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#41
Really? I said I own a VQ? Where? I said I raced against plenty and took my friend's VQ to the limit. Thats more than enough data required to make my conclusion on the stock performance differences between the 2. Even the later gens can't pass my VE on top end(which is also my friends car now) You said the 4th gen is heavier? Really? Please show me where you got this information from. I can show you otherwise if you want. Everyone on here knows that the 4th gen is lighter than the 3rd, if not the lightest Maxima of them all. The trunk is the weight of a feather. I especially like how it rattles even without prior accidents You say the VQ is bulletproof, but since when are aluminum engines stronger than iron ones? Hm? These VTC issues your talking about.. Don't know about you, but my friend has been driving for 100k with ungrounded ticking VTC's and I hear people all the time making it to 300k like that no problem. 7200rpm? Really? Hm, not too sure about that one big guy. I saw something along the lines of 6500 give or take on my friends tach. You sure you reading the thing the right way? This might help..
VQ30DE
The 3.0 L (2987 cc) VQ30DE has a bore and stroke of 93 mm and 73.3 mm respectively with a compression ratio of 10.0:1. It produces 193 PS (142 kW; 190 hp) to 230 PS (170 kW; 230 hp) @ 6900 rpm and 205 to 217 lb·ft (278 to 294 N·m) @4400 rpm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_VQ_engine
So yeah, that looks a bit off from what you were saying. I can guarantee all the other things you were saying and will say are going to be in tune with the information you provided about the weight of the vehicles, the gearing, the rpm, etc.
P.S. - The VE had a limited slip diff
VQ30DE
The 3.0 L (2987 cc) VQ30DE has a bore and stroke of 93 mm and 73.3 mm respectively with a compression ratio of 10.0:1. It produces 193 PS (142 kW; 190 hp) to 230 PS (170 kW; 230 hp) @ 6900 rpm and 205 to 217 lb·ft (278 to 294 N·m) @4400 rpm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_VQ_engine
So yeah, that looks a bit off from what you were saying. I can guarantee all the other things you were saying and will say are going to be in tune with the information you provided about the weight of the vehicles, the gearing, the rpm, etc.
P.S. - The VE had a limited slip diff
Last edited by vqmaxman; 02-23-2012 at 02:36 AM.
#42
Really? I said I own a VQ? Where? I said I raced against plenty and took my friend's VQ to the limit. Thats more than enough data required to make my conclusion on the stock performance differences between the 2. Even the later gens can't pass my VE on top end(which is also my friends car now) You said the 4th gen is heavier? Really? Please show me where you got this information from. I can show you otherwise if you want. Everyone on here knows that the 4th gen is lighter than the 3rd, if not the lightest Maxima of them all. The trunk is the weight of a feather. I especially like how it rattles even without prior accidents You say the VQ is bulletproof, but since when are aluminum engines stronger than iron ones? Hm? These VTC issues your talking about.. Don't know about you, but my friend has been driving for 100k with ungrounded ticking VTC's and I hear people all the time making it to 300k like that no problem. 7200rpm? Really? Hm, not too sure about that one big guy. I saw something along the lines of 6500 give or take on my friends tach. You sure you reading the thing the right way? This might help.. http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...n-maxima-6.htm
VQ30DE
The 3.0 L (2987 cc) VQ30DE has a bore and stroke of 93 mm and 73.3 mm respectively with a compression ratio of 10.0:1. It produces 193 PS (142 kW; 190 hp) to 230 PS (170 kW; 230 hp) @ 6400 rpm and 205 to 217 lb·ft (278 to 294 N·m) @4400 rpm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_VQ_engine
So yeah, that looks a bit off from what you were saying. I can guarantee all the other things you were saying and will say are going to be in tune with the information you provided about the weight of the vehicles, the gearing, the rpm, etc.
P.S. - The VE had a limited slip diff
VQ30DE
The 3.0 L (2987 cc) VQ30DE has a bore and stroke of 93 mm and 73.3 mm respectively with a compression ratio of 10.0:1. It produces 193 PS (142 kW; 190 hp) to 230 PS (170 kW; 230 hp) @ 6400 rpm and 205 to 217 lb·ft (278 to 294 N·m) @4400 rpm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_VQ_engine
So yeah, that looks a bit off from what you were saying. I can guarantee all the other things you were saying and will say are going to be in tune with the information you provided about the weight of the vehicles, the gearing, the rpm, etc.
P.S. - The VE had a limited slip diff
Last edited by vqmaxman; 02-23-2012 at 02:16 AM.
#43
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...n-maxima-6.htm
If the autos are the same on the 3rd gens as they are on the 4th gens than why do they reccomend the 3rd gen with the auto with a matic-c fluid not the auto with a matic-D fluid. The fluids changed cause the gears in the trannies changed and so did the ratios. I will find the manuals type. http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...n-maxima-6.htm
If the autos are the same on the 3rd gens as they are on the 4th gens than why do they reccomend the 3rd gen with the auto with a matic-c fluid not the auto with a matic-D fluid. The fluids changed cause the gears in the trannies changed and so did the ratios. I will find the manuals type. http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...n-maxima-6.htm
Last edited by vqmaxman; 02-23-2012 at 02:00 AM.
#44
lux97 what are you gonna get in the car. I tried to get every site to see if they still carry some jdm VE I don't see any yet.I went to all the sites I can think of and they don't have them there they are rare dude. I would get it rebuild or get it off of someone here on the forums. The JY engine is a risk to take on your own,because you won't know what was wrong untill you hook it up or you spend money to pick it apart and check it out.
#45
The Fed spec can hit 7000 rpm stock, I can my fed spec, other fed specs can hit 7000 rpm the late 97-99 maximas can hit the redlines. The VQ are more relaible than the VE,because Ve's start smoking burning oil like the 3.5 or if that car has been driven hard to the ground.I wouldn't see a VQ do that. I always ask myself why I see so many of the VE thrown away out in JY most of them are in perfect condition. I will agree that the only problem on the VQ was there alternators in the 98 had a recall catching on fire issue blame nissan for going cheap on many things and the coil pack issues on the 99. the knock sensors issues and the o2 sensors on the 95-96 maximas. The 99 se-ls are the only ones that have the LSD and TCS. I am still looking for the gear ratio specs.
Do you have any idea how many 4th gens I see at the junkyards? And the extent to which they outnumber 3rd gens? Do you think I'm ignorant enough to come to the conclusion that the 3rd gen must therefore be more reliable than the 4th?
C'mon man, really, you've displayed a rather large misunderstanding/ignorance and exaggeration factor here here and you can't "win" this e-debate. Frankly I really don't care what you think of the VE and this age-old VE/VQ thing has been beaten to death long before you popped in, but your sheer ignorance and being flat out wrong on several key things really kind of irks me
#46
It's clear you know little about the VE, seeing as you didn't even know what transmissions were available for that engine.
Greeny had over 300k miles on his VE, and it was a ****ing hotrod, until the synchros in his transmission blew up.
all this **** you keep talking regarding the VE is due to poor maintenance, not the engine.
now, where's my coffee...
#47
make up your damned mind. either the VE didn't with an auto (which it did), or it did (which it did).
It's clear you know little about the VE, seeing as you didn't even know what transmissions were available for that engine.
Greeny had over 300k miles on his VE, and it was a ****ing hotrod, until the synchros in his transmission blew up.
all this **** you keep talking regarding the VE is due to poor maintenance, not the engine.
now, where's my coffee...
It's clear you know little about the VE, seeing as you didn't even know what transmissions were available for that engine.
Greeny had over 300k miles on his VE, and it was a ****ing hotrod, until the synchros in his transmission blew up.
all this **** you keep talking regarding the VE is due to poor maintenance, not the engine.
now, where's my coffee...
#48
Lol you seriously are just making things up and/or are delusional. VE's smoking and oil consumption issues? You can make a point with the VTC's but it's a real stretch to claim the VE has oil consumption issues like the 3.5 in fact I can't even remember the last time, if any, I've heard about about 3.5ish oil consumption issues on anybody's VE on here.
Do you have any idea how many 4th gens I see at the junkyards? And the extent to which they outnumber 3rd gens? Do you think I'm ignorant enough to come to the conclusion that the 3rd gen must therefore be more reliable than the 4th?
C'mon man, really, you've displayed a rather large misunderstanding/ignorance and exaggeration factor here here and you can't "win" this e-debate. Frankly I really don't care what you think of the VE and this age-old VE/VQ thing has been beaten to death long before you popped in, but your sheer ignorance and being flat out wrong on several key things really kind of irks me
Do you have any idea how many 4th gens I see at the junkyards? And the extent to which they outnumber 3rd gens? Do you think I'm ignorant enough to come to the conclusion that the 3rd gen must therefore be more reliable than the 4th?
C'mon man, really, you've displayed a rather large misunderstanding/ignorance and exaggeration factor here here and you can't "win" this e-debate. Frankly I really don't care what you think of the VE and this age-old VE/VQ thing has been beaten to death long before you popped in, but your sheer ignorance and being flat out wrong on several key things really kind of irks me
#49
I just spent the last 30 minutes trying to find evidence of this severe problem of oil consumption on the ve30de.
I found three people (four, if we include the OP, which hasn't actually indicated he has this problem) who have had real oil consumption issues. all three can be attributed to poor maintenance, or to some other random issue.
I have found three THOUSAND issues on the vq series of engine, all pointing to it being a real problem.
in short, you know ****, and your bunghole is spewing misinformation.
I found three people (four, if we include the OP, which hasn't actually indicated he has this problem) who have had real oil consumption issues. all three can be attributed to poor maintenance, or to some other random issue.
I have found three THOUSAND issues on the vq series of engine, all pointing to it being a real problem.
in short, you know ****, and your bunghole is spewing misinformation.
#52
I just spent the last 30 minutes trying to find evidence of this severe problem of oil consumption on the ve30de.
I found three people (four, if we include the OP, which hasn't actually indicated he has this problem) who have had real oil consumption issues. all three can be attributed to poor maintenance, or to some other random issue.
I have found three THOUSAND issues on the vq series of engine, all pointing to it being a real problem.
in short, you know ****, and your bunghole is spewing misinformation.
I found three people (four, if we include the OP, which hasn't actually indicated he has this problem) who have had real oil consumption issues. all three can be attributed to poor maintenance, or to some other random issue.
I have found three THOUSAND issues on the vq series of engine, all pointing to it being a real problem.
in short, you know ****, and your bunghole is spewing misinformation.
#54
I know the Op he is from my area and we know the motor is and was consumtioning oil and the Ve are a problem thousand times more than the Vq. I don't see or here any 30 going down due to oil consumption. The 3rd and 4th gens have all kinds of problems for both motors. I am not misinforming anything here. I think your know **** about vq's and there problems. I WILL LET THE OP CHIM IN.
Four. compared to three thousand for the VQ-thirty that I found.
point for me regarding facts.
#56
my problem was not that my motor was having oil consumption problems that is false, it had a MASSIVE rear main seal leak, that led me to having to add oil, it alslo had a bad piston ring the problem which was due to VERY BAD MAINTENANCE on the previous owners part. it would only blow blue smoke upon start up i would have to let it warm up and it was fine, vqmaxman doesn't know what he is talking about.
Last edited by lux97Max; 02-23-2012 at 03:49 PM.
#57
my problem was not that my motor was having oil consumption problems that is false, it had a MASSIVE rear main seal leak, that led me to having to add oil, it alslo had a bad piston ring the problem which was due to VERY BAD MAINTENANCE on the previous owners part. it would only blow blue smoke upon start up i would have to let it warm up and it was fine, vqmaxman doesn't know what he is talking about.
#58
Point me to the facts were there was a 30 vq with a three thousand issue name you can't there is none, forcept normal wear and tear issues. When did the vq 30 go bad with there oil consumption none again.
#60
#61
Um, there was what truth and where I realize and I know the truth, I even no more than you so stop trying score points off of me and get a engine and just stop talking. WHAT YOUR GONNA DRIVE ON HOPES AND DREAMS.
#62
make up your damned mind. either the VE didn't with an auto (which it did), or it did (which it did).
It's clear you know little about the VE, seeing as you didn't even know what transmissions were available for that engine.
Greeny had over 300k miles on his VE, and it was a ****ing hotrod, until the synchros in his transmission blew up.
all this **** you keep talking regarding the VE is due to poor maintenance, not the engine.
now, where's my coffee...
It's clear you know little about the VE, seeing as you didn't even know what transmissions were available for that engine.
Greeny had over 300k miles on his VE, and it was a ****ing hotrod, until the synchros in his transmission blew up.
all this **** you keep talking regarding the VE is due to poor maintenance, not the engine.
now, where's my coffee...
#63
vqmaxman, give it up.. I hope you get to meet a good running VE one day with a driver willing to show you what it's all about. Till then, you don't know enough about our cars to even try to prove something here. This will be a good experience for you to open up your mind a bit(if your smart that is), weather you admit it to us or not. VQ guys who actually knew what they were talking about in hundreds of these VE vs VQ debates, still got nowhere. There was a nice official chart many years ago here on the org, but not on the forums, on the site itself and it compared the VG, VE, and VQ. It showed all the technologies that the VE had that the VQ did not. It also showed dyno sheets that showed exactly how the VE chews up the VQ in the top end. After 4600 rpm if I remember correctly. The VE came with a Variable Intake manifold, something the VQ30DE doesn't have, and thats why 4th gen guys all run to get those MEVI/00vi mods cause their top end sucks without it. The VE comes with one ready to go. Here this is for you.. Remember, you car can't do this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S1F7P66Pmo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S1F7P66Pmo
#65
vqmaxman, give it up.. I hope you get to meet a good running VE one day with a driver willing to show you what it's all about. Till then, you don't know enough about our cars to even try to prove something here. This will be a good experience for you to open up your mind a bit(if your smart that is), weather you admit it to us or not. VQ guys who actually knew what they were talking about in hundreds of these VE vs VQ debates, still got nowhere. There was a nice official chart many years ago here on the org, but not on the forums, on the site itself and it compared the VG, VE, and VQ. It showed all the technologies that the VE had that the VQ did not. It also showed dyno sheets that showed exactly how the VE chews up the VQ in the top end. After 4600 rpm if I remember correctly. The VE came with a Variable Intake manifold, something the VQ30DE doesn't have, and thats why 4th gen guys all run to get those MEVI/00vi mods cause their top end sucks without it. The VE comes with one ready to go. Here this is for you.. Remember, you car can't do this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S1F7P66Pmo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S1F7P66Pmo
#67
The VE was the template for the VQ. Its was like the prototype. They realize their mistakes, flaws and space for improvement thus revising it with the VQ30. The oil pump failure for a VE is very rare (not that it doesn't happen) the only draw back with the motor was the VTC tick. The coil pack thing is normal for any motor with direct coil ignition. vqmax your going back and forth with with owners/ gurus who have owned their cars for over 10 years.
Hah. I just realized something. The ppl who own 3rd & 4th gens or go to 4th gens from 3rd gens own VGs (columbianmax, cmax03, jeremeep, etc...). Can't recall one person with a VE owning a VQ30 or going to a VQ30.
Hah. I just realized something. The ppl who own 3rd & 4th gens or go to 4th gens from 3rd gens own VGs (columbianmax, cmax03, jeremeep, etc...). Can't recall one person with a VE owning a VQ30 or going to a VQ30.
Last edited by maximo018; 02-23-2012 at 07:58 PM.
#69
ahem.. ok If the VQ lacked the VTC, but if you only knew there was a IACV that will make up for it, I have done it and it works. The adjustment on the IACV valve will set the TPS electronically to open the plate at a blank point range. this causing the valves to work twices as hard as it was supposed to work at factory ratings. This why there are two cables one for the driver to accelerate with and the other for the car to adjust its idling to give the boost that the engine is looking for.
#71
The VE was the template for the VQ. Its was like the prototype. They realize their mistakes, flaws and space for improvement thus revising it with the VQ30. The oil pump failure for a VE is very rare (not that it doesn't happen) the only draw back with the motor was the VTC tick. The coil pack thing is normal for any motor with direct coil ignition. vqmax your going back and forth with with owners/ gurus who have owned their cars for over 10 years.
Hah. I just realized something. The ppl who own 3rd & 4th gens or go to 4th gens from 3rd gens own VGs (columbianmax, cmax03, jeremeep, etc...). Can't recall one person with a VE owning a VQ30 or going to a VQ30.
Hah. I just realized something. The ppl who own 3rd & 4th gens or go to 4th gens from 3rd gens own VGs (columbianmax, cmax03, jeremeep, etc...). Can't recall one person with a VE owning a VQ30 or going to a VQ30.
#72
yeah... still not english.
(helpful hint: use a single thought per sentence. In your superiority, you forgot us lowly beings are only capable of following one train of thought without proper punctuation and grammar. ****, there's three half sentences in the first sentence of your last reply to me)
(helpful hint: use a single thought per sentence. In your superiority, you forgot us lowly beings are only capable of following one train of thought without proper punctuation and grammar. ****, there's three half sentences in the first sentence of your last reply to me)
#73
ahem.. ok If the VQ lacked the VTC, but if you only knew there was a IACV that will make up for it, I have done it and it works. The adjustment on the IACV valve will set the TPS electronically to open the plate at a blank point range. this causing the valves to work twices as hard as it was supposed to work at factory ratings. This why there are two cables one for the driver to accelerate with and the other for the car to adjust its idling to give the boost that the engine is looking for.
my vg30e maxima has an IACV.
my Lexus SC400 has an IACV.
every Supra I have onwed (all from before 1990) had an IACV.
my brother's Ford f-150 has an IACV.
my brother's 1987 Camaro has an IACV.
I think I have made my point regarding the Idle Air Control Valve (which controls air for idle speed, as the name implies).
next: The TPS is set, and has to be adjusted manually (not sure if the VQ is actually adjustable, as a few cars aren't. Every honda i have touched technically isn't, but most cars are.) The sole job of the TPS is to tell the ECU how far your foot has pulled the throttle's butterfly valve open. It does absolutely nothing else.
as to the rest of your blatherings , idfk what you're talking about, as the only work the valves do is open and close. They aren't being subjected to charged air conditions (at least, not as any part of this conversation).
They aren't under any MORE stress at WOT with a properly functioning system than they are at WOT with a non-functional system
oh, and last time I was under the hood, I didn't see any weird cables runnign from the tps to the iacv. I saw the throttle cable, and the cruise control cable.
you should just put the spliff down, and never touch the **** again. it's quite obvious that IF you ever knew what you're talking about, that time is no longer.
Last edited by BenStoked; 02-24-2012 at 06:18 AM.
#74
my problem was not that my motor was having oil consumption problems that is false, it had a MASSIVE rear main seal leak, that led me to having to add oil, it alslo had a bad piston ring the problem which was due to VERY BAD MAINTENANCE on the previous owners part. it would only blow blue smoke upon start up i would have to let it warm up and it was fine, vqmaxman doesn't know what he is talking about.
#75
IT's the rings not the seals,because the car was warmed up and the car continuesly blows blue smoke. THe car would blow smoke when it was driven and at idle. The car was blowing smoke at all times.
#76
yeah... still not english.
(helpful hint: use a single thought per sentence. In your superiority, you forgot us lowly beings are only capable of following one train of thought without proper punctuation and grammar. ****, there's three half sentences in the first sentence of your last reply to me)
(helpful hint: use a single thought per sentence. In your superiority, you forgot us lowly beings are only capable of following one train of thought without proper punctuation and grammar. ****, there's three half sentences in the first sentence of your last reply to me)
#79
alright, so now that I have had some coffee, I shall pwn you.
my vg30e maxima has an IACV.
my Lexus SC400 has an IACV.
every Supra I have onwed (all from before 1990) had an IACV.
my brother's Ford f-150 has an IACV.
my brother's 1987 Camaro has an IACV.
I think I have made my point regarding the Idle Air Control Valve (which controls air for idle speed, as the name implies).
next: The TPS is set, and has to be adjusted manually (not sure if the VQ is actually adjustable, as a few cars aren't. Every honda i have touched technically isn't, but most cars are.) The sole job of the TPS is to tell the ECU how far your foot has pulled the throttle's butterfly valve open. It does absolutely nothing else.
as to the rest of your blatherings , idfk what you're talking about, as the only work the valves do is open and close. They aren't being subjected to charged air conditions (at least, not as any part of this conversation).
They aren't under any MORE stress at WOT with a properly functioning system than they are at WOT with a non-functional system
oh, and last time I was under the hood, I didn't see any weird cables runnign from the tps to the iacv. I saw the throttle cable, and the cruise control cable.
you should just put the spliff down, and never touch the **** again. it's quite obvious that IF you ever knew what you're talking about, that time is no longer.
my vg30e maxima has an IACV.
my Lexus SC400 has an IACV.
every Supra I have onwed (all from before 1990) had an IACV.
my brother's Ford f-150 has an IACV.
my brother's 1987 Camaro has an IACV.
I think I have made my point regarding the Idle Air Control Valve (which controls air for idle speed, as the name implies).
next: The TPS is set, and has to be adjusted manually (not sure if the VQ is actually adjustable, as a few cars aren't. Every honda i have touched technically isn't, but most cars are.) The sole job of the TPS is to tell the ECU how far your foot has pulled the throttle's butterfly valve open. It does absolutely nothing else.
as to the rest of your blatherings , idfk what you're talking about, as the only work the valves do is open and close. They aren't being subjected to charged air conditions (at least, not as any part of this conversation).
They aren't under any MORE stress at WOT with a properly functioning system than they are at WOT with a non-functional system
oh, and last time I was under the hood, I didn't see any weird cables runnign from the tps to the iacv. I saw the throttle cable, and the cruise control cable.
you should just put the spliff down, and never touch the **** again. it's quite obvious that IF you ever knew what you're talking about, that time is no longer.
#80
I made a typo about the butterfly valves there is one for the cruise cable and one for the accelerator. I was saying there are cars out there that have the adjustable Iacv and I know my VG had it and I was saying VE don't have it because there mannifolds don't need it and there vtc is somewhat make up for it. To pwn you know yes, vq are adjustable that's what I am using on my car now and it's moving rapidly quick than it's supposed to.