Staggered wheels?
01-11-2006, 09:30 PM
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Staggered wheels?
Sup yea'll, i'm bidding*tryin to buy* a set of nice 18" gunmetal w/polishd lip wheels, they are STAGGERED.
Fronts-18x7.5
Rears-18x9*do u think, that this is TO much for a max*
and on the rears what size tires would i need?
thankz
Fronts-18x7.5
Rears-18x9*do u think, that this is TO much for a max*
and on the rears what size tires would i need?
thankz
01-11-2006, 10:09 PM
#2
I have 19x8.5 on the front with 245/35/19....and 19x9.5 on the rear with 255/35/19 on the rear. I would say no smaller then 245 for the rears...and at least 35 on the front. But the 255 look crazy b/c they are wide...and it kinda helps with the handling in the rear...
01-11-2006, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ACEEMaxima
I have 19x8.5 on the front with 245/35/19....and 19x9.5 on the rear with 255/35/19 on the rear. I would say no smaller then 245 for the rears...and at least 35 on the front. But the 255 look crazy b/c they are wide...and it kinda helps with the handling in the rear...
Dunno how much it helps handling, but i know they can blow past everybody in freeway on-ramps when we are caravaning. High quality wide wheels are too much $ for me though.
01-11-2006, 11:07 PM
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How can 255 in the rears help acceleration when the car is front wheel drive? 
Originally Posted by El_Presidente
...but i know they can blow past everybody in freeway on-ramps when we are caravaning. High quality wide wheels are too much $ for me though.
01-11-2006, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DR-Max
How can 255 in the rears help acceleration when the car is front wheel drive?
Maybe ask Aceemaxima he's the one with 255's
01-11-2006, 11:46 PM
#6
Extreme tire/wheel width doesn't benefit anyone much, maybe a little with rear wheel drive cars. If anything they put additional stress on the balljoints and wheel studs.
Originally Posted by El_Presidente
I dunno, i'm not a car designer. But i think that wide tires would mostly be for better cornering, and that's what i have witnessed when these guys can go faster around on- and off-ramps.
Maybe ask Aceemaxima he's the one with 255's
Maybe ask Aceemaxima he's the one with 255's
01-12-2006, 02:30 AM
#9
Didn't wheel-staggering originated from the hot-rod days? Those rear-wheel drive muscle cars needed more gripping power from their tires, thus incorporating wider rear wheel/tires for maximum transfer of power to the ground.
On front wheel drive cars, I do not see why having wider rear wheels/tires would benefit lateral grip when the front wheels are the one that needs more gripping power. When you see these front wheel drive dragsters on the track, do you see them put the racing slicks on the rear? No, they go on the front.
I'd say staggering is just for looks on Maximas, nothing else.
On front wheel drive cars, I do not see why having wider rear wheels/tires would benefit lateral grip when the front wheels are the one that needs more gripping power. When you see these front wheel drive dragsters on the track, do you see them put the racing slicks on the rear? No, they go on the front.
I'd say staggering is just for looks on Maximas, nothing else.
01-12-2006, 05:06 AM
#10
I love the look of a wide tire in the back, but only when its functional.
If anything staggered would only work on a max if it was the reverse. Larger in front smaller in rear. . . but only dragsters would probably want that.
Many people are running staggarded on a max. 9" is the largest I've heard of someone running on their max without trouble. I'd try to keep it under that. I dont know how anyone with a max can fit 275 in the back
If anything staggered would only work on a max if it was the reverse. Larger in front smaller in rear. . . but only dragsters would probably want that.
Many people are running staggarded on a max. 9" is the largest I've heard of someone running on their max without trouble. I'd try to keep it under that. I dont know how anyone with a max can fit 275 in the back
01-12-2006, 05:20 AM
#11
with my experiences at auto-x rear tires that are too wide on our cars actually hurt....if u dont have a good suspension set up with sway bar and nice spring/strut all wider rear tires are going to do is make the car understeer more and not let the back end come around nicely....now yes wider to an extent are good....i wouldnt go wider than 235 for street...hell for auto-x i run 225 rear and 235 front to allow the back end to atleast have a chance of kicking out a bit instead of massive understeer
01-12-2006, 07:47 AM
#12
Originally Posted by Nealoc187
I'm not a fan of staggered wheels on FWD cars.
It's just pointless in so many ways. I would go ahead and have same size rims but add spacers in the rear to make them line up even.
01-12-2006, 09:52 AM
#15
Its all for looks...but thats a little too staggered your going to sacrafice your handling most likely (I.E. Understeer like a biotch)...no more than an inch difference is my rule...What are the offsets? Thats a better question...
01-12-2006, 09:58 AM
#17
For the most part, people with staggered 18's or 19's with wide tires aren't really in it for performance. How can they, wheels that size are too heavy. A lot of unsprung weight negatively affects handling and performance. These guys just wanna bling. The same thing with people who lower their car so much that they are only a couple of inches from the ground.
01-12-2006, 12:29 PM
#19
Id be like 
if is saw a FWD car with wider rear wheels than front wheels. i agree with nismos14 and blaximazx. same size wheels or buy BMW (i say M3 nice set of staggered 19" wheels. sexy was hell)
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if is saw a FWD car with wider rear wheels than front wheels. i agree with nismos14 and blaximazx. same size wheels or buy BMW (i say M3 nice set of staggered 19" wheels. sexy was hell)B
01-12-2006, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DR-Max
For the most part, people with staggered 18's or 19's with wide tires aren't really in it for performance. How can they, wheels that size are too heavy. A lot of unsprung weight negatively affects handling and performance. These guys just wanna bling. The same thing with people who lower their car so much that they are only a couple of inches from the ground.
Without regards to a staggered setup, wider wheels and tires will provide more a foot print during cornering making the car more stable. If you notice closely on SCCA fwd touring vehicles, you'll notice none of them run a reverse staggered setup (srt-4, mazda 6, real time rsx, real time tsx, etc).
Let just imagine the extremities in this case: put 275 tires in the front and 225's in the rear and take a hard sweeper. Okay, so now the front is gripping more and your rear end will fish tail out with all that weight displaced towards the front. The main point is that I believe most people's reference to staggered is as such: a extreme bias between front and rear... like rwd applications. So for example putting 225's 17x7 in the front and 275's 17x9 in the rear on a maxima. In that case, where you are displacing over 50mm of tire and over 2 inches of rim between the front and rear in a "staggered" setup, then I agree with all your points (in terms of "bling" and performance)
01-12-2006, 12:55 PM
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Larrio that was a good explination.
and...
kudos on the wheels they look good. I want some 19's what im broke as shat right now so im gonna have to wait. What wheels and tires?
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and...
kudos on the wheels they look good. I want some 19's what im broke as shat right now so im gonna have to wait. What wheels and tires?
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01-12-2006, 01:02 PM
#22
Many like to go with just looks not thinking about other consequences. Another downside to having too wide-of-a-tire is that when you are dropped, you run to the risk of smashing your front fender wells against the front tires during hard turns. Overdoing anything always have bad effects. To me 245 is the max that I would go for width.
01-12-2006, 01:02 PM
#23
Originally Posted by Larrio
my 18's weigh less the 19 lbs a piece, not all that heavy IMO for a 18x9.5 inch wheel and lighter than what most org members are running on 17's. And in no way am I trying to "bling"
Without regards to a staggered setup, wider wheels and tires will provide more a foot print during cornering making the car more stable. If you notice closely on SCCA fwd touring vehicles, you'll notice none of them run a reverse staggered setup (srt-4, mazda 6, real time rsx, real time tsx, etc).
Let just imagine the extremities in this case: put 275 tires in the front and 225's in the rear and take a hard sweeper. Okay, so now the front is gripping more and your rear end will fish tail out with all that weight displaced towards the front. The main point is that I believe most people's reference to staggered is as such: a extreme bias between front and rear... like rwd applications. So for example putting 225's 17x7 in the front and 275's 17x9 in the rear on a maxima. In that case, where you are displacing over 50mm of tire and over 2 inches of rim between the front and rear in a "staggered" setup, then I agree with all your points (in terms of "bling" and performance)
Without regards to a staggered setup, wider wheels and tires will provide more a foot print during cornering making the car more stable. If you notice closely on SCCA fwd touring vehicles, you'll notice none of them run a reverse staggered setup (srt-4, mazda 6, real time rsx, real time tsx, etc).
Let just imagine the extremities in this case: put 275 tires in the front and 225's in the rear and take a hard sweeper. Okay, so now the front is gripping more and your rear end will fish tail out with all that weight displaced towards the front. The main point is that I believe most people's reference to staggered is as such: a extreme bias between front and rear... like rwd applications. So for example putting 225's 17x7 in the front and 275's 17x9 in the rear on a maxima. In that case, where you are displacing over 50mm of tire and over 2 inches of rim between the front and rear in a "staggered" setup, then I agree with all your points (in terms of "bling" and performance)
But i will also agree that in this particualr case i am sure its more for looks than anything
01-12-2006, 01:10 PM
#24
Originally Posted by MaximaSE96
i know of many people with FWD cars in SCCA SOLO II who run a reverse stagger...mysel being one...but thats also a different breed of racing...turns are lil more tighter and what not....and for the most part SOLO II cars dont have $10k just in suspension mods like touring cars do and most fo them run an adjustable spring height for perfect 50/50 wheight balance using corner scales and different height at each corner
But i will also agree that in this particualr case i am sure its more for looks than anything
But i will also agree that in this particualr case i am sure its more for looks than anything
When I was at Laguna Seca aka Mazda Speedway for the American LeMans series, all the SCCA fwd cars had a staggered or neutral setup (however I think they are limited on wheel and tire size). My belief for road courses is to shove the largest wheel and tire that will fit within reason, regardless of staggered or not.
and to answer the original question by moogotzskillz2:
It all depends on wheel offset and tire size. And DR-Max has a good point, anything larger than 245 up front will rub on hard transitions or dips/bumps
01-12-2006, 01:14 PM
#25
The staggered look does look nice. For everyday stuff and spirited driving, it shouldn't be a problem. But my problem is putting a fatter tire in the rear is going to make an already understeering FWD even more so.
01-12-2006, 01:22 PM
#26
Originally Posted by Larrio
You have a point there also. And driving style has a lot to do with it. I'm assuming that more reverse staggered setups on fwd applications in a tight track or auto crossing is for trail braking? I believe in those instances many like the rear to pivot around turns (kind of like the jdm videos with integra type r's in the Touge)
When I was at Laguna Seca aka Mazda Speedway for the American LeMans series, all the SCCA fwd cars had a staggered or neutral setup (however I think they are limited on wheel and tire size). My belief for road courses is to shove the largest wheel and tire that will fit within reason, regardless of staggered or not.
and to answer the original question by moogotzskillz2:
It all depends on wheel offset and tire size. And DR-Max has a good point, anything larger than 245 up front will rub on hard transitions or dips/bumps
When I was at Laguna Seca aka Mazda Speedway for the American LeMans series, all the SCCA fwd cars had a staggered or neutral setup (however I think they are limited on wheel and tire size). My belief for road courses is to shove the largest wheel and tire that will fit within reason, regardless of staggered or not.
and to answer the original question by moogotzskillz2:
It all depends on wheel offset and tire size. And DR-Max has a good point, anything larger than 245 up front will rub on hard transitions or dips/bumps
01-12-2006, 01:23 PM
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Running 235's on an 8"w rim back, 225's on a 7.5"w rim front (from G35C). Car corners very well, but other handling mods were made at the same time so this may not be the result of tire width. When I re-tire (pun), I will likely get the same size around so I can rotate.
BTW - No difference in acceleration with wider rear
BTW - No difference in acceleration with wider rear
01-12-2006, 01:37 PM
#28
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
The staggered look does look nice. For everyday stuff and spirited driving, it shouldn't be a problem. But my problem is putting a fatter tire in the rear is going to make an already understeering FWD even more so.
I drove around with a small reversed staggered setup for about 1 or 2 years (18x7.5 Axis wheels, 245 fronts, 235 rears). So far I like the new setup, but i'll know for sure then.
01-12-2006, 02:41 PM
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Well I'm on stagered tires at the moment. Sometimes when my Z32 is sitting or race rubber I put the wheels and tires off the Z on the Max. Not a performance mod, but looks nice. 17x8.5 255/40/17 front 17x9.5 275/40/17 rear (no rubbing) for performance I just put the 17x9s with 255/40/17 "R" compounds on either car.
01-03-2012, 05:35 AM
#31
Staggered for looks w/ larger rear tires!
Yes it's mainly for looks but that i'm considering the widest tires on could put on my max, but i'm willing to put the sway bar and some spring/struts on the car to offset the troubles it may evoke in the handling. I need some advice as to what sway bar and spring /strut adjustments should be made to allow a wheel size like 17 x 8.5 +40 fronts (255/40) and a 17 x 9.5 +38 rear (275/40). Might even want a narrower front tire, would a 7.5 work to get me more of a Muscle Car Max look?
01-03-2012, 06:46 AM
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18X7.5 in the front is too skinny man. That basically stock. I mean if you're going for staggered you'd want it to be noticable and seeing that you be paying good money to make it look staggered you'd want it to show by just looking at it. 18X8 in the front and 18X9 or 9.5 in the rear. You might have to do some shaving.
Can't really give you a tire size because I don't know if you're car is lowered or you intend to. I guess you'd know by your lowering application
Can't really give you a tire size because I don't know if you're car is lowered or you intend to. I guess you'd know by your lowering application
01-03-2012, 01:33 PM
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well even if this is a six-year-old thread..it's worth pointing out that there can be advantages to staggered wheels on fwd cars. the wider tires can help to prevent lift oversteer.
however, the fourth-gen maxima understeers anyway, and it's got a beam rear axle so lift oversteer is barely a concern - camber and toe don't change with loading on the rears. so for a fourth-gen maxima, staggered tires really don't make sense.
however, the fourth-gen maxima understeers anyway, and it's got a beam rear axle so lift oversteer is barely a concern - camber and toe don't change with loading on the rears. so for a fourth-gen maxima, staggered tires really don't make sense.
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