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My runs w/ the slicks (Video clip), new pix of the old disk
Hi Guys: Just want to update you, did couple of runs @ Lapeer Dragway, and the last two runs my Stage III clutch started slipping. It's time to get the sprung 6 puck, any way her is my Video clip, and the slips:
Nice runs. Was the CTS-V stock? Looks like you are capable of more mph if the clutch allows it. Change the clutch and then you should trap 110+..
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Thanks Neal, I slipped the clutch between 3500 & 4000RPM, and eased on the gas to keep the RPM up, my son drove the car, and slipped the clutch @ 5000 RPM, but thinks didn't give it enough gas (Kind of bogged), got 2.1 60', and trap speed 107.39 mph, and that's when he felt the clutch is slipping on top of third & fourth, and my last run after his the clutch did the same.
Neal I'm thinking of getting ACT 6 puck sprung disk, new bearing, and keep the pressure plate, your recommendation will be appreciated.
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Nice runs. Was the CTS-V stock? Looks like you are capable of more mph if the clutch allows it. Change the clutch and then you should trap 110+..
Thanks. I don't know if it is stock or not, I was looking for the driver to ask him, but was not nearby his car.
yes the stage 3 clutch is shot. The car is in the Garage washed & Covered will be out next spring, and I'm planing to get ACT 6 puck sprung disk.
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If you are on true slicks, then don't slip the clutch at launch. It heats it up and causes it to slip on its own as you saw. I think we all did the same thing on slicks the first time. Rev it up and drop it, it won't be as violent as you think it will, the slicks act differently than street tires or drag radials. Start at a lower rpm and gradually increase on each pass to find your sweet spot.
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96 Pebble Beige SE
14.2@97mph as an auto
13.7@102mph as a 5spd
12.9@106mph after 3.5 swap
11.6@120mph with the S/C
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95 White GXE- 15.1 sold... now 14.9 (car next to me in sig)
00 Sterling GXE- 15.0 (ebay intake, exhaust) my next love and beauty (crashed n sold)
02 Sterling GLE- 13.84@100 2.1'
If you are on true slicks, then don't slip the clutch at launch. It heats it up and causes it to slip on its own as you saw. I think we all did the same thing on slicks the first time. Rev it up and drop it, it won't be as violent as you think it will, the slicks act differently than street tires or drag radials. Start at a lower rpm and gradually increase on each pass to find your sweet spot.
Thanks for the info., and great #s you have.
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Im a bit confused......in ur sig it says u dynoed 385whp...but y is the car still running low 13s...the car should easily be a mid to low 12 second car ....unless ur granny shifiting or something...lol
so can someone help me out here...cuz im not seeing a 385whp car....
Im a bit confused......in ur sig it says u dynoed 385whp...but y is the car still running low 13s...the car should easily be a mid to low 12 second car ....unless ur granny shifiting or something...lol
so can someone help me out here...cuz im not seeing a 385whp car....
You don't need to be ; 385 whp, 319.4 Tq. on DynaPack Chassis Dynamometer = approx 339whp,281 tq on Mustang Dyno, or Dyno Jet. Dynapack reads 12% higher than Mustang or Dyno Jet.
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You don't need to be ; 385 whp, 319.4 Tq. on DynaPack Chassis Dynamometer = approx 339whp,281 tq on Mustang Dyno, or Dyno Jet. Dynapack reads 12% higher than Mustang or Dyno Jet.
you should make it known that youre taking it extremely easy on the trans, thats a huge reason why the car is nowhere near as fast as it ought to be
yea, the times seems a bit on the low side, the 107 trap not so much, even though it seems as if 110+ traps are acheivable
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02 Sterling GLE- 13.84@100 2.1'
Dyno numbers and track times don't always equate. Dynos can read high or low and tons of outside factors can influence them. Don't get too hung up on them.
__________________ 95 SE - Stock 3.0L w/ USIM - T61/P-trim @ 14.5psi - 93 octane
11.76 @ 121 - 1.82 60' - ET Street DOTs
12.15 @ 123 - 1.95 60' - Nitto DR 3.5L swap with I/Y/E
12.92 @ 104 - 1.69 60' - M&H Slicks
13.60 @ 103 - 2.15 60' - Street tires
Dyno numbers and track times don't always equate. Dynos can read high or low and tons of outside factors can influence them. Don't get too hung up on them.
but 385whp or 339 with a 13.1@104 with a 1.9 60ft is way off
and y is he takin it easy on the trans..it should be able to hold the power.......
dnt get me wrong those are some got times....but i expected waaaaaaay more...i thought this car would be one of the fastest ones on this site
again ima have to agree with manny, whats the point of building a S/C 5th gen to track it but when the time comes "ima take it easy"... seems pointless... i somewhat agree with the dyno number thing, but with numbers like that i agree that it should be mid 12's... the slicks explain the low trap but not the low times
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95 White GXE- 15.1 sold... now 14.9 (car next to me in sig)
00 Sterling GXE- 15.0 (ebay intake, exhaust) my next love and beauty (crashed n sold)
02 Sterling GLE- 13.84@100 2.1'
like i said, you're overanalyzing and trying to make comparisons that aren't necessarily valid. way too many unknowns here to try to reconcile dyno numbers to track times.
__________________ 95 SE - Stock 3.0L w/ USIM - T61/P-trim @ 14.5psi - 93 octane
11.76 @ 121 - 1.82 60' - ET Street DOTs
12.15 @ 123 - 1.95 60' - Nitto DR 3.5L swap with I/Y/E
12.92 @ 104 - 1.69 60' - M&H Slicks
13.60 @ 103 - 2.15 60' - Street tires
but 385whp or 339 with a 13.1@104 with a 1.9 60ft is way off
and y is he takin it easy on the trans..it should be able to hold the power.......
dnt get me wrong those are some got times....but i expected waaaaaaay more...i thought this car would be one of the fastest ones on this site
If you re-read the initial post he said his clutch was slipping, which is why he was shifting light I assume.
Have you ever heard the term "powerband"? A 3xxhp Supercharged 3.0 doesn't have what most people consider a decent powerband. The power is INSANELY peaky, meaning that the car hits peak boost super high in the rpm's, resulting in much less area under the curve. I've seen high 300whp Supercharged maximas go neck and neck with NA 3.5's with 100whp less. Everytime the SC hits full boost, the car has to shift, and lose PSI. However, the 3.5 shifts, and its still in the meat of its powerband. If we were talking a faster spooling, well thought out turbo setup with 385whp...then I'd start asking questions.
Like Neal said, way too many factors involved here to start associating 3xxhp with track times.
If you re-read the initial post he said his clutch was slipping, which is why he was shifting light I assume.
Have you ever heard the term "powerband"? A 3xxhp Supercharged 3.0 doesn't have what most people consider a decent powerband. The power is INSANELY peaky, meaning that the car hits peak boost super high in the rpm's, resulting in much less area under the curve. I've seen high 300whp Supercharged maximas go neck and neck with NA 3.5's with 100whp less. Everytime the SC hits full boost, the car has to shift, and lose PSI. However, the 3.5 shifts, and its still in the meat of its powerband. If we were talking a faster spooling, well thought out turbo setup with 385whp...then I'd start asking questions.
Like Neal said, way too many factors involved here to start associating 3xxhp with track times.
Lol.....forget it...this is pointless....lol.....
now the excuse a slipping clutch...i give up.... ......
now the excuse a slipping clutch...i give up.... ......
I'm not giving excuses, and I do not care what you think. Nealco187, and 98MaXeDouT, explained it to you by facts, and your not listening. Writing negative comments about my car is useless, because I know what my car is capable of. And no I don't need you to wish me luck.
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now the excuse a slipping clutch...i give up.... ......
sometimes i feel the samewat man... its cool, its cool... nice times man lol
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DCMAX current mods- 4th gen intake, 2.5" custom catback, NWP block off plate, 00SE tailight w/overlays, Rewired fog lights, Eyelid, JIC coilovers, FSTB, 3.0 OBX headers, SSIM...
95 White GXE- 15.1 sold... now 14.9 (car next to me in sig)
00 Sterling GXE- 15.0 (ebay intake, exhaust) my next love and beauty (crashed n sold)
02 Sterling GLE- 13.84@100 2.1'
Dyno numbers and track times don't always equate. Dynos can read high or low and tons of outside factors can influence them. Don't get too hung up on them.
but couldnt the same be said for a 12 sec 5.5 that dynoes 280 on a dyno jet but 230 on a mustang??? it took till 280 to get in the 12's on a dynojet but 230 on a mustang... same goes for the OP, doesnt matter what other dyno reads lower, the fact is that with whatever power he makes based on a dynojet or mustang dyno or just as simple as how much power the car is making, it should be in the 12's.... i think you guys misunderstood datdude20, he's not hating on the fact that the guy had "good" times, the point he is trying to make is that everybody is congratulating on great times but it isnt based on the power he is making... a 300+whp maxima should easily be in the 12's 1st through 7th gen... i dont think he cares much because his heavier N/A 5.5 is neck and neck with a FI 5th gen
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DCMAX current mods- 4th gen intake, 2.5" custom catback, NWP block off plate, 00SE tailight w/overlays, Rewired fog lights, Eyelid, JIC coilovers, FSTB, 3.0 OBX headers, SSIM...
95 White GXE- 15.1 sold... now 14.9 (car next to me in sig)
00 Sterling GXE- 15.0 (ebay intake, exhaust) my next love and beauty (crashed n sold)
02 Sterling GLE- 13.84@100 2.1'
but couldnt the same be said for a 12 sec 5.5 that dynoes 280 on a dyno jet but 230 on a mustang??? it took till 280 to get in the 12's on a dynojet but 230 on a mustang... same goes for the OP, doesnt matter what other dyno reads lower, the fact is that with whatever power he makes based on a dynojet or mustang dyno or just as simple as how much power the car is making, it should be in the 12's.... i think you guys misunderstood datdude20, he's not hating on the fact that the guy had "good" times, the point he is trying to make is that everybody is congratulating on great times but it isnt based on the power he is making... a 300+whp maxima should easily be in the 12's 1st through 7th gen... i dont think he cares much because his heavier N/A 5.5 is neck and neck with a FI 5th gen
Again, your gross generalizations and tendency to correlate peak HP #'s directly with 1/4 mile times is severely off.
Lol.....forget it...this is pointless....lol.............
98Maxedout gave you a thorough explaination of how a S/C works on a 3.0 and why there is a major discrepency of whp #'s when comparing to say an N/A 3.5L. The powerbands are completely different. It isnt his fault you cant comprehend the explaination he gave.
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Originally Posted by 98MaXeDouT
A 3xxhp Supercharged 3.0 doesn't have what most people consider a decent powerband. The power is INSANELY peaky, meaning that the car hits peak boost super high in the rpm's, resulting in much less area under the curve. I've seen high 300whp Supercharged maximas go neck and neck with NA 3.5's with 100whp less. Everytime the SC hits full boost, the car has to shift, and lose PSI. However, the 3.5 shifts, and its still in the meat of its powerband
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Originally Posted by datdude20
now the excuse a slipping clutch...i give up........
98Maxedout wasnt giving you an excuse of a slipping clutch. He was simply trying to answer your question as why the OP might be taking it easy on the transmission, which is what you initially asked about.
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Originally Posted by datdude20
and y is he takin it easy on the trans..it should be able to hold the power....
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Originally Posted by 98MaXeDouT
If you re-read the initial post he said his clutch was slipping, which is why he was shifting light I assume.
Again, your gross generalizations and tendency to correlate peak HP #'s directly with 1/4 mile times is severely off.
o.k smarta$$ ... im not sayin because a car has 3xx.xxwhp then it should be 1x.xx ET, i understand drag and dyno are different and you cannot corelate the two... basically my point is... a 5th Gen that makes over 350whp on a dynojet should easily be in the 12's, the powerband excuse is bullshyt, most nissans are made to have good 1/4mile... what the hell could you have done so much that you shift the powerband way out of wack to have about a second slower in times with a extra 120whp... it doesnt add up in the end... i understand a slipping clutch, but dont come on here giving bogus excuses and yall are not even the OP... let him speak for himself, im not against his times, (clearly he says he has a slipping clutch) i understand lower traps due to slicks, but datdude20 has a very valid point... a 2K maxima with 350whp should be in the 12's............................ man this forum has really gone wack, i can now clearly understand why majority of the ppl left the forums, i come on here most times but man it is sad.... agin good times for the OP with a slipping clutch.... 12's to come bro
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DCMAX current mods- 4th gen intake, 2.5" custom catback, NWP block off plate, 00SE tailight w/overlays, Rewired fog lights, Eyelid, JIC coilovers, FSTB, 3.0 OBX headers, SSIM...
95 White GXE- 15.1 sold... now 14.9 (car next to me in sig)
00 Sterling GXE- 15.0 (ebay intake, exhaust) my next love and beauty (crashed n sold)
02 Sterling GLE- 13.84@100 2.1'
o.k smarta$$ ... im not sayin because a car has 3xx.xxwhp then it should be 1x.xx ET, i understand drag and dyno are different and you cannot corelate the two... basically my point is... a 5th Gen that makes over 350whp on a dynojet should easily be in the 12's, the powerband excuse is bullshyt, most nissans are made to have good 1/4mile... what the hell could you have done so much that you shift the powerband way out of wack to have about a second slower in times with a extra 120whp... it doesnt add up in the end... i understand a slipping clutch, but dont come on here giving bogus excuses and yall are not even the OP... let him speak for himself, im not against his times, (clearly he says he has a slipping clutch) i understand lower traps due to slicks, but datdude20 has a very valid point... a 2K maxima with 350whp should be in the 12's............................ man this forum has really gone wack, i can now clearly understand why majority of the ppl left the forums, i come on here most times but man it is sad.... agin good times for the OP with a slipping clutch.... 12's to come bro
Jesus christ man....you have the ability to produce valid points that is spot on with those of an under-developed, malnourished, deaf, blind, weathered piece of Granite.
o.k lets keep the thread on topic... im not going to get into it with you, seeing that you are VQ god... maybe i need to leave the max world because if i build a FI 5th gen that puts out over 350whp then i would expect it to be in the 12's and im sure if u built one you would expect it also... so with all my malnurished, blind and whatever the hell i come up with, the fact still remains, its a 12 sec car that everybody else on here is content with congratulating the below average numbers... given the slipping clutch
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DCMAX current mods- 4th gen intake, 2.5" custom catback, NWP block off plate, 00SE tailight w/overlays, Rewired fog lights, Eyelid, JIC coilovers, FSTB, 3.0 OBX headers, SSIM...
95 White GXE- 15.1 sold... now 14.9 (car next to me in sig)
00 Sterling GXE- 15.0 (ebay intake, exhaust) my next love and beauty (crashed n sold)
02 Sterling GLE- 13.84@100 2.1'
. It's time to get the sprung 6 puck, any way her is my Video clip, and the slips:
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; 385 whp, 319.4 Tq. on DynaPack Chassis Dynamometer = approx 339whp,281 tq on Mustang Dyno, or Dyno Jet. Dynapack reads 12% higher than Mustang or Dyno Jet.
yea, the times seems a bit on the low side, the 107 trap not so much, even though it seems as if 110+ traps are acheivable
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