5TH gen pressure plate a success.
11-27-2004, 01:45 AM
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5TH gen pressure plate a success.
If any of you were interested in Phenryiv's idea of using the 5th gen pressure plate, I picked up where he left off. He got both 4th gen and 5th gen PP but they got mixed up with the stock PP was used. So I got one and gave it a shot. Well I took it for a 10 minute drive and my car has never felt so good. I used all the OEM (not key value) parts, Red line MT-90, Mobil 1 Synthetic motor oil, sythetic brake fluid, and a stainless clutch line. I am so happy to have a non slipping clutch, its been many months. And the onther great part is I got rid of that noisy throw out brearing! God that thing was annoying me. What a great street set up!
11-27-2004, 09:35 AM
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Yea mike, its where you let the clutch out and you hear a whirring noise, easily heard when the car is in nutral and idling.
Nismology, its is supposed to have more clamping force.
Nismology, its is supposed to have more clamping force.
11-27-2004, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by liqidvenom
if the 4th n 5th gen ones got mixed up how do u know which one u used?
Great job JSutter. Once my Oem starts to give up i will probally do this exact same thing. if its not too much of a problem can you list the Part #'s of all the parts needed.
11-27-2004, 02:21 PM
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This thing has some major bite. I dont know if this is how there are supposed to be stock, but it grabs and grabs. Im obviously grannying for the break in period yet i still managed to chirp the tires on the 1st to 2nd shift...at 3k rpm!
All OEM non key value 95-99 clutch parts: Clutch Cover 30210-40U06, Clutch Disc 30100-40U14, Release Bearing 30502-41U20.
the 5th Gen PP, it is a "clutch cover" with the # 30210-89F00.
So the parts I have are Clutch Disc 30100-40U14, Release Bearing 30502-41U20, clutch cover 30210-89F00. I really recomend this set up, so far I love it.
Original thread http://www.forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=340734
EDIT: the disc I removed from my car has the sufix 40U11 and the clutch cover sufix is 40U03........anyone know if they are Key Value part numbers?
All OEM non key value 95-99 clutch parts: Clutch Cover 30210-40U06, Clutch Disc 30100-40U14, Release Bearing 30502-41U20.
the 5th Gen PP, it is a "clutch cover" with the # 30210-89F00.
So the parts I have are Clutch Disc 30100-40U14, Release Bearing 30502-41U20, clutch cover 30210-89F00. I really recomend this set up, so far I love it.
Original thread http://www.forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=340734
EDIT: the disc I removed from my car has the sufix 40U11 and the clutch cover sufix is 40U03........anyone know if they are Key Value part numbers?
11-27-2004, 04:09 PM
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I'm interested in doing this since my clutch is slipping. I checked on JRnissanparts.com and they have two 5TH gen clutch cover / pressure plates.
Thru 11-2000 30210-89F00
11-2000 and Up 30210-2Y920
Looks like you got the earlier type. Could the "newer" one be "better" than the one you're using?
I did a search and the value clutch kit part # is: 30001-16ES2NW.
Thru 11-2000 30210-89F00
11-2000 and Up 30210-2Y920
Looks like you got the earlier type. Could the "newer" one be "better" than the one you're using?
I did a search and the value clutch kit part # is: 30001-16ES2NW.
11-27-2004, 06:30 PM
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VeeQueue: oh man dont tell me that! of course im very happy with the one i got. YOu should look into the other PP.
DemonSpawn I paid just over $200 for the PP, TOB, and disc.
DemonSpawn I paid just over $200 for the PP, TOB, and disc.
11-28-2004, 03:40 PM
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on a scale of 1-10, maybe a 5, haha. Its just a great deal of losening bolts really.
This was my first clutch job, but not my first time doing something like this. I have done eveything else needed to get to the tranny on a maxima at one time or another. It took me about 4 hours to get to the tranny, then another couple to get it out, doing all the work on my own with handtools. Then another seven hours to put it all back together. I had help with installing the tranny and bleeding the clutch, but thats it. The rest of the time he was slowing me down for that seven hours. So thats about 15 hours working really slow, over 3 days. The actual work time was probably less becuase I took some breaks. It would have been much less if I just did the tranny only, since I did other things at the same time. It was really straight forward. I used an FSM and Haynes as guides. Anyway it wasnt terribly hard at all. You just need the right tools for the right job.....speaking of which I really could have used a real automotive hammer, not a freakin claw hammer I have!
This was my first clutch job, but not my first time doing something like this. I have done eveything else needed to get to the tranny on a maxima at one time or another. It took me about 4 hours to get to the tranny, then another couple to get it out, doing all the work on my own with handtools. Then another seven hours to put it all back together. I had help with installing the tranny and bleeding the clutch, but thats it. The rest of the time he was slowing me down for that seven hours. So thats about 15 hours working really slow, over 3 days. The actual work time was probably less becuase I took some breaks. It would have been much less if I just did the tranny only, since I did other things at the same time. It was really straight forward. I used an FSM and Haynes as guides. Anyway it wasnt terribly hard at all. You just need the right tools for the right job.....speaking of which I really could have used a real automotive hammer, not a freakin claw hammer I have!
11-29-2004, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by JSutter
VeeQueue: oh man dont tell me that! of course im very happy with the one i got. YOu should look into the other PP.
DemonSpawn I paid just over $200 for the PP, TOB, and disc.
DemonSpawn I paid just over $200 for the PP, TOB, and disc.
Of course I didn't know at that time the Exedy OEM replacement is like Nissan's Key Value clutch kit and also I was doing an engine swap so the clutch had to go in ASAP at that time otherwise I wouldve purchased original Nissan parts @ the dealer and sent the crap clutch I received back to the seller.
6000 miles and it already slips!! yay!!! At anyrate, thanks for confirming the fitment with this 5th gen pressure plate. I will post a review later too.
11-29-2004, 11:25 AM
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For NA applications OEM is the onlyway to go. My OEM has 113k on it and it hasn't no sign of slipage. I have done 15 back to back passes at the track with no slipage. I commend JSutter for giving this a shot but i am sure an OEM identical replacement with 4th gen pressure plate would also be sufficent.
12-01-2004, 01:12 PM
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Now I wonder which is better, 4th gen disc or 5th gen disc......the 5th gen disc # is 30100-2Y904. And the only thing I can think of for the newer 2k1 PP change would be for the LSD tranny in the AE. Maybe it has eben better clamping force. Its also cheaper..... wheres DAVEB when you need him?
12-01-2004, 08:48 PM
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Get everything you need before you start. I bought the 3 clutch parts, borrowed an alignment tool, and purchased new axle seals, 5 quarts of gl-4 gear lube. I also picked up a pilot bearing and rear main seal just in case (never did use them). I also got new gaskets for the Y pipe to manifold. If you are going to get the flywheel resurfaced check out your local shops ahead of time and maybe set up a date.
You also need some grease for assembly. The FSM states using lithium based grease. You need quite a few tools for the job. Lots of little things to make the job easier such as, 2 floor jacks and 4 jack stands. I suggest getting some repair manuals too. I have the CD version of the FSM and a Haynes. They were invaluable. Take your time. Check out http://www.motorvate.ca/mvp.php/801 for a quick rundown on the removal of the tranny and removal of the clutch. I'm sure you have seen it. You should talk to someone a bit more experianced than I for some really good help.
You also need some grease for assembly. The FSM states using lithium based grease. You need quite a few tools for the job. Lots of little things to make the job easier such as, 2 floor jacks and 4 jack stands. I suggest getting some repair manuals too. I have the CD version of the FSM and a Haynes. They were invaluable. Take your time. Check out http://www.motorvate.ca/mvp.php/801 for a quick rundown on the removal of the tranny and removal of the clutch. I'm sure you have seen it. You should talk to someone a bit more experianced than I for some really good help.
12-01-2004, 11:08 PM
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I have the entire 5th gen clutch assembly on my car, pressure plate AND clutch disc. i had it done about 3 weeks ago, still havent finished the break in period yet cus i had other car problems, ill let you guys know how well it does when i start ripping it up tomorrow 
12-02-2004, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 96stillen_max
I have the entire 5th gen clutch assembly on my car, pressure plate AND clutch disc. i had it done about 3 weeks ago, still havent finished the break in period yet cus i had other car problems, ill let you guys know how well it does when i start ripping it up tomorrow
If you have the newer pressure plate (30210-2Y920) maybe I'll return the one I bought (30210-89F00) and get the newer one too and at the same time return the 4th gen clutch disc for the 5th gen because the 5th gen disc is actually cheaper than the 4th gen. Otherwise I'll just install the parts I already have.
12-02-2004, 07:31 PM
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DAVEB reccomends the 30210-89F00 as the 30210-2Y920 is smaller in diamter.
JSutter, did you get the misc. parts from Nissan? If so, do you have the part numbers for them too?
JSutter, did you get the misc. parts from Nissan? If so, do you have the part numbers for them too?
12-02-2004, 08:08 PM
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axle seals (non LSD) 38342-81X00 and 38342-81X01 $8.59 each
Y pipe gaskets 20691-38U00 $5.97 each
rear main seal 12296-31U20 $52.34 each
(Terran told there is another part needed for the rear main seal. "With the RMS did you get the little rubber piece that fits in the groove at the bottom? It's sold seperately and the Dumb@$$ dealer told me nothing about it." I didnt need the rear main seal so I have no idea what part hes talking about.)
yea I got raped on those prices (all list price) but I dont care since I got a deal on the actual clutch.
Here is the clutch parts again but with prices
clutch disc 30100-40U14 $65.59 (list $96.79)
Throwout bearing 30502-41U20 $25.22 (list $42.14)
clutch cover (pressure plate) 30210-89F00 $109.41 (list $129.10)
I got a quote from Courtesy Nissan in TX and brought the prices to my local Nissan dealer. They sold me the parts no problem at the lower price.
Y pipe gaskets 20691-38U00 $5.97 each
rear main seal 12296-31U20 $52.34 each
(Terran told there is another part needed for the rear main seal. "With the RMS did you get the little rubber piece that fits in the groove at the bottom? It's sold seperately and the Dumb@$$ dealer told me nothing about it." I didnt need the rear main seal so I have no idea what part hes talking about.)
yea I got raped on those prices (all list price) but I dont care since I got a deal on the actual clutch.
Here is the clutch parts again but with prices
clutch disc 30100-40U14 $65.59 (list $96.79)
Throwout bearing 30502-41U20 $25.22 (list $42.14)
clutch cover (pressure plate) 30210-89F00 $109.41 (list $129.10)
I got a quote from Courtesy Nissan in TX and brought the prices to my local Nissan dealer. They sold me the parts no problem at the lower price.
12-02-2004, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JSutter
axle seals (non LSD) 38342-81X00 and 38342-81X01 $8.59 each
Y pipe gaskets 20691-38U00 $5.97 each
rear main seal 12296-31U20 $52.34 each
Y pipe gaskets 20691-38U00 $5.97 each
rear main seal 12296-31U20 $52.34 each
12-02-2004, 08:15 PM
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DAVEB reccomends the 30210-89F00 as the 30210-2Y920 is smaller in diamter.
JSutter, did you get the misc. parts from Nissan? If so, do you have the part numbers for them too?
JSutter, did you get the misc. parts from Nissan? If so, do you have the part numbers for them too?
12-02-2004, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by VeeQueue
Thats good to know. Was there a discussion on the clutch disc themselves? Any perceived visual differences/advantange of the 5th gen over 4th gen?
Nah, I just emailed DAVEB and asked him about the two different 5th gen clutch disc. Right now, there is not that much info on this mod, supposely it clamps harder then the 4th gen clutch disk. The few that have passed breakin period says it is a awesome mod. I usually hold reservations on new mods, especially clutches. Visually, I have never seen any clutch disk so I cannot help you there.
JSutter
Thanks for the info.
12-03-2004, 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by 96stillen_max
what were all thoes parts for? something seperate from the clutch install that you were replacing at the same time?
12-03-2004, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 96stillen_max
what were all thoes parts for? something seperate from the clutch install that you were replacing at the same time?
I have put just over 300 miles on this clutch and I can tell its going to kick some major *** once I can beat on her a bit.
12-09-2004, 01:32 PM
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update.....it broke!
haha, nah it's great. I'm up to 430 miles and I'll admit it. I have done a few WOT runs. No clutch slipping, no wheel traction, no kidding. Time to upgrade my rubber. I did some searching and the 2k pressure plate has 200 lbs more clamping force over the 4th gen unit. The pedal of course is fine, not too hard and not super soft. I really like it. I have a good feeling my 1/4 mile times will change a greate deal. To bad I have to wait til April
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there is another thread started with some good info also. If you're interested in this upgrade read it.
http://www.forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=360332
haha, nah it's great. I'm up to 430 miles and I'll admit it. I have done a few WOT runs. No clutch slipping, no wheel traction, no kidding. Time to upgrade my rubber. I did some searching and the 2k pressure plate has 200 lbs more clamping force over the 4th gen unit. The pedal of course is fine, not too hard and not super soft. I really like it. I have a good feeling my 1/4 mile times will change a greate deal. To bad I have to wait til April
.there is another thread started with some good info also. If you're interested in this upgrade read it.
http://www.forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=360332
12-09-2004, 02:42 PM
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Holy shyte, you just scared the crap out of me...I just ordered the parts today!!!
I got the set-up for just over $200 like you (Thank you Jerry Rome). Wow...not cool...haha
I got the set-up for just over $200 like you (Thank you Jerry Rome). Wow...not cool...haha
12-09-2004, 04:29 PM
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Pressure Plate 30210-89F00 -- $97.37
Throwout Bearing 30502-41U20 -- $29.08
Clutch Disk 30100-2Y904 -- $65.20
I decided to go with the 5th gen. clutch disk too.^^ I'm not doing this by myself, but since I was going away from the "stock" parts, my mechanic wanted me to gather all the parts needed. I don't think I have control over the gear fluid, but I probably will request a certain kind if you have a suggestion..
Throwout Bearing 30502-41U20 -- $29.08
Clutch Disk 30100-2Y904 -- $65.20
I decided to go with the 5th gen. clutch disk too.^^ I'm not doing this by myself, but since I was going away from the "stock" parts, my mechanic wanted me to gather all the parts needed. I don't think I have control over the gear fluid, but I probably will request a certain kind if you have a suggestion..
12-09-2004, 04:37 PM
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By the way, my local Nissan dealership also honored the prices found on Jerry Rome Nissan...I feel bad not giving them the buisness, but they saved me a load of cash. I saved about $25 off of the prices the dealership was going to give me.
12-09-2004, 08:47 PM
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For the fluid get GL-4 not matter what. everything else is bad for our trannies. Look for Redline Synthetic 75W90 MT-90 or Redline Synthetic 75W80W MTL, Amsoil Synthetic 80W90 Gear Lube (AGT) or AMSOIL Synthetic 80W90 Lower Unit Gear Lube (ALU), or any GL-4 specific gear lube. Never ever use GL-5 EVER!
12-10-2004, 10:06 AM
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i got a chance to really give the 5th gen clutch assembly a thorough test last night. i was driving around and found another 4th gen 
this thing grips like crazy. yesterday i was having some doubts but last night set me straight. i did a really hard launch on it and. then came the 1-2 shift with a ton of wheel hop and then every shift after that just went really nicely.
you have no idea how nice this is after having that damn key value clutch for 5 months.
this thing grips like crazy. yesterday i was having some doubts but last night set me straight. i did a really hard launch on it and. then came the 1-2 shift with a ton of wheel hop and then every shift after that just went really nicely.
you have no idea how nice this is after having that damn key value clutch for 5 months.
