How to swap to digital gauge?

chrome91 · 11-02-2009, 03:23 PM

I did a search but i couldnt find how to do it. At the junkyard the 2nd gens usually have digital gauges, but i never saw a 3rd gen with one there yet. There was a white Brougham there, the digital gauge was still there and in great shape, and someone already took half of the plastic trim off so it was easy to get.

My 92 GXE's gauge cluster is messed, RPM cuts in maybe 1/50th of the time and the temperature gauge works maybe half. Is it a straight swap to go to digital with the same wiring harnesses or is there more to it?

Phatmatt · 11-02-2009, 03:47 PM

There's more to it, I know you need some kind of control box, and a different fuel sending unit(i think) and other stuff which i don't remember.

It's not plug and play if you just have the cluster. That I know.

chrome91 · 11-02-2009, 03:51 PM

kinda what i thought, theyre hard to find here and i paid 15 bucks for the cluster so it was still worth it. i'll check what parts i need and i might get around to swapping it in the winter

*BenStoked* · 11-02-2009, 04:36 PM

yeah, the wiring is different, and the fuel sender is different. I have a lot of the wiring figured out (in theory), in an excel spread sheet, attached to this post.

if anyone notices something wrong, post it, please!

edit: added diagrams to clarify some stuff.

*CapedCadaver* · 11-02-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BenStoked

yeah, the wiring is different, and the fuel sender is different. I have a lot of the wiring figured out (in theory), in an excel spread sheet, attached to this post.

if anyone notices something wrong, post it, please!

edit: added diagrams to clarify some stuff.

test it... that pic is HUGE lol.

*BenStoked* · 11-02-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CapedCadaver

test it... that pic is HUGE lol.

Which one? I just tested with my screen @ 1024x768, and, yes they were both big, but not "huge"...

*CapedCadaver* · 11-02-2009, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BenStoked

Which one? I just tested with my screen @ 1024x768, and, yes they were both big, but not "huge"...

on my screen the pic of the back of the gauge cluster was like... 100x taller than normal but no wider than normal.

*BenStoked* · 11-02-2009, 06:18 PM

huh... fine on my pc.
mebe it's the way it was saved, or you computer is brokeded (again)

*CapedCadaver* · 11-02-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BenStoked

huh... fine on my pc.
mebe it's the way it was saved, or you computer is brokeded (again)

or it may be b/c i'm using windows 7 and office 2010 beta

*BenStoked* · 11-02-2009, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CapedCadaver

or it may be b/c i'm using windows 7 and office 2010 beta

no, just the o2k10beta. I'm using w7uX64-rtm, & o2k7 (saved as xls for compatibility).
(time for someone to submit a bug report?)

*CapedCadaver* · 11-02-2009, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BenStoked

no, just the o2k10beta. I'm using w7uX64-rtm, & o2k7 (saved as xls for compatibility).
(time for someone to submit a bug report?)

meh... i'm not supposed to have it anyways

ibfedsknockingonmydoor

chrome91 · 11-03-2009, 12:53 PM

stupid question but im guessing the digital gauge pod is the same shape/fit as the normal pod right?

*CapedCadaver* · 11-03-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by chrome91

stupid question but im guessing the digital gauge pod is the same shape/fit as the normal pod right?

as far as physically fitting in the same main dash area, yea, i think so. i know they are on the z31 (digi vs analog), presumably the same thing for most cars with multiple cluster options.

chrome91 · 11-03-2009, 01:12 PM

well that at least works, lol. what exactly would i need for the swap?

*BenStoked* · 11-03-2009, 05:04 PM

digi-cluster, the connectors for the digi-cluster with at least 6" of spare wire.

if you want to add HUD (heads up display), you will need the box for that, as well, but a digi-gauge conversion doesn't need this to function. should come with a bezel to make the appearance nicer. (I'll try to snap some more pics, later...)

GRNMAXDMON · 11-03-2009, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by chrome91

well that at least works, lol. what exactly would i need for the swap?

the HUD (heads up display) the control unit behind the cluster and all of the wiring and the fuel sending unit. and some other stuff that i can't remember since i only did the HUD conversion.

lux97Max · 11-03-2009, 05:08 PM

does any one no how to swap guages out i need work done!

Garf · 11-03-2009, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BenStoked

no, just the o2k10beta. I'm using w7uX64-rtm, & o2k7 (saved as xls for compatibility).
(time for someone to submit a bug report?)

lol.. windows.

irunmacbutimnotgonnadisswindows.....windowsis

anywhooo, there is some guy on youtube who actually did this and has videos up of a full digi swap, i'm pretty sure he has a how to somewhere up on the net. ill try and find the link

found it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqelUzwyjLk

*BenStoked* · 11-03-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by lux97Max

does any one no how to swap guages out i need work done!

This is the digi-gauge swap for a 3rd gen. doubt it would work for a 4th gen...

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Originally Posted by Garf

irunmacbutimnotgonnadisswindows.....windowsis

I thought you weren't gonna dis windows.....

lol

Garf · 11-03-2009, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BenStoked

This is the digi-gauge swap for a 3rd gen. doubt it would work for a 4th gen...

I thought you weren't gonna dis windows.....

lol

i'm not sorry haha http://www.apple.com/getamac/

OP do you have a 4th gen or 3rd gen? i'm getting confused now, if you have a 4th gen i have no experience w/ dash stuff.

chrome91 · 11-03-2009, 09:55 PM

i have a 3rd gen, why else would i be posting in the 3rd gen section and have 92 GXE under my username and in my sig

lol

something i'm for sure going to do, i just have to finish up my Sparco seat build and i should get around to this next month

burhan92SE · 11-04-2009, 03:41 AM

Hectic did the swap and i have the whole wiring with connectors sitting in the box jus not getting the dAm time to work on it. Anyways, u will be better off getting The whole wiring behind the dash from the max u got that cluster. Just pull the whole thing out and swap in ur max. Does ur max have auto climate control or manual? Either way its not hard but time consuming. U will need a fuel level sending unit from the same max other wise ur fuel gauge will give u false readings or u can jus swap the whole fuel pump from the same max and if u Dont feel like putting the hud jus dont cut the hole in ur dash and leave it unplugged otherwise get ready to pull the whole dash out and make the exact hole for the hud to fit. Gud luck

and my vg is still dere if u need a part/project car

Garf · 11-04-2009, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by chrome91

i have a 3rd gen, why else would i be posting in the 3rd gen section and have 92 GXE under my username and in my sig

lol

something i'm for sure going to do, i just have to finish up my Sparco seat build and i should get around to this next month

Benstoked's post that i quoted in my prev. post says something about a fourth gen. so i figured i might have missed something in there. but that youtube link is for a 3rd gen so still relevant.

chrome91 · 11-04-2009, 11:42 AM

your Brougham already has digital gauges too, my Sparco seat stuff already has totaled near $1500 so im stripped of cash lol

i dunno if i want to grab the wiring, its so fkn muddy at the junkyard from plows bringing out cars. Its nice out today though and gonna be 15c tomorrow so i might drop by there now and see whats good, i might grab the wiring Saturday. You have to take the WHOLE dash apart?

amansour14 · 11-04-2009, 12:02 PM

That is all what I wanted to know ..
thank you so much

chrome91 · 11-04-2009, 01:23 PM

Burhan, my climate control is the auto digital but i'm 80% sure the Brougham i took the digital gauge cluster out of had the manual CCU

burhan92SE · 11-04-2009, 06:26 PM

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Burhan, my climate control is the auto digital but i'm 80% sure the Brougham i took the digital gauge cluster out of had the manual CCU

how can brougham has manual stuff? it suppose to be a FULLY LOADED model no matter wat....go check again and make sure if it has digi ACC (auto climate control) or manual...it should have adjustable suspension, ACC, Digital gauges, Leather seats, and keypads on the door...and yes u need to take the whole dash out to get the whole wiring with harnesses and again dont forget to get the fuel pump from the car which has digi gauges....might as well get it from the same car u r getting the wiring from....other wise u r gonna have to get it from the parts store or deal wit false readings on ur cluster or if u have a good knowledge in electric stuff then u r gonna have to study the fsm wiring and put some resistors and do some modification but i wouldn't recommend doing that since u can jus swap the fuel pump and get over wit it....

i duno where the heck is hectic since he have done it already and could give some gud tips....but i know FOR 100% SURE that it is alot of work and if its ur DD then go figure something out lol...

chrome91 · 11-04-2009, 06:39 PM

it had leather seats for sure and the adjustable suspension but it might be another 3rd gen there im thinking of with a manual CCU