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Old 05-10-2008, 06:39 AM
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LED tails = wierd electrical

So i've been working on some led tails for a while lately and i got two boards done and installed in my car. They work fine and i was happy... until i realized that my gauges (reverse glow gauges), and my corner lights light up every time i hit the brakes (when my driving/headlights aren't on.) When i installed the gauges, i wired them to my ashtray light, so they would only go on when my lights are on. I have no idea why this is happening. Does anyone have any ideas?
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Did you use diodes for the brake?
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Yea you need to install diodes to keep you from back feeding into the car. Right now everytime you are hitting the brakes you are feeding power to your parking light circuit. I use diodes on both the brake and park circuit on my tails.
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where exactly would i put the diodes and what diodes would i use?
i did use diodes on my led boards, but i dont think that's what you both are talking about...
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Originally Posted by Reece616
where exactly would i put the diodes and what diodes would i use?
i did use diodes on my led boards, but i dont think that's what you both are talking about...
I think your thinking of resistors.
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Originally Posted by Kevlo911
Did you use diodes for the brake?
damn you beat me to it... yea use some diodes...
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Originally Posted by Reece616
i did use diodes on my led boards, but i dont think that's what you both are talking about...
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I think your thinking of resistors.
no he used doides in the actual array.

reese, put diodes on the brake wires with the polarity so that current will only flow to the boards. because of the design you might need them on the marker wire as well.

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Go to radioshack and get you some 12v zener diodes and youll be good bro.
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Why would you want a Zener diode? You don't want it to break down at 12 volts.
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Get some of these:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...entPage=search
Or 004 or 007 .... Any of those will work.
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he should have some already. just install.
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Old 05-10-2008, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevlo911
Get some of these:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...entPage=search
Or 004 or 007 .... Any of those will work.
i think i have the 1N4001 diodes, will those work?

I'm assuming that I'd just cut the brake and marker wires and put a diode "in-line" in each wire right? And if that's how it's done, is it safe to cover with heat shrink tubing?
Thanks for the help guys.
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correct. not sure about the heat shrink but i dont see it being an issue.
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Yay for .7 volt drop...
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Originally Posted by BLACKonBLACK98
correct. not sure about the heat shrink but i dont see it being an issue.
so those will work?

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Yay for .7 volt drop...
i dont get it
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yeah they will work.

.7 voltage drop is not a huge deal... it will just dim them a bit. i dont know where he got that number but if its correct you might not want to heat shrink the whole thing.
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Originally Posted by BLACKonBLACK98
yeah they will work.

.7 voltage drop is not a huge deal... it will just dim them a bit. i dont know where he got that number but if its correct you might not want to heat shrink the whole thing.
is there any diodes i could get that wouldn't have much of a drop? i dont really want them to get dimmer. why do u say not to heat shrink them if that's the case?
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i dont even know that those have a .7v drop. im just going by what he said. the reason i say dont heat shrink em completely is because you want something that drops any decent amount of voltage to be able to breath (cooling).
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Originally Posted by Reece616
is there any diodes i could get that wouldn't have much of a drop? i dont really want them to get dimmer. why do u say not to heat shrink them if that's the case?
You will never notice a .7 volt drop. Heat shrink the whole thing as long as the heat shrink is not glue filled (may be conductive). Diodes when used in the correct application are not a great source of heat (which is why I assume others were unsure about heat shrinking them)
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Originally Posted by BLACKonBLACK98
yeah they will work.

.7 voltage drop is not a huge deal... it will just dim them a bit. i dont know where he got that number but if its correct you might not want to heat shrink the whole thing.
Silicon diodes, when forward biased (when current is running through them), will have a .7V drop across them. Different types of diodes will be different but there will always be a small drop across a diode AFAIK.

Actually, the I/V curve of a diode is not ideal (obviously), the drop will depend on the current running through it, but any significant amount of current will result in .7V across the diode and variations will have a negligible effect on voltage drop.

Really I was just throwing that in there for the hell of it--you shouldn't notice the difference in brightness.
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alright, then i think i'm gonna wire in some of the 1N4001 diodes tomorrow.

thanks for all the help and the quick responses guys.
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