhere it will just make how bad ur beam pattern is more noticable
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I doubt it, too much other important stuff I want to do to the max. Already spent 200 on the r34 then another 140 for the hids, thats plenty enough for me. I'm not that picky when it comes to lighting. Cannot see spending large amounts of money on stuff like that. Motor swaps are a different story!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I doubt it, too much other important stuff I want to do to the max. Already spent 200 on the r34 then another 140 for the hids, thats plenty enough for me. I'm not that picky when it comes to lighting. Cannot see spending large amounts of money on stuff like that. Motor swaps are a different story!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If your not that picky when it comes to lighting why did you even get HIDs?
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Cause I couldn't see!!!! I rode around with those stock bulbs for almost a year, finally got some hids and now I can see. I didn't get them for color, I got them for output power. They are fricken bright
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I am curious, what is wrong with putting HIDs in the r34 reflector housings? The light output has to be better than normal halogens in the same reflector housings right?
the reason people keep saying get projectors is not just because of the much better output but U are blinding oncoming drivers on the road, the stock housings just throw the light everywhere they can, especially on the 95-96 with the fluted lenses
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I only have one car where the reflector was good enough to use aftermarket HID kits, and that was on my 97 Volvo, even while it put the light evenly on the ground with a nice cutoff, it did have hot spots and some minor glare. Every other car I've seen with aftermarket HID's sucked ***. Even my cefiros with a very well designed H4 cutoff sucked. Get projectors.
Already spent 200 on the r34 then another 140 for the hids, thats plenty enough for me.
^$140 for HIDS??? thats crazy. I spent 116 shipped from china for mine and mine are excelent. But i dont' understand why everyone is talking about 9005 and 9006 bulbs. and low and high beam bulbs. I don't know about you guys who retrofitted, but my stock set up has 1 bulb that does both low and high beam and my bulb was 9004. Anyways i ended up putting 8k's in and they work fantastic. I don't think retrofitting is really nessesary
^$140 for HIDS??? thats crazy. I spent 116 shipped from china for mine and mine are excelent. But i dont' understand why everyone is talking about 9005 and 9006 bulbs. and low and high beam bulbs. I don't know about you guys who retrofitted, but my stock set up has 1 bulb that does both low and high beam and my bulb was 9004. Anyways i ended up putting 8k's in and they work fantastic. I don't think retrofitting is really nessesary
If you happened to read you will see this thread is about the r34's not the oem headlights. They use 9005 and 9006 bulbs. Please read before you post. And welcome to the org.
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^$140 for HIDS??? thats crazy. I spent 116 shipped from china for mine and mine are excelent. But i dont' understand why everyone is talking about 9005 and 9006 bulbs. and low and high beam bulbs. I don't know about you guys who retrofitted, but my stock set up has 1 bulb that does both low and high beam and my bulb was 9004. Anyways i ended up putting 8k's in and they work fantastic. I don't think retrofitting is really nessesary
The reason you dont know why we are mentioning 9005 & 9006's is because your NOT following the discussion. The OP has R34 headlights which use those bulbs. The OEM Maxima bulb is 9004, which is why the kit you are using is has a 9004 bulb base.
You dont think a retrofit is necessary because you dont know better and havent compared your beam pattern to that of a projector.
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Why don't you ask any oncoming drivers what they think about your headlights?
I could put 5 10 million candlewatt lights on the front of my car and see fine too, doesn't mean I'm not pissing off anyone that has to be blinded by them, and causing a hazard on the road.
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i put a 8000k bixenon kit on my max and it did improve light output. i agree that projectors will give u better beam and output but i think what the rest of the people without projectors are trying to say that the HIDs did improve their lighting, even if its not as good as projectors. and by the way i wouldnt mind doing a retrofit i just dont have the skills necessary to do it, not yet anyways....
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i put a 8000k bixenon kit on my max and it did improve light output. i agree that projectors will give u better beam and output but i think what the rest of the people without projectors are trying to say that the HIDs did improve their lighting, even if its not as good as projectors. and by the way i wouldnt mind doing a retrofit i just dont have the skills necessary to do it, not yet anyways....
Yes, we all know that HIDs are brighter then OEM, doesnt take much to have a better output then the 9004 but the beam pattern in a reflective housing is horrible. Its scattered everywhere and blinding to everyone coming towards you. To me, brighter doesnt really mean better when the output is scattered everywhere.
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we should sticky a thread like this, why not to use HIDs in the stock housing, this is what it will look like to on coming drivers:
the stock 4th gen housing
these are Cefiro housings they are alittle better but they still have alot of glare
even during the day u can just see they are going to glare
AGREED!
This topic comes up every week. A nice light sticky with explanations of do's and dont's with pics and etc. would be nice.
Links for different retro setups Org members have done would be nice and links to HID tech and etc could be added for newbies. Explanation of Kelvin adn different type of projectors listed with pics would also be cool.
Here is some more on aftermarket HID kits,.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVuSSdZNsZw
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Last edited by Flava_24/7; 07-10-2008 at 02:51 PM.
^^^^ agreed. and also the difference between the color temp and the actual lumens. as i argue w/ morons at work that tell me their 13,000k purple hids are brighter than mine.
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^^^^ agreed. and also the difference between the color temp and the actual lumens. as i argue w/ morons at work that tell me their 13,000k purple hids are brighter than mine.
You should tell them the "everything is bigger" argument doesn't work in this case. Crazy texans.
well i would love to do a retro but i dont have the knowledge to do so. So if there is anybody in nashville,tn that would be willing to help me I would be up for it
AGREED!
This topic comes up every week. A nice light sticky with explanations of do's and dont's with pics and etc. would be nice.
Links for different retro setups Org members have done would be nice and links to HID tech and etc could be added for newbies. Explanation of Kelvin adn different type of projectors listed with pics would also be cool.
Here is some more on aftermarket HID kits,.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVuSSdZNsZw
There's a whole nother website for all that. People need to research hid before they see the $100 China made junk and throw it in a car. I think people just get used to things. For example, my first retrofit was my own with e55 projectors in stock housings. There are waay better projectors out, and guess what these are still on my car. I think the person that puts the hid kitd on their cars see it is an improvement from stock and just stay with it. They get flashed or whatever but they kinda shrug it off, after awhile it's normal so they don't respond. My retrofit was done in 05, all oem equipment.
Bulbs replaced=0
Ballasts replaced=0
Some cars came with hid that have a reflector, but if you compare the reflector of an hid car with a halogen car you will see the refelctors are different. Search, search, search, and when you are done searching, search some more. Hid University on Hidplanet.com
So I've tested the 4th gen r34 headlights with 5000K HID kits on my buddies maxima and I drove on the opposite side as the -oncoming traffic- and I don't understand how you guys get "blinded" and then start to ***** about something you haven't experienced. It looked like regular headlights with a few dull-bright moments when his car hit a small bump (but that's normal for all) and it didn't blind me -AT ALL-.
NONE, ZIP, NADA, etc.
When you guys say "blind" is it because you were blinded by the r34 headlights or by some crappy 4cyl car with it's high-beams on or HID kit? You guys speak of all this stray light like you've experienced it first-hand from a maxima with r34 headlights with a 5000k-8000k HID kit driving towards you and stopping to blind you on purpose.
So before you share your -not to reliable- "facts" go see for yourself if there's BLINDING glare from the r34 style headlights for our 4th gens with an HID kit.
Those pictures above with the glare from the STOCK maxima housing and what not are worthless in this thread because the OP was asking about putting HIDs in a R34 HOUSING and about which ballasts to use. So why are you posting how bad the glare is with the stock housings? Are you proving to us that the stock housings blind oncoming traffic?
Well GEE I WONDER. Stock housings with HID kits cause extreme blindage and I would know cause I've tested it out with the stock and HIDs with my friend and, yes, they do blind oncoming traffic but not the r34 headlights. Never said there wasn't ANY stray light but it's not enough to make you say "HOLY BATMAN I HAVE TO USE ECHOLOCATION TO DRIVE CAUSE THE HID KITS ARE BLINDING ME THROUGH MY BATMOBILE WINDHSIELD"
If you don't believe me go find someone with r34 headlights with an HID kit installed and drive by them.
So please stop posting pictures of stock headlamps with hid kits with ****ty cameras because this thread isn't about stock headlamps with hid kits and the glare stock headlamps cause.
Oh and common sense alert...cameras pick up the bright circle of the light and make it look like some super glare due to it being so contrasted with the rest of the non-illuminated enviroment. So the pictures of the "glare" are worthless because what the camera sees is not what WE THE HUMANS see. Do you get it?
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Notice how I emphasis on R34 headlight with HID kits. As I mention it to get it through your skulls that HID kits on r34 headlights aren't bad and don't blind the **** out of people. All it does is give you a crappy beam pattern which isn't all that bad if you know how to move your headlights sideways with some custom mounts.
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and some people don't have $500-600 laying around or the time to spend on headlight retrofits but at the same time they don't want to die because of crappy r34 beam patterns so they go on a budget and get hid kits which are now cheap and, voila, they can see at night now while driving home from work at 8pm to see his family and tell them how he steered clear of a dear because of his r34 headlights with HID kits that didn't blind the oncoming traffic on his way home.
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Last edited by riceyasian86; 07-14-2008 at 02:57 PM.
Umm, maybe I'm going out on a limb here.... but if you cannot afford to do a retrofit, why don't you save your money instead of buying R34 headlamps with there crappier output than even the stock headlights, and invest in some quality bulbs for your stock headlights, and some plastic polish to clean them up?
You can afford $200 for the headlights, and another $150+ for the HID's, but not another $150 for the projectors? WTF? That makes ZERO sense. If you can't afford to do it right, why do it at all?
OMG, now i haz da HID's! I'm leet yo! If your hurting for that extra $150 SOOOO bad, that you just can't stand it and MUST put HID's in a non HID housing, then do yourself and those around you a FAVOR!!! SAVE THAT MONEY, PUT IT IN THE BANK, BECAUSE YOUR BROKE *** SHOULDN'T BE SPENDING IT ON WORTHLESS ITEMS FOR THE CAR!
Get your finances in order first, find a better job, do something, because your priorities are ALL screwed up! You probably have 10 other things that need to be fixed on your car, riding on bare tires with shredding belts, but hey, you'll have HID's!
BTW, compare a set of R34's with HID's to a set retrofitted with projectors, and see how they compare in terms of light output and glare.
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Um i had hids in the r34 housings and the output is horrid. Matter a fact i have pics . Here.
the output is worse than the oem headlights with regular bulbs. I did it because i had the stuff lying around. These lights suck. Its a big W on the road and thats it.
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Umm, maybe I'm going out on a limb here.... but if you cannot afford to do a retrofit, why don't you save your money instead of buying R34 headlamps with there crappier output than even the stock headlights, and invest in some quality bulbs for your stock headlights, and some plastic polish to clean them up?
You can afford $200 for the headlights, and another $150+ for the HID's, but not another $150 for the projectors? WTF? That makes ZERO sense. If you can't afford to do it right, why do it at all?
OMG, now i haz da HID's! I'm leet yo! If your hurting for that extra $150 SOOOO bad, that you just can't stand it and MUST put HID's in a non HID housing, then do yourself and those around you a FAVOR!!! SAVE THAT MONEY, PUT IT IN THE BANK, BECAUSE YOUR BROKE *** SHOULDN'T BE SPENDING IT ON WORTHLESS ITEMS FOR THE CAR!
Get your finances in order first, find a better job, do something, because your priorities are ALL screwed up! You probably have 10 other things that need to be fixed on your car, riding on bare tires with shredding belts, but hey, you'll have HID's!
BTW, compare a set of R34's with HID's to a set retrofitted with projectors, and see how they compare in terms of light output and glare.
I hope that most of what you said it directed towards the OP because I'm not broke nor do I have R34 headlights on my car. I have stock housings with slyvania 9004 bulbs, and yes I know what hid projectors vs halogen looks like because I own two cars. One with halogen lights and another with hid projectors...haha..anyway..
Really though I see your guys' point but think about it for a second. $200 he already spent for headlights and you keep on adding money to that. It goes over what he initially expected to pay for cheap crappy brighter output. Like I said, not everyone has the money or time to do a retrofit. $200 for headlights + $150 for projectors + $$ for ballast + $$ bulbs + $$ for whatever else it is.
It adds up. It's not just $150 for projectors. You're leaving out the time it takes to retrofit in projectors and he probably hasn't done it before or planning to judging by him asking if the r34 housing takes 9004 ballasts for a 9006 bulb housing. I'm not defending his choice to get HIDs for the R34 headlights but rather telling the posters who put crap about the glare from the stock 4th gen housings with hid kits that it's pointless because he's getting HIDs for the r34 which does not blind oncoming traffic from my own experience. Maybe I'm not as sensitive to the HID lights.
And what kzoosho's picture shows more or less what I saw on the road while we tested it out. Not much glare at all...so mtrai why don't you look at the pictures above that the other guys posted with their crappy camera and then the picture that kzoosho posted that has more than 1mp.
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if you dont do projectors you are gonna realize you instead just wasted money. Thats why I run the stock ebay bulbs with my R34s 
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Crazy texans. 
I think the person that puts the hid kitd on their cars see it is an improvement from stock and just stay with it. They get flashed or whatever but they kinda shrug it off, after awhile it's normal so they don't respond. My retrofit was done in 05, all oem equipment. 
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