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Well I made it out tonight to see what I could do again. This was now the second time to the track with the car (It was 75 degrees out). I ran it this time on my STOCK Probe wheels and tires (maxxis tires), they are 225/50-16, the wheels are 25lbs a piece (so no weight savings there). Anyways, it was packed tonight so I made one run and was content with that for now. First and only pass on the Probe wheels gave me this:
60' : 2.14
1/4 : 14.01
Trap: 99.77 mph
I asked about the fastest stock time and I do believe I have it now along with besting my old mph (which no one seems to have done better). Tires had 27psi in them, full interior..no tricks here. Car definitely has a 13.9 @ 100 pass in it, just need to be a little more aggressive on the stickier tires.
I told ya you could run some good times. I've been saying for years actually that you get the right driver in an 02-03 and they are 13 second cars stock. Excellent work.
__________________ 95 SE - Stock 3.0L w/ USIM - T61/P-trim @ 14.5psi - 93 octane
11.76 @ 121 - 1.82 60' - ET Street DOTs
12.15 @ 123 - 1.95 60' - Nitto DR 3.5L swap with I/Y/E
12.92 @ 104 - 1.69 60' - M&H Slicks
13.60 @ 103 - 2.15 60' - Street tires
I told ya you could run some good times. I've been saying for years actually that you get the right driver in an 02-03 and they are 13 second cars stock. Excellent work.
Coming from a guy that runs 14.2@95 in a stock 2900 lbs, 190 HP 4th gen I can see why you expect 02 guys to go 13.9. How many tenths to you think powershifting saves?
You guys 14.01 is awesome. I know a guy that went 14.21@97 in a stock 5-speed Altima.
It's very hard to do better than 2.12-2.14 on street tires.
Congrats. That is very impressive. Considering that there are a ton of 5.5 gen's with I/H/E running low 14's.
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Congrats man...when that board lit up I was like "WTF!!!!!!!" I was so pissed...lol. I think I'm gonna blow my Maxima up...lol. I had I/H/E/SSIM/Tune and the best I got was a 14.1@98-99mph...what is wrong with my car??? lol. But with a 2.1 60' you should see 13's man, I will be up there in my 5.5gen this coming tuesday if you wanna meet up. I don't want to race you though because I would probably kill myself if I got beat by a stock Maxima.
You might want to try that to see if your timing is okay. I do not know 5.5 gens too well, and I know you guys run more aggressive timing in the midrange, but your knock sensors suck too.
All 3.5 swappers should ground their knock sensors directly to the negative pole of their battery if they want uninterrupted, instant full timing all the time.
I have had several 3.5 swaps and when the car is untuned it runs rich and tends to have full timing only 50% of the time, sometimes none at all. Use GOOD GAS ONLY. I use 94 octane to be safe. 100% of the swaps I have done have had the intermittent timing power issue. This is why so many of the 3.5 swappers are dissapointed. They go from a preppy 3.0 with full on timing to a pig rich 3.5 with 15 degrees of timing WOT instead of 3.5. Nissan knock sensors suck, and they need to be dealt with.
Reset your ECU and drive it around for 200-300 miles.
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13.680@104.544 stock tires off idle 2.13 60 foot
2.022 Best 60 foot on stock tires
14.481@105.568 Best MPH
All 3.5 swappers should ground their knock sensors directly to the negative pole of their battery if they want uninterrupted, instant full timing all the time.
I have had several 3.5 swaps and when the car is untuned it runs rich and tends to have full timing only 50% of the time, sometimes none at all. Use GOOD GAS ONLY. I use 94 octane to be safe. 100% of the swaps I have done have had the intermittent timing power issue. This is why so many of the 3.5 swappers are dissapointed. They go from a preppy 3.0 with full on timing to a pig rich 3.5 with 15 degrees of timing WOT instead of 3.5. Nissan knock sensors suck, and they need to be dealt with.
Reset your ECU and drive it around for 200-300 miles.
So are you saying to do that with my knock sensor or to just reset my ECU???
Take your knock sensor off the engine block (1 bolt that takes like 20 minutes), and bolt it onto the negative pole of your battery. Then reset your ECU.
As the sticky says, you are the human knock sensor now. I would use 93 octane all the time if you do that, but doing so will get you 100% timing 100% of the time.
Maybe if your car or your wheels are heavy or your track elevation is high it is normal for you to trap only 98-99, but at least with a grounded knock sensor you will know for sure if it is your timing. If it does not change anything after 500 miles, you can put it back where it was, but I personally leave it on the battery because I race alot and I want all my timing.
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1995 SE VQ35 5-speed - untuned
13.680@104.544 stock tires off idle 2.13 60 foot
2.022 Best 60 foot on stock tires
14.481@105.568 Best MPH
Take your knock sensor off the engine block (1 bolt that takes like 20 minutes), and bolt it onto the negative pole of your battery. Then reset your ECU.
As the sticky says, you are the human knock sensor now. I would use 93 octane all the time if you do that, but doing so will get you 100% timing 100% of the time.
Maybe if your car or your wheels are heavy or your track elevation is high it is normal for you to trap only 98-99, but at least with a grounded knock sensor you will know for sure if it is your timing. If it does not change anything after 500 miles, you can put it back where it was, but I personally leave it on the battery because I race alot and I want all my timing.
It's not the elevation, because jkpgt96 races at the same track as me... I'll try that for sure though...I really need to figure something out because it just doesn't seem like it is running as good as it could. If I don't figure out something soon, I'm gonna buy tons of new parts for it.
Definately do that before dumping alot of money into it. But give it a good 200-300 miles for the ECU to reajust. It may take longer since yours is a 5.5 gen. Your instinct will tell you when the car FEELS good. You WILL know your timing is correct when it is.
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1995 SE VQ35 5-speed - untuned
13.680@104.544 stock tires off idle 2.13 60 foot
2.022 Best 60 foot on stock tires
14.481@105.568 Best MPH
Thanks for the kind words! It kind of sucks that they decided to combine two nights into one this year, but I will be back (maybe next week if I am in town) to try and make that 13 second pass.
Btw nice to finally meet you Pimpin'!
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02 Maxima -80k, 6 spd, 214whp/233wtq 5.5 gen Stock ET/Trap records? 14.01 @ 99.77mph 2.14 60ft. STOCK! And getting lower..
any suspension mod????.. cause this is almost unbelievable... congrats
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DCMAX current mods- 4th gen intake, 2.5" custom catback, NWP block off plate, 00SE tailight w/overlays, Rewired fog lights, Eyelid, JIC coilovers, FSTB, 3.0 OBX headers, SSIM...
95 White GXE- 15.1 sold... now 14.9 (car next to me in sig)
00 Sterling GXE- 15.0 (ebay intake, exhaust) my next love and beauty (crashed n sold)
02 Sterling GLE- 13.84@100 2.1'
For less then $1000 I guarentee you that car would be in the low 13's...then you could pick on your buddies IS350 and maybe even your buddy with the Stang...
any suspension mod????.. cause this is almost unbelievable... congrats
Nope, none what so ever (unless you want to call folding the mirrors in a mod, lol). I bought the car last April ('08) and have just driven it.I would love to start modding it, but I have my project for the moment. 2.14 60' is not THAT great..its good, but not great.
__________________ 96 Probe GT- 300whp n/a...450+ on bottle...2600lbs..sounds fun, huh?
02 Maxima -80k, 6 spd, 214whp/233wtq 5.5 gen Stock ET/Trap records? 14.01 @ 99.77mph 2.14 60ft. STOCK! And getting lower..
For less then $1000 I guarentee you that car would be in the low 13's...then you could pick on your buddies IS350 and maybe even your buddy with the Stang...
Yeah, I know..I probably will mod it eventually, but I have to finish the engine for the probe, then build a transmission for it..It would be fun to mod though!
__________________ 96 Probe GT- 300whp n/a...450+ on bottle...2600lbs..sounds fun, huh?
02 Maxima -80k, 6 spd, 214whp/233wtq 5.5 gen Stock ET/Trap records? 14.01 @ 99.77mph 2.14 60ft. STOCK! And getting lower..
Nope, none what so ever (unless you want to call folding the mirrors in a mod, lol). I bought the car last April ('08) and have just driven it.I would love to start modding it, but I have my project for the moment. 2.14 60' is not THAT great..its good, but not great.
i beg to differ.... in the track world maybe not... but for a stock 3300lb grocery getter with no suspension and only putting out lil over 200whp that is amazing
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DCMAX current mods- 4th gen intake, 2.5" custom catback, NWP block off plate, 00SE tailight w/overlays, Rewired fog lights, Eyelid, JIC coilovers, FSTB, 3.0 OBX headers, SSIM...
95 White GXE- 15.1 sold... now 14.9 (car next to me in sig)
00 Sterling GXE- 15.0 (ebay intake, exhaust) my next love and beauty (crashed n sold)
02 Sterling GLE- 13.84@100 2.1'
Congrats man...when that board lit up I was like "WTF!!!!!!!" I was so pissed...lol. I think I'm gonna blow my Maxima up...lol. I had I/H/E/SSIM/Tune and the best I got was a 14.1@98-99mph...what is wrong with my car??? l
Learn how to drive lol.
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I know how to drive...look at the trap speeds...now if he ran a 14.0 @ 95mph then there would be some problems but he even has higher trap speed then me...and he pulled a 2.1 60' and I pulled a 2.2....so I don't know what to tell ya
i beg to differ.... in the track world maybe not... but for a stock 3300lb grocery getter with no suspension and only putting out lil over 200whp that is amazing
Ehh..I can do better on the tires I had on last night. I wanted to make sure I didn't spin real bad seeing as I knew it was going to be my only run and since I had never launched with these tires. I have no doubt I could get a 2.0x 60' out of the car next time dropping the pressure to 22-24 psi and launching harder. But thanks for the kind words I appreciate it!
__________________ 96 Probe GT- 300whp n/a...450+ on bottle...2600lbs..sounds fun, huh?
02 Maxima -80k, 6 spd, 214whp/233wtq 5.5 gen Stock ET/Trap records? 14.01 @ 99.77mph 2.14 60ft. STOCK! And getting lower..
Ehh..I can do better on the tires I had on last night. I wanted to make sure I didn't spin real bad seeing as I knew it was going to be my only run and since I had never launched with these tires. I have no doubt I could get a 2.0x 60' out of the car next time dropping the pressure to 22-24 psi and launching harder. But thanks for the kind words I appreciate it!
IDK... seems like any more and you asking for spin city
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DCMAX current mods- 4th gen intake, 2.5" custom catback, NWP block off plate, 00SE tailight w/overlays, Rewired fog lights, Eyelid, JIC coilovers, FSTB, 3.0 OBX headers, SSIM...
95 White GXE- 15.1 sold... now 14.9 (car next to me in sig)
00 Sterling GXE- 15.0 (ebay intake, exhaust) my next love and beauty (crashed n sold)
02 Sterling GLE- 13.84@100 2.1'
I was peddling it out of the hole a good bit (though less than on the old tires) and I only left from 2200. I think that I could leave from the same rpm but peddle it a little less and see (gotta see how the tires like a few psi less air too..). I suppose the only way to know is to try..My last pass on the old tires I left from 2500 and it spun really bad, so who knows. I will find that point where I go from 2.1-2.0 to 2.5-2.6 lol.
__________________ 96 Probe GT- 300whp n/a...450+ on bottle...2600lbs..sounds fun, huh?
02 Maxima -80k, 6 spd, 214whp/233wtq 5.5 gen Stock ET/Trap records? 14.01 @ 99.77mph 2.14 60ft. STOCK! And getting lower..
Congrats. That is very impressive. Considering that there are a ton of 5.5 gen's with I/H/E running low 14's.
yea becuz that TQ is no joke off the line...u have to learn how to feather the clutch
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Congrats man...when that board lit up I was like "WTF!!!!!!!" I was so pissed...lol. I think I'm gonna blow my Maxima up...lol. I had I/H/E/SSIM/Tune and the best I got was a 14.1@98-99mph...what is wrong with my car??? lol. But with a 2.1 60' you should see 13's man, I will be up there in my 5.5gen this coming tuesday if you wanna meet up. I don't want to race you though because I would probably kill myself if I got beat by a stock Maxima.
when i ran wit those mods i ran 4 tenths quicker and trapped almost 5 mph quicker...so it might jus be u....lol..and bogged off the line...lol
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any suspension mod????.. cause this is almost unbelievable... congrats
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Originally Posted by krazy6
Learn how to drive lol.
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Originally Posted by pimpin02max
I know how to drive...look at the trap speeds...now if he ran a 14.0 @ 95mph then there would be some problems but he even has higher trap speed then me...and he pulled a 2.1 60' and I pulled a 2.2....so I don't know what to tell ya
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SHIFT_LOTS OF OIL
DCMAX current mods- 4th gen intake, 2.5" custom catback, NWP block off plate, 00SE tailight w/overlays, Rewired fog lights, Eyelid, JIC coilovers, FSTB, 3.0 OBX headers, SSIM...
95 White GXE- 15.1 sold... now 14.9 (car next to me in sig)
00 Sterling GXE- 15.0 (ebay intake, exhaust) my next love and beauty (crashed n sold)
02 Sterling GLE- 13.84@100 2.1'
Take your knock sensor off the engine block (1 bolt that takes like 20 minutes), and bolt it onto the negative pole of your battery. Then reset your ECU.
As the sticky says, you are the human knock sensor now. I would use 93 octane all the time if you do that, but doing so will get you 100% timing 100% of the time.
Maybe if your car or your wheels are heavy or your track elevation is high it is normal for you to trap only 98-99, but at least with a grounded knock sensor you will know for sure if it is your timing. If it does not change anything after 500 miles, you can put it back where it was, but I personally leave it on the battery because I race alot and I want all my timing.
Wat if ur cel comes on and off saying u have a bad knock sensor?? U change it and it still happenes
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yea becuz that TQ is no joke off the line...u have to learn how to feather the clutch
when i ran wit those mods i ran 4 tenths quicker and trapped almost 5 mph quicker...so it might jus be u....lol..and bogged off the line...lol
ITS THE DRIVER
Wow...you obviously have no idea of the relevance of MPH as opposed to actual ET when you are comparing two cars...like previously stated...I pulled a 2.2 60' my previous time at the track, so did jkpgt96 when he ran his 14.2@98. Ok...now that means that his run was almost identical with mine even the trap speed, therefore my car is not healthy somewhere because I have more mods and we trap the same...60' 99% of the time does not effect your trap which shows how much power the car is putting down as opposed to the ET which is all the driver. Now if I ran a 14.1 @ 104mph then that would be the driver because my car has good trap speed but I trapped the same as him which means it's not the driver, it's the car. See what I mean??? I did not miss any gears and I pulled a 2.2 60' so I don't see how my driving is a factor. I know my car is down on power because on a Mustang dyno my car laid down 28whp less then another 5.5gen with similar mods.
Now as for you I think you are a bad driver...with your traps you should be in the low 13's and you can't even muster a 13.5...so you don't have any excuses as to why except the driver, so I don't want to hear it bud.
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Last edited by pimpin02max; 05-06-2009 at 09:21 PM.
Lol, thanks...? The Regal S/C I raced is a friend and he couldn't believe that he had ~.5 seconds on me between the tree and the 60' and I still caught him at the 1/8th mile.
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damn factory freak with a good driver.
Freak - Yes
Good Driver - depends on who you ask, I do alright..
Pimpin' can you guys plz bicker via PM? I don't want the thread to get closed...thx
__________________ 96 Probe GT- 300whp n/a...450+ on bottle...2600lbs..sounds fun, huh?
02 Maxima -80k, 6 spd, 214whp/233wtq 5.5 gen Stock ET/Trap records? 14.01 @ 99.77mph 2.14 60ft. STOCK! And getting lower..
Awesome times man!! It must really make those I/H/E guys feel bad when even with mods they can barely break into the low 14's. Anyways, from what ive felt, id say ive driven probably 30-35 different 02-03 maximas, and honestly, sometimes they feel really sluggish. Given 95% of them are stock, but, from what i have found myself, some feel really quick, some feel normal, some feel flat out slow, like, someone just put on 22" boat anchors.
One time I got one of the other guys to run me in 2 same 05 maximas. Identical cars, base model 5 seaters, needless to say where both about 130lbs and his SPANKED the one i was driving. went from a roll and left it in drive too. I think sometimes they is a huge variation in build quality with some of those 3.5's.. Mileage is irrelevant, becuase those 2 cars had less then 500KMS, and a lot of the cars i drive the mileage is all over the place in terms of which ones feel faster then others.
On reference of build quality of certain nissan parts, look at the failure rate of the 350z/G35 manual transmissions, and for those of you who are techs at nissan, how many subframe recalls have you seen come in, go out for an alighnment and come back because they cant align it. Looks like a 6 year old welded some of them.
to keep in on track though, almost makes me want to buy a 5.5 6spd and try to break 13's stock!
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Lol, thanks...? The Regal S/C I raced is a friend and he couldn't believe that he had ~.5 seconds on me between the tree and the 60' and I still caught him at the 1/8th mile.
Freak - Yes
Good Driver - depends on who you ask, I do alright..
Pimpin' can you guys plz bicker via PM? I don't want the thread to get closed...thx
Yeah sorry about that...but anyway yeah I thought that Regal was going to beat you.
How quickly you shift can have a drastic impact on your trap speed, while hardly affecting your ET at all. One car can definitely be "faster" than another while still showing similar trap speeds simply based on how quickly one driver is shifting as compared to the other.
For instance, back in the day with my old 96, I had a buddy with a 99. I had Ypipe only and trapped a best of 96.4mph. My buddy had I/Y/E, UDP, whatever else. His best trap was 96.x and he couldn't figure out why my car trapped as fast as his, but when we raced his car would actually pull away from mine in each gear, yet my shifting was that much quicker than his which meant I made up for having less power by being "on the gas longer" resulting in similar trap speeds. His car was technically "faster" than mine, yet I always ran better ETs because of my launches and better traps because of my quicker shifting. Do not discount the effect very quick shifting can have on times.
I'm not terribly familiar with the gearing of the 6 speed, but if there is a shift going on right before/right at the line, that can affect your trap speed drastically too, while all the other numbers on the timeslip may not be affected at all. I've seen my 1/8 mile traps vary from 92 to 96mph based upon the fact that with my old powerband, I was forced to shift to 4th right around the 1/8 mile traps.
__________________ 95 SE - Stock 3.0L w/ USIM - T61/P-trim @ 14.5psi - 93 octane
11.76 @ 121 - 1.82 60' - ET Street DOTs
12.15 @ 123 - 1.95 60' - Nitto DR 3.5L swap with I/Y/E
12.92 @ 104 - 1.69 60' - M&H Slicks
13.60 @ 103 - 2.15 60' - Street tires
1st 3.153
2nd 1.944
3rd 1.392
4th 1.055
5th 0.809
6th 0.630
Reverse 3.002
Final Gear Ratio 3.812
These are the specs from the 2002 Maxima service manual.
Great times. You have me scratching my head a bit also. I have mods and my best run was a 13.85@ 101 2.23 60'. Granted this was on street tires and a stock suspension with a so so track, comparatively its not too impressive.
Jclaw- my car seems to run very well or like a dog. I always thought that it had something to do with my MAF or maybe an 02 sensor, fuel related. How would you be able to tell if the timing were the culprit for my performance?
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1st 3.153
2nd 1.944
3rd 1.392
4th 1.055
5th 0.809
6th 0.630
Reverse 3.002
Final Gear Ratio 3.812
These are the specs from the 2002 Maxima service manual.
Great times. You have me scratching my head a bit also. I have mods and my best run was a 13.85@ 101 2.23 60'. Granted this was on street tires and a stock suspension with a so so track, comparatively its not too impressive.
Thanks! I was on maxxis street tires and stock suspension as well...
__________________ 96 Probe GT- 300whp n/a...450+ on bottle...2600lbs..sounds fun, huh?
02 Maxima -80k, 6 spd, 214whp/233wtq 5.5 gen Stock ET/Trap records? 14.01 @ 99.77mph 2.14 60ft. STOCK! And getting lower..
Great times. You have me scratching my head a bit also. I have mods and my best run was a 13.85@ 101 2.23 60'. Granted this was on street tires and a stock suspension with a so so track, comparatively its not too impressive.
You definately have a good bit more in it considering your mod list. Like Nealoc was saying, your trap speed could be hugely affected by shift speed. powershifting ("no lift shifting") is the way to go if you want to see a high trap. Remember every 1/10th on your '60 foot normally equates to about 2/10ths on the ET. I went from a 14.0 with a 2.4 '60 to a 13.1 with a 1.9 '60, so it seems to hold true most of the time.
Congrats on the time, that is pretty amazing for a stock 5.5. My best stock was a 14.3@97 with a 2.25 '60 and some slowish shifting.
14.01 is awesome. I know a guy that went 14.21@97 in a stock 5-speed Altima.
I'll try that for sure though...I really need to figure something out because it just doesn't seem like it is running as good as it could. If I don't figure out something soon, I'm gonna buy tons of new parts for it.
The Regal S/C I raced is a friend and he couldn't believe that he had ~.5 seconds on me between the tree and the 60' and I still caught him at the 1/8th mile.
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