SE5spd

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so today I went to the track
I have a 97 SE 5spd
I was reading that ill be getting mid/low 15s I go out my first run was 16.80 and my last run was 16.30(best run of the day)
I was wondering if anyone knows why my 1/4 was SO SLOW!?!?!
I was at least hoping high 15s

any tips, pointers anyone know why its so bad?
I had a full tank of gas(all 18.5gallons)
me(360LBS and a passenger 200LBS)

could that be a reason ?

I just want to know why because it was REALLY bad.

JAMAICANLOVRBOY

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well for one thing, you dont have any power upgrades, intake alone will not get you in the 15 second region. you gonna need y-pipe, maybe headers, catback, with a apexi SAFC/VAFC to tune it a bit, and you should be in the 15s. now to go a step further, you can do variable intake aka 00VI, UDP if you choose, and that should take you in the low 15s to maybe high 14s with practice at the track. but the bottom line is you need more than intake to get outta the 16s
about the gas thing, you dont want to have a full tank of gas when you drag, but make sure there is a pump near by the track, and use premium gas, that might help
Dont drag with a passenger if you're trying to get best times, do that for like a fun run, then when you on your "i want my best time" run, tell your passenger to get out

321VQ35MAX

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Lose the passenger and run with a 1/4 tank of gas. And lower tire pressure for a better launch!

Maximahappy22

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If your 60' was higher than a 2.3 you need to learn how to drive your car and drop your front tires to about 20 PSI.

Also the full tank of gas and passenger dont help.

That other guy is wrong btw, if you know how to drive your car or drive at all then a 4th gen VQ is good for mid 15's stock at least.

SE5spd

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everyone keeps asking me what my 60' is why is that so important?

and I kept my tires at 50PSI(what its always at)
and for launching I was just dumping the clutch at 3000ish
and yeah theirs a gas station on the track, it goes all the way up to 116 race fuel which was $10/gal

JAMAICANLOVRBOY

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well if you read what i said, i also mentioned with time at the track. all the stuff i said to do wont neccesarily make him do 14s if he doesnt know how to drive. so please read before you jump out there talkin bout people wrong

SE5spd

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I just looked
my best 60 of the night was 2.5
why is a 60 so important?

JAMAICANLOVRBOY

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if you reach your 60' at a good time, then your 1/4 run will be better considering you dont crash or let out the gas. its basically how fast it takes you to get from the light to 60', that all depends on traction, and more technical stuff like suspension. so it took you 2.5 seconds to get to 60' after you left the light

SE5spd

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ooooo gotcha
I need to get better at my reaction time too. I was getting like 2/2.3sec times
and one time I tried jumping on the last yellow(to see if I would get a like 0sec reaction time) I got red lighted

but since im in high school at my track they have a "top the cop" program where we get to race cops with there lights on and everything

at least I beat him

he got like 17.1sec at like 75MPH lol I thought cop cars were fast.

JAMAICANLOVRBOY

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your reaction time doesnt affects your 60', or your 1/8 or 1/4 mile times since the clock doesnt start until you actually leave the light, but it looks good when you get that time lower. now say for example you're racing someone with a bit more power, thats when your reaction time will help since you get out the hole quicker, he might catch you or he might not but because you had better reaction time, he has to play catch up. well the crown victorias arent fast 4.6 V8 with i think 260hp and thats not to the wheels. the chargers area a different story though, those are pretty quick.

Maximahappy22

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Reaction time has nothing to do with you 1/4 mile time. And you should go on the last yellow, you just need practice.

A 2.5sec 60' is pretty bad and getting to a 2.3 or a 2.2 will bring you into the 15's easily

Your tires should NEVER EVER BE AT 50 PSI... If you are on stock sized tires you should not exceed 30 psi in the fronts or rears. Lo-Pro's can be in the high 30's or low 40's.

For drag racing you want your tires between 20-25 PSI and you shouldn't "dump" the clutch. Once you stage the car you should almost get the clutch to the engagement point and SLIDE it out quickly, not jolting or shocking the clutch or tranny.

ORLY? iirc Nealoc did a 14sec pass in his stock 4th gen

I was simply correcting your incorrect statement, dont get your panties in a bunch.

JAMAICANLOVRBOY

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yo, if the guy has 2.5 60', do you know how much time he will need to get low 15s on stock vq30de, if i gave him my car with the mods i have now, he will do mid 15s with the track time he has. so i made my statement based off his driving skills at the track. again, if you notice i said with practice. but look i said what i said, so whateva, i dont feel like going on about this with you

Grand_hustle17

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I kinda agree with ya but at the sametime i dont.......... dont pull nealoc's time because thats not the average... thats most likely a one time PB that you'll never see on here ever again....... now to ur defense, an intake can get him into 15's, matter of fact on average a stock 5spd 4th gen can do 15.2's-15.7s now nobody dont even know if he's got a CEL for any kind of code................ however to the OP... lower the tire pressure and 60's and believe it or not lowering your car can help your 60' (resulting helping your times)

JAMAICANLOVRBOY

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well i stand corrected i didnt know you can get 15.1 in stock 4th gen

SE5spd

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after I put my intake on a CEL came on, just havent felt like figuring out whats wrong. my tires say I should stay between 51-56PSI is that bad?

im going to the track next week without my co-driver, ill have 1/4tank and take all these into thought and see if I can get any better times

thanks for the help guys.

one_fast_max

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the 51-56 on the tire is probably for mounting them...they should never be that high under normal driving...as stated above let air out to about 30 psi. practice driving and youll get a 15.xx just fine.

also on those stock VQ30DE don't take 2nd, 3rd or 4th gear to redline...shift a bit sooner...around 5900-6100...that will also help.

SE5spd

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what should they be at normally? the PSI

kzoosho

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No neal has been pullin high 14;s in that beater all day at the track. I was there. I was also pulling low 15's in my bone stock 250k 97 with a bad ks. it can be done trust me.

one_fast_max

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30 psi for normal driving...

20-25 for racing at the track

Maximus681

i ran a 15.9 for the first time at the track and im auto and i jus have an intake... it jus takes practice bro keep practicing ur launching

Grand_hustle17

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im not saying it cant be done trust me... but when ur throwing out times to a new person to the track... just keep it to the average times... dont send his expectations flying through the roofs...

SE5spd

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I think I got way over excited because I red before I went that a stock 4th gen runs mid/low 15s and when I saw I was getting mid low 16s I got pretty bummed. but hopefully next week ill run better, ill run with only 1/4 tank(will 116 help at all for a N/A basically stock car?) 20PSI in the fronts and no co-driver
hopefully ill hit at least 15.9
should I launch at 3000? cause when I tried launching at 5000 I was hopping all threw first

thanks for all the help guys btw
you guys are great.

Grand_hustle17

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yea, like most said just work on your launch and the rest will do itself... you should be seeing mid 15's probebly low 15's.... Djmoney stock 4th gen did 15.2 stock with messed up tansmission, no 5th gear (not that he'd need it)

SE5spd

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yeah every time I went threw the finish line I was probably at like 5700-6000 in 3rd gear.

Grand_hustle17

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dont feel bad, we all have our bad days... i had a PB in my auto 00 5th gen with ebay intake and greddy exhaust, but i just recently ran an embarrasing 18.1 in my 02 5.5

SE5spd

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yeah I just feel like I did so bad

I raced a 09 civic SI and lost

after that I kind of just was depressed the rest of the day

MoncefA33

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I read that for every 6lbs of mass, it's like the car effectively loses ~1hp.

Solution: Less fuel, no passengers.

Grand_hustle17

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IDK bruh, iirc those 09 SI's are quicker than a stock 4th gen

SmokinMax02

Dont blame the car cause you suck at driving...

Grand_hustle17

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but yet i still proved to be better than u.......... remember your times in your 5th gen, and my times??? ..........

you 15.3 I/Y/E
me 15.0 I/E...... both 5th...........
you know for some reason i always wished you was at the track at the sametime to line up, idk y???

Crusher103

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probably ur driving and the actual track is "slow", some tracks have faster average times than others, for example some of the DC area times, i have noticed alot of bolt-on 4th gens running 13.8-13.7s

i have never heard of that

i have heard the 200lbs rule, for every 200lbs is like 10hp but thats for when the car is rolling. At the drag strip they say its 100lbs to 10hp due to launches, 60lbs that sounds like hondas and torque issues....

Grand_hustle17

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i do agree

SmokinMax02

K-Sport coilovers make a HUGE difference in 60fts and 1/4 mile times, especially with Max's being FWD.

Even by your own admission, they knocked off atleast 3-4 tenths easy.

So dont be ignorant.

Fact is, a set of coilovers easily puts me the 14.8-14.9 range, but you already know that, dont you?



And going faster doesnt mean you can actually drive, dummy.

Afterall, there's a good reason why you crashed that POS and its now sitting in a junkyard somewhere.

LOL

Congratulations on proving that you have no idea how to drive....

SmokinMax02

You're running 670 lbs over stock weight and you're wondering why you pulled a 16.3??

Hmmm.

Good rule of thumb, 100 lbs weight is equivalent to 5 HP.

360 lbs (your weight) + 200 lbs (passenger) = 27.5 lost HP, approximately

18.5 full tank x 6 lbs (1 gallon = 6 lbs) = 111 lbs = 5.25 lost HP, approx

Conclusion: 670 lbs extra weight is equivalent to 32.75 Crank HP lost

Also, rotational mass is another big factor.

A good rule of thumb on that is 1 pound weight per wheel/tire combo is equivalent to +/- 10 lbs curb weight.

Hope this helps!

Grand_hustle17

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i must admit, you got me with the coilover discussion lls.......... however, there is no accidents on my driving record (if they even show that)........ my girldfriend was the one that crashed my "POS" (thats not in a junkyard but is fixed and being driven by someone else)........ so my driving still remains more ultimate than yours.......... (so does my car, see sig)

Just for you

Grand_hustle17

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??? What does knowing if an accident shows on my driving record have to do with driving???

yea so i sold my K-sports because they are blown and i needed money, what you never sold anything in your life???

Lets see your car so we can compare both... (no shame in my game), guess i am ignorant, i take that as a compliment...
seems like your in you feelings a bit... lets not ***** up the OP's thread...
(no i dont consider myself as a great driver, i drive a friggin auto)
admit that my car is faster than yours, or i drive it better... dont say what your car would do if... you didnt take the time to buy the part, loss on your part... we'll never know what it does if you dont have it... beat my times then talk... what if i said well mines would be 14.5 IF... lets not estimate and talk for real... your sounding like the ignorant one "KID"

Grand_hustle17

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lets not go down that route (your showing desperation), what would be my motive for lying and to post a 15.0 timeslip, like its that great to be proud of... haha... im srry, while i post that coilovers helps times.. it doesnt means its a guranteed .3 sec off your times... c'mon young man... i just love the fact that you are comparing your car to mines when it's wrecked (says a lot about your wrecked ride) hope it boost your self esteem to look better than me when mines is wrecked... I ran at the track with all interior in... IIRC i ran 15.1 when i took the back seat out, i ran worst times with less weight.. c'mon dude, we all know track times dont work that way, just because it took aproximately .3 secs of my ride then thats a gurantee for your car... plus my comparison was between coilovers and stock, idk about springs never had em on my 5th gen... dude you keep referring to POS, yes it was a POS when it was wrecked (what car isnt) whats your point... your trying too hard just stop... point blank we have the same generation cars and i run better times with less mods period... until you put coilovers on and drop your so called .3-.4 secs then you can post.... or why not just put in your sig... 15.3 but Grand_hustle17's dropped .3 with coilovers so im 14.9 stop dude, ya suck... and why cant we see your Majestic VIP ride???

another

Grand_hustle17

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even with my car wrecked my headlight still look better than yours

until you get better times (and you have all the time in the world because i dont have mines anymore lol) you can just suck on this

Grand_hustle17

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O.k ill stop posting pics of my ride (that i dont have anymore) can you post picks of your ride (that you do still have)........ please... well in honest opinion i really dont have my timeslip anymore (really i cant find it) but datdue20 saw my times IIRC 24Kondaway... the maxima beside me (use to be mines also) saw the timeslip so yea like i said 15.0 is nothing to lie about but just because your gonna keep crying and hang yourself... i did 15.4@70mph hope that made you feel better, you got me ooooooooooooo!!!.... who says weight reduction doesnt make a difference????????????? just because i took out some cloth back seat doesnt means that im oh so faster... matter of fact i dont think i was faster period... dude chill, i can see your anger... im faster than you and thats that (weather plays a factor, track prep, 60' etc) c'mon man stop showing your noobism like that, your not making it better on yourself... as the bigger "KID" ill just drop the convo, cause u post nothing with sense... the track is open next sunday, go give it a try, you may just get lucky... or ill meet you up there and show you how to drive an auto.... Now that i remember, wasnt i the person on your thread that was giving you pointers on where to launch and shift???... i could be wrong so dont get red with steam coming from your ears lol

ill just post picks of 24K and JP's ride

Grand_hustle17

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! I just realized what you posted... i hope this weight reduction gave me great boost funniest thing on maxima.org period.... i never removed my fog lights... but just like how you're are track dumb, you are also car dumb, not all maxima's come with foglights............ hey hey, u might have a sunroof so it's less metal on the roof so you should be lighter hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa hahahahahahahahahaha!!! now thats classic