Shaking Violently In Reverse

[VEvolution]

Unfortunately I've been trying to sell the VE for sometime now, but was just curious as what you guys might think is up with my tranny when trying to move in reverse.

When I throw it in reverse, it shifts smooth and all, and stays in gear well, backs up fine to the first few feet, then the tranny starts shaking. Then some more. Then even more. Harder, harder, till it gets to the point where it feels like it's gonna fall out from underneath the car, and the whole car is vibrating intensely. If you try to accelerate even faster, it will stall. I once backed up really fast, just to see what would happen, and the wheels just locked up completely, leaving skid marks on the ground, and my head almost flew off. And that all happened because the car decided to stall, while I was going 10mph with the wheels locking up cause it was still in gear. Im assuming, what ever part keeps the car from stalling in reverse when your foot isn't on the clutch is broken or something. Thats my take on it. Mind you, the car will not stall but just shake badly if you do it slowly, and every other gear works just fine, minus the worn clutch.

Any insight? Thanks.

[CMax03]

check your engine and transmission mounts..... as well as your driveshafts cv joints!

[VEvolution]

Originally Posted by CMax03

check your engine and transmission mounts..... as well as your driveshafts cv joints!

I replaced the axels with rebuilt NAPA ones, awhile back. The tranny and engine mounts are definatly shot, but this only happens in reverse.

[CMax03]

Fix it and it'll probably stop! WHY DOES UNBALANCED TIRES ALWAYS VIBRATE EXCESSIVELY BETWEEN 60-70 MPH? ????

[Matt93SE]

Based on his sig and avatar and such, I'm assuming he has a 5 spd.
The only thing I can think of in that case is that your bearings are shot in the tranny and there's shrapnel floating around inside the box.

you'll have to pull the tranny apart and see what's there.
any noises when going forward? does it 'growl' at all in lower gears, possibly worse under throttle?

[LvR]

There you go then - its obviously a manual! - ignore me and I will promptly go away

[Matt93SE]

No you won't. we tried that with 19993-VG30E and he still comes around.

[CapedCadaver]

Originally Posted by LvR

There you go then - its obviously a manual! - ignore me and I will promptly go away

lol i thought the part about "when your foot isn't off the clutch pedal" gave away the manual-ness



at any rate i think matt might be right about having bits and pieces jamming up inside the tranny where they don't belong. sounds like time for a new tranny unless you know how to rebuild a m/t.

[VEvolution]

Originally Posted by CMax03

Fix it and it'll probably stop!

Nooooo waayyyyy

Originally Posted by Matt93SE

Based on his sig and avatar and such, I'm assuming he has a 5 spd.
The only thing I can think of in that case is that your bearings are shot in the tranny and there's shrapnel floating around inside the box.

you'll have to pull the tranny apart and see what's there.
any noises when going forward? does it 'growl' at all in lower gears, possibly worse under throttle?

I see.. Another member actually PM'ed me and told me he had the same exact problem and nobody could ever figure it out to this day. Oh well, was just interested. Thought it might be common.

Nope.. No growling. Same sounds since I bought it 20k miles ago. Actuallyyyyy.............. Theres a "loose change" sound when I cruise in 5th on the highway, and I hear all types of chatter in those higher gears. But thats probably something totally different.

Originally Posted by CapedCadaver

at any rate i think matt might be right about having bits and pieces jamming up inside the tranny where they don't belong. sounds like time for a new tranny unless you know how to rebuild a m/t.

Yeah, I probably won't be doing this, but the new owner is free to do so (thats if there will be one)

This problem has actually started 2 years ago, but I haven't drove it much since then. Imagine one of those floating peices gets into 5 gear on the highway, and the wheels decide to lock up?

[biggz2332]

Originally Posted by VEvolution

Unfortunately I've been trying to sell the VE for sometime now, but was just curious as what you guys might think is up with my tranny when trying to move in reverse.

When I throw it in reverse, it shifts smooth and all, and stays in gear well, backs up fine to the first few feet, then the tranny starts shaking. Then some more. Then even more. Harder, harder, till it gets to the point where it feels like it's gonna fall out from underneath the car, and the whole car is vibrating intensely. If you try to accelerate even faster, it will stall. I once backed up really fast, just to see what would happen, and the wheels just locked up completely, leaving skid marks on the ground, and my head almost flew off. And that all happened because the car decided to stall, while I was going 10mph with the wheels locking up cause it was still in gear. Im assuming, what ever part keeps the car from stalling in reverse when your foot isn't on the clutch is broken or something. Thats my take on it. Mind you, the car will not stall but just shake badly if you do it slowly, and every other gear works just fine, minus the worn clutch.

Any insight? Thanks.

I have an auto, and mine does the same thing in reverse, but I figure it's a bad transmission because it doesnt shift properly while in drive, and the car has lost it's power significantly

[VEvolution]

Originally Posted by biggz2332

I have an auto, and mine does the same thing in reverse, but I figure it's a bad transmission because it doesnt shift properly while in drive, and the car has lost it's power significantly

Sounds like it's time for a 5spd swap or rebuild, but rebuilds suck in my opinion.

[CapedCadaver]

Originally Posted by VEvolution

Yeah, I probably won't be doing this, but the new owner is free to do so (thats if there will be one)

This problem has actually started 2 years ago, but I haven't drove it much since then. Imagine one of those floating peices gets into 5 gear on the highway, and the wheels decide to lock up?

er... so you're just gonna junk the car? too bad i already bought the civic then! i wouldn't have minded having a VE5 since i have a ve5 tranny i coulda just tossed on there. o well too late now.

[Matt93SE]

Originally Posted by VEvolution

I see.. Another member actually PM'ed me and told me he had the same exact problem and nobody could ever figure it out to this day. Oh well, was just interested. Thought it might be common.

Nope.. No growling. Same sounds since I bought it 20k miles ago. Actuallyyyyy.............. Theres a "loose change" sound when I cruise in 5th on the highway, and I hear all types of chatter in those higher gears. But thats probably something totally different.

Sounds more like main shaft or differential bearings then. Input shaft bearing failure is more common since it almost always spins faster than the mainshaft... but the mainshaft isn't impossible to kill bearings.

[VEvolution]

Originally Posted by CapedCadaver

er... so you're just gonna junk the car? too bad i already bought the civic then! i wouldn't have minded having a VE5 since i have a ve5 tranny i coulda just tossed on there. o well too late now.

Donation probably.. Maybe I'll get some decent tax return. Shame to see it go there.

It's all right, I think the Civic was a better choice and would spank the VE if modded properly

Originally Posted by Matt93SE

Sounds more like main shaft or differential bearings then. Input shaft bearing failure is more common since it almost always spins faster than the mainshaft... but the mainshaft isn't impossible to kill bearings.

Oh yeah, now I remember our weak input shaft bearings. The turbo guys were always complaining about them.

[CapedCadaver]

Originally Posted by VEvolution

Donation probably.. Maybe I'll get some decent tax return. Shame to see it go there.

It's all right, I think the Civic was a better choice and would spank the VE if modded properly



Oh yeah, now I remember our weak input shaft bearings. The turbo guys were always complaining about them.

eh, it's not bad, but i prefer being able to launch at 900rpm instead of >1600rpm. That and not having to use 1st gear to get over speedbumps.

[internetautomar]

Originally Posted by VEvolution

Donation probably.. Maybe I'll get some decent tax return. Shame to see it go there.

<snip>

don't bother unless you are making 6 figures.
the way it works is that you only get to write off what they sell it for from your taxes unless they "keep" it then you may be able to write off trade in value (not retail) That is if my memory serves right.
consult a tax lawyer before donating.

[VEvolution]

Originally Posted by internetautomar

don't bother unless you are making 6 figures.
the way it works is that you only get to write off what they sell it for from your taxes unless they "keep" it then you may be able to write off trade in value (not retail) That is if my memory serves right.
consult a tax lawyer before donating.

Isn't it the other way around? If your making alot of money, you wont get squat for it. I will consult indeed, thanks.

[Matt93SE]

you will get less tax credit donating it than you will spend fixing it. a tranny rebuild is $850 or so for a shop to do. a junkyard tranny is anywhere from $75 to 750, depending on where you go. you cna rebuild it yourself for about $300 with all new bearings.

honestly.... pull the tranny out of yours and open it up. FSM tells you how step by step. get it open and take a looksee at the problems. remove shrapnel and replace broken bits (bearings are about $50-80 each from nissan, depending on which one)..

[chrome91]

Originally Posted by VEvolution

It's all right, I think the Civic was a better choice and would spank the VE

[CapedCadaver]

Originally Posted by chrome91

well it's true, only because of how available mods are, and the fact that lots of stuff is bolt-on-plug-and-play kits, esp. turbo kits. The maxima is a better car in terms of comfort tho.. my civic is slightly lacking in legroom (console/steering column too close to floor)

[chrome91]

lol i just like using squinty eyes. Civic aftermarket>3rd gen Maxima aftermarket. Urban dictionary's definition for Altezza's says "the riced light you can get for every car made", 3rd gens didnt even have any aftermarket tails

hence the bishness of my Sparco seats, Sparco has no 3rd gen bases in stock and i 99.999999999999% guarantee they wont make more, to top it off they can only be welded on manual seats, not power seats hence me needing your manual seat brackets lol.

3rd gen aftermarket= fail

[CapedCadaver]

Originally Posted by chrome91

lol i just like using squinty eyes. Civic aftermarket>3rd gen Maxima aftermarket. Urban dictionary's definition for Altezza's says "the riced light you can get for every car made", 3rd gens didnt even have any aftermarket tails

hence the bishness of my Sparco seats, Sparco has no 3rd gen bases in stock and i 99.999999999999% guarantee they wont make more, to top it off they can only be welded on manual seats, not power seats hence me needing your manual seat brackets lol.

3rd gen aftermarket= fail

yea... but usually the cars with the most aftermarket are the ones that people like ricing up. the ones that the owners prefer to keep tasteful (in terms of appearance) don't get any aftermarket.. And the VE aftermarket is even worse than the VG-3rdgen aftermarket (well except for intake spacers)

[chrome91]

ive seen one scary Honda here, it was a old school JDM Accord or something, a boxy 4dr. Looked clean, but i thought it was stock and slow so i gave him the ricer look. turns out it was engine swapped, had a huge turbo, massive intercooler, and a sick BOV

at first, i was like
then i was like

but yeah, large aftermarket equals rice too. half the Hondas at pick n pull have altezzas and other rice


Sucks youre so far from me VEvolution, i'd buy that 5spd for a few hundred and keep it to do a tranny swap

[VEvolution]

Originally Posted by Matt93SE

you will get less tax credit donating it than you will spend fixing it. a tranny rebuild is $850 or so for a shop to do. a junkyard tranny is anywhere from $75 to 750, depending on where you go. you cna rebuild it yourself for about $300 with all new bearings.

honestly.... pull the tranny out of yours and open it up. FSM tells you how step by step. get it open and take a looksee at the problems. remove shrapnel and replace broken bits (bearings are about $50-80 each from nissan, depending on which one)..

Heh, thats all great and I wish I could, but the biggest problem here is NY insurance is a killer, which is why I can't keep two cars. For me, it's $1800 for 6 months from pretty much every company(liability), so it doesn't pay. Which is why my current car is not even in my name. And ATM, moneys tight and maintaining two cars is impossible let alone one.

As for the tranny surgery, I don't have a garage. Never did. It's parked in the parking lot outside of my building and it needs to be moved asap. So Im all lucked out.

Originally Posted by CapedCadaver

well it's true, only because of how available mods are, and the fact that lots of stuff is bolt-on-plug-and-play kits, esp. turbo kits. The maxima is a better car in terms of comfort tho.. my civic is slightly lacking in legroom (console/steering column too close to floor)

The chassis is overall better as well. Stiffer and better balanced.

Originally Posted by chrome91

Sucks youre so far from me VEvolution, i'd buy that 5spd for a few hundred and keep it to do a tranny swap

Wouldn't sell it for a few hundred
Theres a brand new $600 system in there aside from the engine being healthy and body being fairly clean for such an old north eastern car. Not to mention the $300 in new parts and mods that Im throwing in as well. Unless when you meant few hundred you meant no less then $900

[biggz2332]

Originally Posted by VEvolution

Sounds like it's time for a 5spd swap or rebuild, but rebuilds suck in my opinion.

and I don't have time for either thats the worst thing think imma look 4 a new one when da money comes through

[chrome91]

for some reason i thought the engine was shot too. with a good engine, you should find a buyer

[nyc_ink]

mine shakes like hell when its on drive while i step on the brakes at the light and a lil in reverse and its quiet and still on parking.
but i was told it was the mounts that are shot plus 2 bad injectors.
problem is when i get on the highway it takes way too long to accelerate and it feels like low power till it gains it and then it hauls ***. dirty MAF maybe? ( yes i have a intake cone) i hope its not my tranny -__-

[CapedCadaver]

Originally Posted by nyc_ink

mine shakes like hell when its on drive while i step on the brakes at the light and a lil in reverse and its quiet and still on parking.
but i was told it was the mounts that are shot plus 2 bad injectors.
problem is when i get on the highway it takes way too long to accelerate and it feels like low power till it gains it and then it hauls ***. dirty MAF maybe? ( yes i have a intake cone) i hope its not my tranny -__-

even with a m/t (ie, i could control what RPM i was at) i can tell you that the car will run like total crap if you have 2 bad injectors. the engine is unbalanced and the ECU is confused, so you really probably lose more than a third of your engine's power due to the inaccurate a/f feedback from the o2 when you have some cylinders that are not firing.

[nyc_ink]

Originally Posted by CapedCadaver

even with a m/t (ie, i could control what RPM i was at) i can tell you that the car will run like total crap if you have 2 bad injectors. the engine is unbalanced and the ECU is confused, so you really probably lose more than a third of your engine's power due to the inaccurate a/f feedback from the o2 when you have some cylinders that are not firing.

thanks cape i guess ill have to change them when i get to south carolina cuz im driving down this sunday, i guess ill wont make it on regular ETA ...lol

i wonna check my coil packs but dont know where they are located lol
i hope thats not what the long sticks on the spark plug cables are called -__-

[nyc_ink]

vid of my start up
http://tinypic.com/r/2dt7o7m/4

you can hear the car shake

[CapedCadaver]

Originally Posted by nyc_ink

thanks cape i guess ill have to change them when i get to south carolina cuz im driving down this sunday, i guess ill wont make it on regular ETA ...lol

i wonna check my coil packs but dont know where they are located lol
i hope thats not what the long sticks on the spark plug cables are called -__-

Originally Posted by nyc_ink

vid of my start up
http://tinypic.com/r/2dt7o7m/4

you can hear the car shake

you don't have coilpacks.. only the 92-94 SE had coilpacks (the rare 24v VE engine). all GXE and 89-91 SE had the common 12v VG engine which has regular spark plug wires, a distributor, and a single ignition coil.

at any rate, OP's shake is WAY different than yours.. his is due to loose metal bits inside the tranny jamming the gears. yours is due to an engine misfire (or two)

[VEvolution]

Originally Posted by chrome91

for some reason i thought the engine was shot too. with a good engine, you should find a buyer

Neeehhh, surprisingly nobody wants it for that price. I had a lady in my area offer me $400 but I was like no thanks

Originally Posted by CapedCadaver

(the rare 24v VE engine)

I love telling people that..

My coworkers at my last job kept tryin to make fun of me when I told them that. "ooooo the raaaareee engineeeee". Little did they know the capabilities of this motor. noobs